State vs. Jason Lynn Young 2-24-2012

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  • #321
I don't know. I should hope not, because what constitutes common sense is open to personal interpretation via our life experience. Not exactly reliable. I personally put it up there with the fallacy argumentum ad populum.

IMO

ETA: I don't want to derail the flow of the thread, but I didn't want to ignore the question put to me.

Sorry, guys.

*back to current testimony*

Turnadot, the judge will likely instruct the jury to do exactly that: use their common sense when considering evidence, theories, and contentions.

ETA: I have put several pattern jury instructions in the legal thread, for those interested in extra reading material. :-D
 
  • #322
IMHO, when or IF the last pros witness testimony or worth of it is mentioned in the closing by the pros, it was to show another lie JY gave in his sworn testimony in the first trial. Evidence of him being a liar and cannot be trusted to what he states that may show he did NOT commit the crime of murder against Michelle.

It is to show he lied when he said it was because of the money involved that he relinquished custody of his daughter, because all he had to do was simply sign an agreement for a one year period of visitation. MF and LF wanted in writing that they could see CY, approximately every other month, supervised visits either in MF's home or PY's home.

It's also to show that they were NOT originally persuing JY as the 'slayer,' but merely for visitation they felt they were legally due, because of their relationship with CY previously.

It was to show how far JY and his family would go to deny the F's any contact with CY.

It was to show how the Y's even went so far as returning gifts from the F's unopened.

It's part of the puzzle that spells murder.

IMHO, some are getting too hung up on every piece of dust on the story. It's the facts that MAY get JY convicted. Each item in itself doesn't say the whole story, but is placed within the puzzle, that when all the pieces are placed, spell JY is the one who quietly entered the Y's home on the nite or Nov. 2nd, or early morning hours of Nov. 3rd, 2006, and beat and strangled Michelle Young until her last breath.

That's the big picture and I think the PROS as shown the entire puzzle, piece by piece by piece, over the past few weeks, and their closing statement or argument, will put it in a package that the jury can see as a whole. A picture of premeditated murder.

JMHO
of course,
fran

I am hoping CY's therapist takes the witness stand and discusses what, in her expert opinion, was the best for CY.

JMO
 
  • #323
I wonder if the defense will recall Linda or Meredith ... as that would clear up any questions about what they were hoping would come out of the custody application. If they state that they hoped Jason would be forced to discuss the case, then that clarifies an additional reason why Jason chose to agree to shared custody.
 
  • #324
I'm not so sure ... if we include the unknown prints, uncertain testimony from the gas attendant, custody circumstances, etc, does all of that conclusively imply that Jason is guilty?

"Uncertain testimony" from the gas station attendant is putting it generously.

:)
 
  • #325
Yes, but still it was nice of you to take the time to find the link and post.
:)


Nothing to do with nice, everything to do with accuracy.
 
  • #326
Did I hear correctly on HLN that court is out for the day and the defense will start on Monday? If true, seems a waste to blow off an entire afternoon.

DT requested to wait until Monday to begin due to one of their team's family members being hospitalized yesterday or last night.
 
  • #327
I don't know.

JY's lawyers, IMO, have shown themselves to be talented, clever and intelligent. I will be very interested to see what they do come with.

Yes, they are and I think we all agree Jason lucked out.....

The one thing I like about them is that they play fair.

I hope they will continue that course......in clearing their client with the same integrity as well.

I guess you know Collins is running to be a Judge.

Do you like him, GG?
 
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  • #329
I wish posters would preface their opinions, theories, thoughts, etc. about what happened with "IMO".

IMO far too many posters are inserting their own opinions of what took place as if it is a "fact". As in: "JY went into the bedroom and he........." or "Because CY's DNA was found on the outside spigot, that means she is the one who turned the water on that night" Etc, etc.

What ever happened to the "IMO" or "IMHO" that used to be so prevalent here at websleuths? Just askin'....

Regarding the outside hose being "turned on". I am assuming the hose was turned on at the spigot, but had some sort of a "trigger device" at the end of the hose. That the water was not running full blast out of the hose. That it was "running" in a "leaking manner" because the hose trigger was not holding back all of the water under the pressure from the house spigot being left open.

I have left my hose in the open postion at the house several times. Plus have discovered the end of the hose at the trigger device to be leaking water - sometimes three days after a small grandson had visited and played outside near the hose connection. Kids do turn these spigots.

A hose that is running full blast will cause the sound of running water within a quiet house. A hose that is only "leaking" water will not cause such a sound, and can leak/run for days like that.

IMO There is absolutely no way to know how long that hose had been like that.
And the child's DNA being on the spigot for the hose does not mean that the child touched the spigot that night.

I also don't go for the theory that JY carried the child out through the door where the blood was found. Nor that he hosed the child or himself off outside.

I agree that JY did not expect the amount of blood that was produced. But I think he had to have been prepared to beat MY because he had an instrument of some type with which he did beat her about the head. And his computer research indicates him wanting to know where to hit someone in order to render them unconscious. His searches were "anatomy" "head trauma" and "black out", indicating a desire to know where or how to hit someone in a manner that will cause unconsciousness. So I think he was prepared to strike her.

I am very curious about the child having a chair in her hand along with the doll who was striking the "Mommy doll". A chair? Why a chair? What did she actually see? Because that chair represented something to her 2 1/2 year old mind.
 
  • #330
There has been NO expert testimony at this trial about blood spatter patterns surrounding prints.

You were the one that brought up Deaver
I was just pointing out his name means nothing to this case.
 
  • #331
Nothing to do with nice, everything to do with accuracy.

It was still nice though, a lot of times people will just tell someone to go
look it up themselves...

Sheesh, take the compliment....it was meant as one.:)
 
  • #332
From the link posted above regarding blood spatter ... I found the bolded portion interesting, as it does suggest that prosecutors have had agendas when prosecuting suspects.

"I was concerned about the potential of influence of prosecutors on the opinions of some SBI agents regarding the science," Cooper said in September. He said he would keep the program out of commission until he was satisfied that their work is scientific and unbiased. SBI Director Greg McLeod said that the SBI is still reviewing the bloodstain program and hasn't yet decided whether or when they will restart it.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/02/21/1003842/doubt-spatters-old-cases.html#storylink=cpy
 
  • #333
Turnadot, the judge will likely instruct the jury to do exactly that: use their common sense when considering evidence, theories, and contentions.
Hm. I still think it's a fallacy, but OK, fair enough. It's America's business, not mine.

I'm not American, just a "dumb foreigner".

IMO
:D

ETA: back to keeping this thread on track for me, dropping the common sense discussion. I'd hate for you know who to have to whip out her raygun.
 
  • #334
  • #335
Hm. OK, fair enough. It's America's business, not mine.

I'm not American, just a "dumb foreigner".

IMO
:D

One has to use common sense everyday in life, why should that stop when one enters a courtroom in "America"? ;)
 
  • #336
I wish posters would preface their opinions, theories, thoughts, etc. about what happened with "IMO".

IMO far too many posters are inserting their own opinions of what took place as if it is a "fact". As in: "JY went into the bedroom and he........." or "Because CY's DNA was found on the outside spigot, that means she is the one who turned the water on that night" Etc, etc.

What ever happened to the "IMO" or "IMHO" that used to be so prevalent here at websleuths? Just askin'....

Regarding the outside hose being "turned on". I am assuming the hose was turned on at the spigot, but had some sort of a "trigger device" at the end of the hose. That the water was not running full blast out of the hose. That it was "running" in a "leaking manner" because the hose trigger was not holding back all of the water under the pressure from the house spigot being left open.

I have left my hose in the open postion at the house several times. Plus have discovered the end of the hose at the trigger device to be leaking water - sometimes three days after a small grandson had visited and played outside near the hose connection. Kids do turn these spigots.

A hose that is running full blast will cause the sound of running water within a quiet house. A hose that is only "leaking" water will not cause such a sound, and can leak/run for days like that.

IMO There is absolutely no way to know how long that hose had been like that.
And the child's DNA being on the spigot for the hose does not mean that the child touched the spigot that night.

I also don't go for the theory that JY carried the child out through the door where the blood was found. Nor that he hosed the child or himself off outside.

I agree that JY did not expect the amount of blood that was produced. But I think he had to have been prepared to beat MY because he had an instrument of some type with which he did beat her about the head. And his computer research indicates him wanting to know where to hit someone in order to render them unconscious. His searches were "anatomy" "head trauma" and "black out", indicating a desire to know where or how to hit someone in a manner that will cause unconsciousness. So I think he was prepared to strike her.

I am very curious about the child having a chair in her hand along with the doll who was striking the "Mommy doll". A chair? Why a chair? What did she actually see? Because that chair represented something to her 2 1/2 year old mind.

BBM

Very true, just as CY's DNA on the medicine dropper does not mean she was medicated that night.

I'm curious about the chair as well. Was it a random choice or did it look most like the weapon she saw?

IMO
 
  • #337
Have the jurors been shown a photo of the fingerprint location prior to testing? I think that would lend a great deal of credence to that theory. Without seeing it, I simply cannot place any weight on a search warrant, and it does not strike me as common sense that the print must have been left during commission of the murder.

And wasn't he wearing gloves during this murder?
 
  • #338
Yes otto, you have linked those articles about the SBI many times.
The blood spatter does not seem to be huge in this case, as it was pointed out there was no testimony (SBI or CCBI) describing a print blocking spatter.

I did find it funny that Collins is hinting SBI agent Greg Tart removed the pullover from the luggage when CCBI opened it.:floorlaugh:
 
  • #339
  • #340
I wonder if the defense will recall Linda or Meredith ... as that would clear up any questions about what they were hoping would come out of the custody application. If they state that they hoped Jason would be forced to discuss the case, then that clarifies an additional reason why Jason chose to agree to shared custody.

I think the defense should call the attorney who represented Jason on the settlement agreement.
 
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