State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-7-12

[Mama-cita]

to those who went thru the first trial: did the medicine dropper forensics come into the first trial (re: pancol and dna in the syringe?)

I further wonder if there are any medical people on the current seated jury (although that didn't much matter in the Casey Anthony debacle did it ;-)

Nurse I am almost certain that it did, although I was so wrapped up in the Anthony debacle (and heartbreak) that my memory could be forsaking me!

 

[Cappuccino]

I'm also a fan of Occam's Razor, and you make good points. However, I'm also a fan of not jumping to conclusions when a man's on trial for murder - not suggesting you have, but I really know nothing about this case so I have to remain skeptical until I know more.

Plus - wouldn't Pancol say on the packet that it causes drowsiness?

 

[gracielee]

Thanks for the answers, Nurse and Mama-Cita.

I'm afraid I have more questions though - if her bloody footprints were found, surely she must have been awake after her mother was murdered?

That's why on the 911 call, when Meredith asked her, she said 'daddy deed it', mommy has boo boos all over, need a washcloth, etc.'

 

[thumbtack]

Just tuning in. Is court on break?

 

[gracielee]

I'm also a fan of Occam's Razor, and you make good points. However, I'm also a fan of not jumping to conclusions when a man's on trial for murder - not suggesting you have, but I really know nothing about this case so I have to remain skeptical until I know more.

Plus - wouldn't Pancol say on the packet that it causes drowsiness?

Why would a random killer bother to stop and read a med packet? Clean the blood off a babies feet, remove her diaper, and then drug her to sleep?

 

[Cappuccino]

That's why on the 911 call, when Meredith asked her, she said 'daddy deed it', mommy has boo boos all over, need a washcloth, etc.'

Now, that's interesting. Is there anywhere I can hear the 911 call?

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm also a fan of Occam's Razor, and you make good points. However, I'm also a fan of not jumping to conclusions when a man's on trial for murder - not suggesting you have, but I really know nothing about this case so I have to remain skeptical until I know more.

Plus - wouldn't Pancol say on the packet that it causes drowsiness?

if he is a drug rep that worked with this particular drug than he would have samples APLENTY (especially in the year that this happened... since then there have been lots of crack downs on drug companies/their drug reps... especially the free vacations they used to hand out to physicians ;-)

 

[MyBelle]

a drug rep knows all the ins and outs of what he or she is selling... they are selling the drug.. so say I am in the meeting and I ask them about the pediatric uses, etc... the rep will have an answer. If they had no idea they would not be a drug rep in my own personal experience

It was not a drug for children. It had no pediatric uses according to the testimony at the last trial.

JMO

 

[Cappuccino]

Why would a random killer bother to stop and read a med packet? Clean the blood off a babies feet, remove her diaper, and then drug her to sleep?

Anybody, random or not, who wanted to drug the child would look for anything in the house which would do the job. My point was simply that the use of Pancol doesn't infer expert knowledge - just the ability to read, and enough common sense to realise that a drug which causes drowsiness in adults will cause it more so in a toddler.

 

[Mama-cita]

Thanks for the answers, Nurse and Mama-Cita.

I'm afraid I have more questions though - if her bloody footprints were found, surely she must have been awake after her mother was murdered?

What most of us who believe Jason is guilty think is that Jason expected a soft kill and little/no mess then on his merry way. But it got very brutal and bloody for some reason. Maybe she fought back or maybe all the rage he had toward her just really came out once he was wailing on her. In any case perhaps it was noisy. Perhaps little Cassie woke up. The suggestion is that she was cleaned up, given the drug to knock her out, and the plan to get Auntie Meme over first thing in the morning was in full swing. He called Meredith several times the next morning and even had his MOM call her! All to retrieve a "printout" of a coach bag on ebay (the auction had already ended!)for an anniversary that had already passed! Also, the hose was left on, right outside the door on the sidewalk for hours. Would have been more than enough to wash away any blood evidence.

 

[MyBelle]

to those who went thru the first trial: did the medicine dropper forensics come into the first trial (re: pancol and dna in the syringe?)

I further wonder if there are any medical people on the current seated jury (although that didn't much matter in the Casey Anthony debacle did it ;-)

yes. Unknown DNA found on a dropper.

 

[nursebeeme]

It was not a drug for children. It had no pediatric uses according to the testimony at the last trial.

JMO

that does not mean that this guy didn't know what it would do to children.

I don't buy that for a second

 

[gracielee]

It was not a drug for children. It had no pediatric uses according to the testimony at the last trial.

JMO

As someone else stated, the active ingredient is the same as Dimetap, (sp?), the same drug that was given to all my children as infants, in the days before cold drugs and children became contra-indicaned, or whatever it is now days. We always had a bottle of the orange IIRC Dimetap on hand in our house.

 

[Mama-cita]

if he is a drug rep that worked with this particular drug than he would have samples APLENTY (especially in the year that this happened... since then there have been lots of crack downs on drug companies/their drug reps... especially the free vacations they used to hand out to physicians ;-)

ALso nurse, in my experience, the little samples the reps hand out don't have a lot of details on the box. One usually has to read the tiny insert inside the box!

 

[MyBelle]

Anybody, random or not, who wanted to drug the child would look for anything in the house which would do the job. My point was simply that the use of Pancol doesn't infer expert knowledge - just the ability to read, and enough common sense to realise that a drug which causes drowsiness in adults will cause it more so in a toddler.

The doll next to the body is evidence the child was not drugged the entire time she was alone with the body.

 

[Cappuccino]

if he is a drug rep that worked with this particular drug than he would have samples APLENTY (especially in the year that this happened... since then there have been lots of crack downs on drug companies/their drug reps... especially the free vacations they used to hand out to physicians ;-)

So there could have been plenty of Pancol in the house then?

 

[nursebeeme]

also: if there was pancol in a syringe that is telling... adults do not generally take oral liquid meds with a syringe

 

[Mama-cita]

Nursie and all our newbies to this trial, can't wait till y'all get to hear about Jason's penis tricks, and swallowing his lover's wedding ring, having sex on his couch with one of many lovers a few weeks before the murder and lots of other charming stuff that IS Jason Lynn Young

 

[nursebeeme]

The doll next to the body is evidence the child was not drugged the entire time she was alone with the body.

I am waiting for all the testimony... but the doll being there could also have been placed by the perp

 

[Cappuccino]

The doll next to the body is evidence the child was not drugged the entire time she was alone with the body.

Certainly, as are the child's bloody footprints. However, that doesn't mean it took a drug rep to know that Pancol would send her to sleep.