State vs Jason Lynn Young 6-10-11

[otto]

Actually, from what I've heard, murderers are at the top of the prison "food chain." That doesn't apply to child murders. Sexual predators and child molesters are at the bottom. So, it just depends on whether they view the unborn son as a "child." He will be well known though once he gets there. Everyone will recognize him.

Somehow, I don't think that a bunch of convicts are going to be sensitive about the rights of an unborn child. I suspect that Young, like Cooper and Peterson, will be viewed as someone that murdered his wife - no more, no less.

 

[otto]

Just like the Cooper case, just tiny pieces of the puzzle slowly coming together. One of the key pieces to me is the fact he checked into the hotel and his key card was recorded once, when he entered his room around 11pm. Ok, so he went outside for a smoke. Where did he spend the night???? With that said, the testimony of this store clerk starts to explain where he might have been that night. Two days after the murder she identifies him when detectives, canvassing the area, show her a picture of JY. Not only did she recognize him, SHE also offered up the fact that he was driving a white SUV. I think this witness was more focused on his behavior than anything else. If he drove off without paying, then that came out of her paycheck. Eventually the clerk and JY were face to face about the gas purchase. That was her focus.

(BBM)

It looks like police asked her if she had seen a white SUV rather than the witness volunteering that the person in the photo was driving a white SUV:

"In King, a small town about 120 miles from Raleigh, Gracie Bailey Dahms, a clerk at Four Brothers Food Store.

Dahms testified today that two Wake County investigators came to the store and asked her whether she had seen a white SUV while working the third shift on Nov. 2 and 3.

Dahms testified Friday that she, indeed, had seen a white SUV pull up to one of the store’s gas pumps between 5 a.m. and 5:30 a.m. on Nov. 3."

http://greenbugs.net/judge-allows-store-clerks-testimony-in-youngs-murder-trial.htm

 

[Just the Fax]

This is a reporter's account from the suppression hearing.
The trial testimony stated they asked what type of vehicle he was driving, after she identified his photo. Regardless, she remembered his face and the fact he was driving a white SUV when it still very fresh on her mind.

 

[otto]

33 minutes: http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9714910/#/vid9714910

Police asked her if she had seen a white SUV, so she did not volunteer that information.

43 minutes: She said that the customer had a little bit of hair but couldn't remember hair color. Regarding height, she said he was just a little bit taller than 5'. There was no elevated floor behind the counter so she was not standing higher than the customer. She said that the customer was wearing jeans. She doesn't remember any of the other many customers in the store at the same time.

I still don't think this is a strong witness, especially since the person she described had a little bit of hair and is just a little taller than 5 feet.

 

[otto]

This is a reporter's account from the suppression hearing.
The trial testimony stated they asked what type of vehicle he was driving, after she identified his photo. Regardless, she remembered his face and the fact he was driving a white SUV when it still very fresh on her mind.

The prosecutor asked her what police officers asked her when they first questioned her. She said: "they asked me if I seen a white SUV". (33 minutes in the video).

This is not a "regardless" fact. What happened is that police asked her if she saw a white SUV and they showed her a picture of Jason. She said yes to both. When asked to describe Jason, she gave the wrong facts ... facts that do not describe Jason. What is fresh in her mind is that some five foot tall guy cussed at her because she wouldn't turn the pumps on without prepayment.

 

[Just the Fax]

33 minutes: http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9714910/#/vid9714910

Police asked her if she had seen a white SUV, so she did not volunteer that information.

43 minutes: She said that the customer had a little bit of hair but couldn't remember hair color. Regarding height, she said he was just a little bit taller than 5'. There was no elevated floor behind the counter so she was not standing higher than the customer. She said that the customer was wearing jeans. She doesn't remember any of the other many customers in the store at the same time.

I still don't think this is a strong witness, especially since the person she described had a little bit of hair and is just a little taller than 5 feet.

The detective said they showed the pictures first and then what what vehicle she was driving....she volunteered white SUV....this came from his notes at the time.
Gracey was asked 4 1/2 years later....I thougt she did very well, considering the time lapse.
Bottom line is , she identified JLY and his white SUV 2 days after the murder.
Spivey will later testify she told him he was "tall, had blondish hair and wore blue jeans".

 

[otto]

The detective said they showed the pictures first and then what what vehicle she was driving....she volunteered white SUV....this came from his notes at the time.
Gracey was asked 4 1/2 years later....I thougt she did very well, considering the time lapse.
Bottom line is , she identified JLY and his white SUV 2 days after the murder.
Spivey will later testify she told him he was "tall, had blondish hair and wore blue jeans".

If that's the case, then there's a contradiction between what the witness testified and what police will claim was said. We know that police were very interested in arresting Jason and that they became personally involved in the case (that should not have happened). It's possible that they were mistaken and thought the witness mentioned the SUV first, but the witness has testified that police brought up the white SUV.

Are you convinced that when witness testimony contradicts police notes, the jury will consider the witness testimony as reliable or significant?

 

[Madeleine74]

There was more than 1 interview with Gracie. Spivey will be able to say what Gracie said a couple days after the murder when she was interviewed and described the man she saw and the vehicle she saw. The jury will decide if her memory was better then, around Nov 5 2006 or 4.5 yrs later, on the stand and if she is credible or not and they will determine the weight, if any, to give her testimony. What we here on WS think about her testimony is irrelevant. It's all up to the jury.

 

[Just the Fax]

otto, for me, she identified his face and vehicle 2 days after the murder.
The defense never had a problem with her testimony about seeing the white SUV.
If they felt there was something untruthful or misleading about the vehicle testimony, they sure missed a good chance to point that out on cross. Bottom line is this jury knows Gracie is sure she saw JLY and his white SUV at her place of business.

 

[otto]

There was more than 1 interview with Gracie. Spivey will be able to say what Gracie said a couple days after the murder when she was interviewed and described the man she saw and the vehicle she saw. The jury will decide if her memory was better then, around Nov 5 2006 or 4.5 yrs later, on the stand and if she is credible or not.

So you're suggesting that the jury will take the word of police over the witness testimony? The witness has no reason to give incorrect facts, but the police really need the customer she described to be Jason. I'm having a really hard time believing a jury will take the witness testimony seriously since she described the customer as being just a little taller than 5 feet.

 

[otto]

otto, for me, she identified his face and vehicle 2 days after the murder.
The defense never had a problem with her testimony about seeing the white SUV.
If they felt there was something untruthful or misleading about the vehicle testimony, they sure missed a good chance to point that out on cross. Bottom line is this jury knows Gracie is sure she saw JLY and his white SUV at her place of business.

I see it a little differently. I see her as being sure that some 5' tall guy "cussed her out" because she required prepayment. I'm sure there were plenty of white SUVs going through the gas station on a daily basis.

 

[Just the Fax]

Ok, you see it differently.

 

[otto]

Ok, you see it differently.

I do. I think the absence of keycard use is far more significant in terms of evidence.

I still don't fully understand the prosecution theory about the door either. The door was propped open at some point and discovered sometime around 5:30. The door was closed and the camera was plugged in. Around 6:15, the camera was pointed at the ceiling. If the doors were locked 24 hours and only accessible with a employee key, then I think we can assume Jason didn't enter the hotel through that side door. If he was coming down the stairs, why would he point the camera to the ceiling, as he would not need to disguise or hide the fact that he was in the hotel. Is it assumed that someone else left the building via the side door at 6:15 and Jason was hovering outside the door waiting for someone to open it, then he sneaked in and then he turned the camera to the ceiling? Again, why would he need to do that? Isn't it plausible that he had to run out to the car to do something and was returning to get breakfast?

 

[jilly]

Probably because he is white. Race is a big issue in prison.

hdear: That never even occurred to me! Interesting..... I think I feel better now with him getting Life!
Thanks for responding!

 

[Just the Fax]

I do. I think the absence of keycard use is far more significant in terms of evidence.

I still don't fully understand the prosecution theory about the door either. The door was propped open at some point and discovered sometime around 5:30. The door was closed and the camera was plugged in. Around 6:15, the camera was pointed at the ceiling. If the doors were locked 24 hours and only accessible with a employee key, then I think we can assume Jason didn't enter the hotel through that side door. If he was coming down the stairs, why would he point the camera to the ceiling, as he would not need to disguise or hide the fact that he was in the hotel. Is it assumed that someone else left the building via the side door at 6:15 and Jason was hovering outside the door waiting for someone to open it, then he sneaked in and then he turned the camera to the ceiling? Again, why would he need to do that? Isn't it plausible that he had to run out to the car to do something and was returning to get breakfast?

Sorry, not following you.
My assumption is JY got back in the hotel around 6:10AM(arrived from King NC) and turned the camera up (from behind) so he could then slip up the west stairs undetected. It is not a stretch to assume he reentered the west exit door as another guest was either coming in or out.

 

[otto]

Sorry, not following you.
My assumption is JY got back in the hotel around 6:10AM(arrived from King NC) and turned the camera up (from behind) so he could then slip up the west stairs undetected. It is not a stretch to assume he reentered the west exit door as another guest was either coming in or out.

So he tried to enter a door that was always locked and completely lucked out because another guest was leaving at just the moment that he wanted to enter. He then turned the camera to the ceiling ... but why? Since he had every reason to be in the hotel, what difference would it make if he was seen in the hotel?

 

[Just the Fax]

So he tried to enter a door that was always locked and completely lucked out because another guest was leaving at just the moment that he wanted to enter. He then turned the camera to the ceiling ... but why? Since he had every reason to be in the hotel, what difference would it make if he was seen in the hotel?

Yep, guess he lucked out and got a free pass back in.

If he had every reason to be at the hotel that am (and he did), he would be seen on video coming downstairs that am. No such video exists and JLY knew that would be the case....hence his need to turn the stairwell camera away from catching his return to his room (to change into business attire, get his luggage and the receipt from the room).

 

[Zamboni]

He then turned the camera to the ceiling ... but why? Since he had every reason to be in the hotel, what difference would it make if he was seen in the hotel?

If one's alibi is that one was staying at a hotel, having a record of coming and going kind of blows that alibi, does it not? That is why he would turn the camera.

Also, I have had 100% success rate getting through "public" doors in hotels without my key card. I've never had to wait even 5 minutes for someone to come along and hold the door open for me. I can think of more than half a dozen times when I've either gotten to the locked hotel pool door without a key or accidentally locked myself out of the building (running out to the car to get something, and not thinking I'll need the key to get back in the building. Why would I take the key if my spouse is right there in our room?) Yes, you think I'd learn and take my key, but what I've learned is that people in the South are polite and will let me through just about any door with barely a glance my direction.

Also, I just listened to the 911 call. Thank you for the link. I cranked up the sound and caught what CY said on the first run through. I have a daughter with similar speech, so I guess I'm used to listening to toddler speak and it is clear as a bell to me. Holy moly. Poor child.

 

[lib's mom]

Probably because he is white. Race is a big issue in prison.

ncsu95 is correct. Let me be clear about the little bit about NC prisons that I know and why I'm drawing this conclusion. I have one friend retired from **** Correctional, one that started at **** Correctional and transferred to ******* where he is currently working and one who has been at ******** for many years (so that's three, not two, I'm rocking the math skillz!). Jason being white will make things difficult right off the bat (black inmates controlled the courts, but would allow a few whites to play, but I think "admittance rates" were fairly stringement. Also, right off the bat, he's new, and they are gonna mess with him. I think they're are pretty understanding about wife killers, but I think they will be very upset that she was pregnant and sleeping when he killed her. I think they will be *extremely* upset that he did it with a two year old in the house and left her with her dead mother to walk around in her blood. And I think the thing that will cause him to have a really, really hard time is that he is an entitled, weak, mama's boy. They'll figure that out immediately and Jason will have a hard, hard, time. I took the names of the prisons my friends work at out bc I wasn't sure who might read here, but they're in the central/Sandhills part of the state. There are only my guesses so take them for what they're worth (probably not much.) He will have a hard time because he is a white, cowardly, weak mama's boy who put his own child with her dead mother. He'll be lucky to be allowed to sit on the picnic table and watch basketball.

O/T I have a uncle who spent a few years in a federal prision in NC. He is white and the only trouble he ever had was when he decided to begin editing the Bible by tearing out the pages he didn't like. Another inmate did not care this editing process, took great exception, and broke my uncle's collarbone to express his displeasure. My uncle no longer pursued his editing hobbies. So there you go.

 

[Madeleine74]

Do inmates know the details of other inmate's crimes? Do they pay attention to that stuff? I don't imagine many inmates sitting there reading the newspaper and they don't have computer access.