State vs Jason Lynn Young 6-17-11

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  • #201
The question of why so many apparently intelligent, gentle, sincere, genuine women could fall for Jason is interesting. I think it started at home. Jason's father died when he was about 9 years old. I think Jason's family was his mom and two sisters and I think his emotional development was formed primarily through those relationships.
A neighbor, a colleague of Jason's mom (a teacher), took on the partial role of raising Jason and his mother remarried at some point.

I suspect that Jason was a frail looking child, as he is a frail looking man. In fact, he looks like the kind of kid that would be dumped head first into the garbage can during class change. He probably thought head first in the garbage was someone else's idea of a prank, so he joined in with the pranks - although by all accounts it sounds like he didn't really get it. When is it a prank to urinate on the carpet at a social event - but it has been described as a prank, a dare.

I doubt the women he met at that particular party were thinking he was hot. I think Jason used his "emotional intelligence" with women (something he learned at home) to get into women's heads - manipulate them.

Screen capture from the email Oct 24:

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He says he wants to talk about his feelings and have them validated. Women like to have their feelings validated, men seem to get over things, like their feelings, quickly. He talks like a woman to get into the heads of women and then seduces them. He accused Michelle of not validating his feelings, and then tells her that because there's something wrong with her, she should see a counsellor. He'll join her at counselling only after she has dealt with her problems. Highly manipulative. It's too bad he couldn't make that work in his career - he could have been very successful as a fast talker.

I commend the fiance that left shortly after she was back home and no longer reliant on Jason (the Texas trip). My heart broke to hear from the woman that first met Jason at the age of 6 or 7. Her parents and two older sisters all trusted him, why shouldn't she. I'm sure she had a childhood crush on him, but I don't think she imagined it in the way it happened ... on a couch with marker on her face while she is sleeping on the couch, and the second night again on the couch but this time she had sex. Because she was so distraught and because it took her so long to tell her husband, I suspect her marriage is over - she used the phrase "lost everything". She was very manipulated and kept a secret with him until she was forced to reveal it in court. She and her sisters continued contact until forbidden by their father. The ring story, which her husband new nothing about for the last three years, recently learned that the wedding ring he gave his wife to symbolize so many things had been in Jason's schittz.

Jason abused women but treated it like a joke - marker on her face when she's there for a conference? His "pranks" around women are abusive to women, but he talks about his feelings and dreams like a woman.
 
  • #202
I have a question: after Jason pretended to swallow the rings, when CAS (whom Jason met as a kayak instructor at CAS's summer camp) was sitting at the dinner table with the family, what did Michelle do? CA said that she didn't get the rings back until the next day around 3.

What was the conversation about? She said that Jason wanted to look at her ring and she either took it off and gave it to him or she didn't remember. Something came up in the conversation about wedding rings ... was Jason looking at the ring value? ... comparing rings? ... acting like an older brother wanting to see what her husband spent? ... did Michelle ask to see the ring? ... and what did Michelle do when she realized her husband had taken (swallowed?) the wedding ring of a younger female family friend that was visiting them in connection with a conference?

Does anyone know the rest of this particular story?
 
  • #203


I love this line from his "dream" email to GC:

"I sometimes imagine that our paths will cross again....as old people, in a different life, in heaven, or however you want to think of it"


He was partially right...he just left out in superior court during my murder trial.
 
  • #204
I love this line from his "dream" email to GC:

"I sometimes imagine that our paths will cross again....as old people, in a different life, in heaven, or however you want to think of it"


He was partially right...he just left out in superior court during my murder trial.

He romanticizes to get into a woman's head ... talking about heaven, being old together, living a different life, but at the same time he strikes me as a vulture.
 
  • #205
Wow. What an eventful day. I am shocked that newspaper boy isn't testifying, I suppose it may not have been concrete enough and with 2 half -bass eye witnesses it may have made Gracie seem more of a longshot. By keeping her the only eye witness, I can only assume it made her a stronger I'd. It may have seemed (to the jury) that BH was stretching it and didn't have enough evidence without putting these ppl on. By just keeping her, it strengthened the rest, and radiated confidence about Gracie undoubtedly identifying scum boy, IMO.
 
  • #206
Wow. What an eventful day. I am shocked that newspaper boy isn't testifying, I suppose it may not have been concrete enough and with 2 half -bass eye witnesses it may have made Gracie seem more of a longshot. By keeping her the only eye witness, I can only assume it made her a stronger I'd. It may have seemed (to the jury) that BH was stretching it and didn't have enough evidence without putting these ppl on. By just keeping her, it strengthened the rest, and radiated confidence about Gracie undoubtedly identifying scum boy, IMO.

IIRC the newspaper guy said, within a day or two of the murder, that he was on the road in front of the house between 4 and 4:30 in the morning and he saw all the lights on. That has since been questioned in terms of whether he was talking about the yard lights, the house lights, or the garage lights. The color of the vehicle was also in question, if I recall right. I think it might have been a grey/gray vehicle and he wasn't sure. When I first read the article, I thought it said the house lights.

Gracie was sweet and well intentioned. Police did not give her an opportunity to pick Jason Young out of a line-up, but she could well have picked him out of a 6 photo line-up. She said that police first mentioned the white SUV. Still, juries do seem inclined to give the prosecution the benefit of the doubt, so I suspect that Gracie's testimony was considered credible even though it is eye-witness testimony (which is generally weak evidence).
 
  • #207
Those emails make me nauseous. What a pathological liar - doing something (well, someONE!) behind her back yet on Michelle's case to get help for her own "issues". It's the deceptiveness that really makes my skin crawl.

Yes, all the belittling he does to her, knowing she is trying to make it work, probably just makes a twisted part of him smile. Who wants to go running home to her mother & say, "Well, Mom, it just didn't work. I was an idiot, and I failed." Of course her mom was hoping to hear it, but MY was still trying, but the light and sparkle were draining out of her -- only CY made her happy at that house.

I am beginning to see & feel the pure hate he had for her. By now, she had the better job, had gotten a good promotion, and was well-liked and respected by her peers & her boss at a well-paying stable company.

And Mr. Best AA was beginning to fail in his work. All he wanted was to get laid, somewhere to sleep and to go to ball games and get drunk -- the 17 year-old emerges and stays out. And she knew it.

Yep, MM and JY were a matched set. He was too stupid so see what a winner he had, and he needs to pay with the rest of his life.
 
  • #208
So Linda visited in October, was going to Disneyland - marked in Michelle's day planner - in November, they were getting together for Thanksgiving and Christmas, and Jason was having a tantrum and threatening to spend time with his family if Michelle didn't reduce the time she spent with her family? Four or three nights was all he would allow per month, but Michelle was proposing 3 nights per week while her mom commuted from a place on the beach to help with the children. Her mom was willing to turn her world upside down, move to NC and look after the children 3 days a week so Michelle could keep her salary and benefits ... and Jason interfered - even though he did not even have a job.

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  • #209
Yes, all the belittling he does to her, knowing she is trying to make it work, probably just makes a twisted part of him smile. Who wants to go running home to her mother & say, "Well, Mom, it just didn't work. I was an idiot, and I failed." Of course her mom was hoping to hear it, but MY was still trying, but the light and sparkle were draining out of her -- only CY made her happy at that house.

I am beginning to see & feel the pure hate he had for her. By now, she had the better job, had gotten a good promotion, and was well-liked and respected by her peers & her boss at a well-paying stable company.

And Mr. Best AA was beginning to fail in his work. All he wanted was to get laid, somewhere to sleep and to go to ball games and get drunk -- the 17 year-old emerges and stays out. And she knew it.

Yep, MM and JY were a matched set. He was too stupid so see what a winner he had, and he needs to pay with the rest of his life.

She was a valued employee, as we have heard, and the company was willing to work with her proposed modified schedule, with her mother as a childcare assistant, until she her newborn was on his feet so to speak.

So ... did Jason really come across a bad vehicle accident where he held someone's hand until that man died, and did this happen a couple of days after Jason drove Michelle and his car into the river ... causing the death of a different son - the one conceived just before Rylan? I don't believe that happened - that Jason came across an accident, but that is something he included in the email to the teacher fiance ... or am I mistaken. Did it happen? Is there an accident report?

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What do we know about the boating incident ... I suppose that's way behind the newspaper guy and river drive ... in terms of relevant court testimony.

I'm surprised Jason didn't mention to his ex-fiance, in his dream letter, that it was fortunate that his daughter was left at his mom's house just before he and Michelle had their morning coffee in the river ... and what about whether he asked her to check in the back for something and whether she was buckled in when he aimed for the shallow river ... never mind ... Jeanie Goins was named in court as the woman that told Michelle's family to support Jason or risk losing access to Michelle's daughter. If she is an instructor of social work, who threatened a family with losing all access to a grandchild unless they publicly supported the person they suspected of murdering the child's mother, well hey, she aught to be accountable.
 
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He was partially right...he just left out in superior court during my murder trial.

Ha! Thanks for my first laugh of the day.
 
  • #212
IIRC the newspaper guy said, within a day or two of the murder, that he was on the road in front of the house between 4 and 4:30 in the morning and he saw all the lights on. That has since been questioned in terms of whether he was talking about the yard lights, the house lights, or the garage lights. The color of the vehicle was also in question, if I recall right. I think it might have been a grey/gray vehicle and he wasn't sure. When I first read the article, I thought it said the house lights.

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Actually, he said "light colored SUV" and yes, ALL the lights were on in the house (not just post lights) at the time he drove by. As expected, JLY turned them off before he departed.

There are many reasons he was not called. Perhaps they could not locate him 4 1/2 years later? They may have determined he would not make a good witness because of things in his background? He was apparently very vague on his time-line and thus, could cast reasonable doubt on the state's theory all together.

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  • #213
I am assuming that MY's therapist had little or nothing spectacular that would contribute to the case.
 
  • #214
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This is total BS. Jay first tried to kill Michelle May 2006 in the French Broad River. Now he wants her to think the very next week he comforted a dying man. He was talking with his penix again to try to lure in a sympathetic girl.

"First responder"....."brutally disturbing"....."These things changed my life profoundly"


OMG Jay, please excuse me while I :anguish:
 
  • #215
"I AM DONE", says JLY to his friend on 10-12-06.
 
  • #216
I get the impression that it didn't matter what Michelle did, Jason was going to find fault or find a way to make it not work.

I don't know about that.
Betcha if she engaged him daily with his perverted sexual needs, she may well be alive today.
 
  • #217
Talk about not deserving --JY and his mama didn't deserve to take out her garbage. She's top shelf; a don't-mess-with-me lawyer. Oooh, she prolly cost them a-plenty! She's with the firm he hired just after MY's murder.

With that being said - don't you just wonder why Alice didn't stick up for Jason like she stuck up for Nancy Cooper and the Rentz's ? Kinda figure her "gut" said don't do it for Cassidy's sake - or maybe she just got to see the hatefulness first hand coming from Brevard.
 
  • #218
Thanks to those who posted the email links. He is sickening.

I have been thinking yesterday, though, about LF. I feel terribly sorry for her and her loss of MY, her isolation for so long from CY, and all of the associated terrible things she has gone through. No one should ever have to go through what she has been through. But, after listening to the testimony she gave and reading the emails, I think she meant well but I also think she was controlling and she did lack appropriate boundaries with her daughter's family. I am definitely NOT saying that this should have led to her son-in-law murdering her daughter; what a terrible outcome. But, there is no reason that JY should not have been able to have some holidays at his family's house with CY and MY but without her. She should not have tried to invite herself, and I think she still just can't understand that.

It seems like she stayed there a month in summer (July/Aug time frame), a couple of weeks in Oct, taking everyone to Disney in Nov (a week?), then again wants Thanksgiving, then I see two weeks proposed for December? This is everyday, waking up to see her, having nearly every dinner with her, and I think it's pretty well established that they didn't get along swimmingly. It is too much.

I love my family but for me, and for many people, it is still STRESSFUL to have family visit, especially for more than a few days at a time. So, as much as I hate to say it, on this one tiny point I can see his perspective. Otherwise he still make me want to vomit, and I hope they lock him up forever.
 
  • #219
With that being said - don't you just wonder why Alice didn't stick up for Jason like she stuck up for Nancy Cooper and the Rentz's ? Kinda figure her "gut" said don't do it for Cassidy's sake - or maybe she just got to see the hatefulness first hand coming from Brevard.

I know we've been asked to not taked about the Cooper case over her, but I did want to respond to this. I do think that Stubbs was acting in her client's best interest (IMO this was in Cassidy's best interest as well). She had just seen what happened to Cooper when he testified in that child custody hearing. Her questions to him were fair game and she knew opposing counsel could/would ask those same probing questions in this case. And that the eyes of law enforcement would be all over it.
 
  • #220
The jury will not know anything about "Daddy did it" on 911 call.
The transcript shows "inaudible" for CY's background words (this was stated in court at the end of part 2 of MF's testimony).

Listen to MF's testimony again (part 3), and you will hear that the 911 tape goes silent when the operator is connecting to WCSO. This was the part CY clearly said "daddy did it".
 
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