State vs Jason Lynn Young 6-23-11

[gritguy]

Jury is worried about their privacy. Judge is addressing this now. Jurors will not be "released" from their jury duty until they arrive at home or their intended destination after their verdict. They are not to be photographed by the media. Media cannot contact them until they are home and they have the right to their privacy and do not have to speak to anyone at any time.

Judge said he will not permit jurors to be harassed or anything else because of their public service and he has the means to deal with this if necessary!

(bet some of this is coming from that last case in which terrible things were said about the jurors who didn't give the verdict some people wanted).

There were certainly disgusting comments made on other blogs and things like twitter with loons posting ignorant or threatening statements. I don't think that would be repeated in this case, or at least so I hope.

 

[Madeleine74]

GritGuy,

What do you think the verdict will be (based on what you've seen of the evidence in this case)?

 

[WolfpackWoman]

I'm kind of surprised the jury hasn't asked to see any of the evidence yet.

 

[iucpa]

Has the jury asked for anything yet?

 

[raisincharlie]

No moolah, no testify?

Could be, but my money is on other reasons...

 

[gritguy]

GritGuy,

What do you think the verdict will be (based on what you've seen of the evidence in this case)?

The only thing I've really watched so far was about an hour of direct yesterday - only a bit of other testimony. The rest I've gleaned from here. And I am HIGHLY opinionated on this subject. I not only think the guy is guilty, I think he (and at least one other in his family) is perhaps the most disgusting person I've seen open a mouth to spew a lie. So, I can't well get outside of that box to consider a verdict other than guilty.

I do take the defense has put forth some reasonable points - gaps in the case evidence, contradictory evidence (DNA, eyewitness stuff). So, it gets back down to that well-worn discussion had before about the "totality" of the thing. Without the clear smoking gun, what do these people (jury) choose to believe based on analysis and gut feelings and the evidence can justify guilty or a reasonable doubt. I have high hopes that the picture is clear enough what this guy was up to.

He wanted freedom and money. And to him, women (perhaps men too) were objects to satisfy desire - not people of individual merit. Well, if it's an object standing between a lot of money (insurance he hoped to get and the full use of his income) and the ability to cat about without restriction, you knock the object out of the way.

He never cared his wife was dead. He never cared about justice for her. He never lifted a finger to do anything to solve the case of the brutal murder of the woman he loved, and his coming son. Never. Because he did it, and he thought stonewalling was his best friend (besides his mother). His e-mails to his sister indicated no grief, only the strong belief that over time, all would forget.

I do want to forget JY. But, I want my last memory of him to be the back of his head being escorted to jail by the sheriff, whereupon he will reside in captivity until his freedomless life finally ends.

 

[gracielee]

The only thing I've really watched so far was about an hour of direct yesterday - only a bit of other testimony. The rest I've gleaned from here. And I am HIGHLY opinionated on this subject. I not only think the guy is guilty, I think he (and at least one other in his family) is perhaps the most disgusting person I've seen open a mouth to spew a lie. So, I can't well get outside of that box to consider a verdict other than guilty.

I do take the defense has put forth some reasonable points - gaps in the case evidence, contradictory evidence (DNA, eyewitness stuff). So, it gets back down to that well-worn discussion had before about the "totality" of the thing. Without the clear smoking gun, what do these people (jury) choose to believe based on analysis and gut feelings and the evidence can justify guilty or a reasonable doubt. I have high hopes that the picture is clear enough what this guy was up to.

He wanted freedom and money. And to him, women (perhaps men too) were objects to satisfy desire - not people of individual merit. Well, if it's an object standing between a lot of money (insurance he hoped to get and the full use of his income) and the ability to cat about without restriction, you knock the object out of the way.

He never cared his wife was dead. He never cared about justice for her. He never lifted a finger to do anything to solve the case of the brutal murder of the woman he loved, and his coming son. Never. Because he did it, and he thought stonewalling was his best friend (besides his mother). His e-mails to his sister indicated no grief, only the strong belief that over time, all would forget.

I do want to forget JY. But, I want my last memory of him to be the back of his head being escorted to jail by the sheriff, whereupon he will reside in captivity until his freedomless life finally ends.

IMO, this bears repeating. Well stated, gritguy. Simply want this disgusting to disappear from the face of the earth. Let mommy dearest visit him in the big house from this day forth. Someone earlier mentioned 'Wake Co. juries like to put these types away and/or future appeals will pan out. As far as I'm aware, I can't think of any Wake Co., or for that matter NC case of spouse killers that have been reversed on appeal. Anybody come up with some of the more famous 'spouse-killer' defendants winning appeals? The only somewhat famous case changed on appeal that I recall was Timothy Hennis. Thank goodness that one has finally been rectified. Hope he never sees the light of day again, maybe a bit of prison justice for him. :maddening:

 

[gracielee]

My husband said 'Crabapple ( David Crabtree ), said the jury went home for the day.' Anybody else hear this, or is hubby's senility increasing again?

 

[Skittles]

My husband said 'Crabapple ( David Crabtree ), said the jury went home for the day.' Anybody else hear this, or is hubby's senility increasing again?

Yes, just checked WRAL on TiVo--the jury has gone home.

 

[Boodles]

I wonder if JY would have spoken to LE had his pals not called to advise him that he needed to stay quiet and speak to an attorney. That could have made such a huge difference. (And BTW, to me, that's an overly loyal friend. I would have cared more about truth than making sure my pal covered his butt.)

 

[raisincharlie]

WRAL twitter says jury asked for a board or something they could write on before leaving for the day.

 

[RaleighNC]

I wonder if JY would have spoken to LE had his pals not called to advise him that he needed to stay quiet and speak to an attorney. That could have made such a huge difference. (And BTW, to me, that's an overly loyal friend. I would have cared more about truth than making sure my pal covered his butt.)

Or.... that's a friend, that, based on the volatile relationship they had witnessed along with Jason's affairs and potentially saying he was "done", had a suspicion that he was gonna NEED a lawyer.

I think his friend had an inkling - thus - he made the suggestion.

Weird, I know - as I find it an awkward piece of advice to disseminate - but I can see how it could happen.

 

[gracielee]

WRAL twitter says jury asked for a board or something they could write on before leaving for the day.

I didn't realize jury rooms weren't equipped with basic supplies, board, markers, etc. I'm old, I still remember the old-fashioned chalk boards. :great:

 

[gritguy]

I wonder if JY would have spoken to LE had his pals not called to advise him that he needed to stay quiet and speak to an attorney. That could have made such a huge difference. (And BTW, to me, that's an overly loyal friend. I would have cared more about truth than making sure my pal covered his butt.)

No (IMO). He made that decision before he even killed his wife. He claimed the whole friend thing as justification for having absolutely no helpful communication with law enforcement. If he were merely concerned about protecting himself, he could have had a meeting with them with his attorney - and pressed them on what their other leads were. He didn't talk because he was trying to get away with the crime.

They were "mean" to his mother? Give me a break. Of course they said he'd "better" get back there - his wife was in a pool of blood, his daughter without parents!!

I sat in a police office in an NC city once while the captain tried to convince parents of a young NC woman to come home now from their vacation. He did not want to tell them she had been murdered. He was firmly trying to communicate the urgency. They stood fast until he had to tell them why. It was not a pleasant conversation. He held the young woman's driver's license while he talked to them and when he finished we sat there and looked at it. Her murdered body was outside, still in the trunk of the car, waiting for transport. He - we - were sad, angry.

They came back and immediately spoke with police. Like anyone would if they had been out of town when a horrible tragedy hit their family. They did not dwell on the alleged courtesy of the call. No innocent person truly in another state at the time of the crime would.

 

[gracielee]

Or.... that's a friend, that, based on the volatile relationship they had witnessed along with Jason's affairs and potentially saying he was "done", had a suspicion that he was gonna NEED a lawyer.

I think his friend had an inkling - thus - he made the suggestion.

Weird, I know - as I find it an awkward piece of advice to disseminate - but I can see how it could happen.

That's kind of why I mentioned the *friends* appeared to be more Jason's friends rather than Michelle's friends. I'm reminded of how the friends in the previous trial were more NC's friends. The friends in this trial were more Jason's friends. Michelle didn't feel comfortable going to the wedding with 'the girls'. Didn't feel as if she belonged. I can't recall, besides the 'wedding ring girl', did any of the *friends* get emotional on the stand? Does anyone know if the 'friends' were/are still around for Meredith, Cas, or were and are they still basically jason's friends?

 

[happy2binNC]

Or.... that's a friend, that, based on the volatile relationship they had witnessed along with Jason's affairs and potentially saying he was "done", had a suspicion that he was gonna NEED a lawyer.

I think his friend had an inkling - thus - he made the suggestion.

Weird, I know - as I find it an awkward piece of advice to disseminate - but I can see how it could happen.

I'm still quite shocked we didn't see RS take the stand -- for either side.

 

[borndem]

Well I'm more concerned with what she said rather than how. I thought she was very compelling after a bumpy start. Hit a home run in the end.

I agree, Jilly. She needs polish, and she needs to use a stronger tone of indignation -- for the State to include herself, for the victim's family and for the victim, by looking him in the eye and saying, "How could you do this to her?" etc., etc., but she got warmed up and delivered in her way.

And Saacks got started and didn't let up -- so all in all, I think it was a B-. I hope it will be enuff.

But when you write down a list of all the evidence, JY really has no decent line of defense, IMO.

 

[gracielee]

I agree, Jilly. She needs polish, and she needs to use a stronger tone of indignation -- for the State to include herself, for the victim's family and for the victim, by looking him in the eye and saying, "How could you do this to her?" etc., etc., but she got warmed up and delivered in her way.

And Saacks got started and didn't let up -- so all in all, I think it was a B-. I hope it will be enuff.

But when you write down a list of all the evidence, JY really has no decent line of defense, IMO.

Hopefully, that's what the *board* is for. :waitasec:

 

[borndem]

I think this is actually powerful. I like her point here. Don't convict because he was a cheater, but lying about working on the marriage, does go towards his credibility. If he lied on the stand about that, he'll lie on the stand about anything.

Although, I don't like her insinuations about JYL's love for CY. She can't know that.

BBM I think we all agree that he loved her, including BH, but she goes on to say that ultimately when the rubber started hitting the road, he gave up primary custody so that he wouldn't undergo a sworn deposition and a psych exam. [Even BC underwent those in his custody battle, for instance.] It doesn't mean he didn't love her; it simply means he loved her less than himself. In this contest, CY came in second to JLY. That's her point, and IMO, she's dead-on.

 

[borndem]

Dogs are amazing creatures. They have excellent intuition. They would have KNOWN if someone else was in that house for bad purposes. That dog would have been going nuts is someone he did not know attacked Michelle. He would have picked up on her terror and gone after the attacker.

Dogs know. The most mild mannered animal will go crazy when something is that wrong. He also would have been VERY protective of that child.

good dogs take cues from their masters - if you are scared - they know it and they react.

As a note - police will tell you a dog is the most effective deterrent - perps don't like barking dogs - they draw attention to the scene. nevermind the possibility of being bitten.

If someone had put him in a closet - he would have tried frantically to get out - unless maybe it was Jason.......

'Nuff said -- and said beautifully and balls-on. :clap: