State vs Jason Lynn Young 6-23-11

[borndem]

Originally Posted by snowshuze
If I counted right ....attorney said 3 times Jason got lost.He's figuring that into the mileage. Throws off his math, IMO.

Yes, glee -- there's no reason for him to add mileage for JY getting lost, because he didn't -- he was just running a bit late due to unplanned time spent in Raleigh to tidy up.

:doh: Oh heyell, I've done it again. Pleeeeeeze excuse my moment of zero braincells, shuze and glee. I guess it's 'cuz I love ya both, and that you're both smart and perceptive. Forgive.

 

[borndem]

Don't believe there was a second attacker at all. When JY realized he had made a print with his HP, he reached into his closet and grabbed a pair of shoes that a friend had left previously and made a print with the smaller shoe. Quick thinker... of course, he is so good at lying this wasn't a challenge.:loser:

Either that, go, or he had those 10-dollar cheapest-shoes-he-could-find in his bag of tricks when he entered the house to do the deed.

I still maintain without a doubt that those size 10's put the blisters and probably the bruise on his foot. Again, I will say I have seen it as a shoe sales person, and as a baseball mom when one of my son's team-mates took his spikes off after a game. (He said his feet hurt, and I had a silent fit -- how could a parent let his/her child wear those?)

DS's argument about how the bruise got there was very plausible, but I wish he would have added the blisters on the foot, along with the picture. And we all know what a picture is worth... JMO and I'm stickin' to it.

 

[No Coincidence]

I have a question that is lingering... JLY testified (for what its worth :sick: ) that he ate breakfast at the HI hotel continental breakfast. IIRC, they have no video evidence of him being in the hotel after the exit at midnight? I am confused about why no one questioned him in regards to why he was not on camera for that breakfast he ate?

Also, why do his DT continue to use the stairs as an excuse? Were there no videos there? If so, why did he ever need to go through the surveillanced hallway in the first place on the way out (aside from establishing an "alibi", even though he intended to never been seen on that camera again). I am lost as to how he wasn't discredited on his story about leaving the hotel and coming back in with a computer charger and "SOMEHOW" the camera did not detect his return only seconds later. I am frustrated that the prosecution didn't question more about why he wasn't seen on camera again. I missed a day of testimony last week so please excuse me if I am way off.

 

[borndem]

Jury is worried about their privacy. Judge is addressing this now. Jurors will not be "released" from their jury duty until they arrive at home or their intended destination after their verdict. They are not to be photographed by the media. Media cannot contact them until they are home and they have the right to their privacy and do not have to speak to anyone at any time.

Judge said he will not permit jurors to be harassed or anything else because of their public service and he has the means to deal with this if necessary!

(bet some of this is coming from that last case in which terrible things were said about the jurors who didn't give the verdict some people wanted).

ITA -- I also think they may have images like we have seen on *TV* -- they don't want to be descended upon by photographers and crowds on their way to their cars.

IIRC, the jury after the R.Cook case (doctor/ballerina recently) asked for escorts to their cars. They were given one, but J. Blackwell said nearly the same words as JS -- something like, "I have the means to deal with it, and it will not happen. I'll take care of it -- you don't have to."

Very understandable.

 

[borndem]

I must admit, I am left wondering why the defense did not call Dr. Godwin or even the PI hired on JY's behalf to prove Meredith did it. I was all prepared to control my temper with Godwin's fabrications.

BBM - rc, I think you just answered your own question! Hint: Keyword is "fabrication." Those two Def Attys are pretty darn sharp. They probably talked with him and said simultaneously, "Naaaaah. Nope. Non. Nix. Nyet. Nie. Not." All I can wonder is if they hired him and prollly paid LOTSA dough and then canned his whole gig.

But I'm a bit mystified as you about the PI. Was he gratis? Was he just an adviser? Guess we'll never know. :dunno:

 

[Zamboni]

Before the trial is over, and before we know the final outcome, I feel like some thank you's are in order.

Thank you, Sheriff Donnie Harrison and your law enforcement team, for the determined work of the WCSO on this case.
Thank you, detectives and crime lab specialists, for being so thorough and tenacious. Thank you for carefully storing and analyzing the evidence and for testifying clearly, professionally, and patiently.
Thank you, Judge Stephens, for running a tight ship in this trial.
Thank you, Prosecutors Holt and Saacks, for your passion for justice, your long hours, and your keen wits.
Thank you, public defenders, for doing the best job you could do in this case.

I appreciate the honor and integrity that all of the above brought to these proceedings.

 

[cody100]

when you see the CA trial, you know this one was run without a hitch. Bravo to everyone.

 

[gracielee]

when you see the CA trial, you know this one was run without a hitch. Bravo to everyone.

IMO, the defense team on this case were seasoned professionals. That makes a huge difference compared to the CA case along with the cooper trial. :seeya:

 

[cody100]

Oh, I forgot, we aren't supposed to talk about the cooper case. Why do you keep bringing that case up when we have been asked not to talk about it?

 

[happy2binNC]

Before the trial is over, and before we know the final outcome, I feel like some thank you's are in order.

Thank you, Sheriff Donnie Harrison and your law enforcement team, for the determined work of the WCSO on this case.
Thank you, detectives and crime lab specialists, for being so thorough and tenacious. Thank you for carefully storing and analyzing the evidence and for testifying clearly, professionally, and patiently.
Thank you, Judge Stephens, for running a tight ship in this trial.
Thank you, Prosecutors Holt and Saacks, for your passion for justice, your long hours, and your keen wits.
Thank you, public defenders, for doing the best job you could do in this case.

I appreciate the honor and integrity that all of the above brought to these proceedings.

:clap: Well said!

I would add a thank you to the jurors in this case. It is evident to me, even without hearing their verdict yet, that they have been attentive to both sides. The juror that was dismissed yesterday clearly did not want to quit, and the juror without a car made an effort to make it to court on time. Now they have the serious task before them to weigh the evidence and decide JLY's fate.

 

[traveler]

Was the jury given all the e-mails...including the ones he sent to his sister after this happened and he said "I hope there's never an arrest"? That is so incriminating...they used it in the search warrants, why didn't they enter it into evidence?

 

[borndem]

The only thing I've really watched so far was about an hour of direct yesterday - only a bit of other testimony. The rest I've gleaned from here. And I am HIGHLY opinionated on this subject. I not only think the guy is guilty, I think he (and at least one other in his family) is perhaps the most disgusting person I've seen open a mouth to spew a lie. So, I can't well get outside of that box to consider a verdict other than guilty.

I do take the defense has put forth some reasonable points - gaps in the case evidence, contradictory evidence (DNA, eyewitness stuff). So, it gets back down to that well-worn discussion had before about the "totality" of the thing. Without the clear smoking gun, what do these people (jury) choose to believe based on analysis and gut feelings and the evidence can justify guilty or a reasonable doubt. I have high hopes that the picture is clear enough what this guy was up to.

He wanted freedom and money. And to him, women (perhaps men too) were objects to satisfy desire - not people of individual merit. Well, if it's an object standing between a lot of money (insurance he hoped to get and the full use of his income) and the ability to cat about without restriction, you knock the object out of the way.

He never cared his wife was dead. He never cared about justice for her. He never lifted a finger to do anything to solve the case of the brutal murder of the woman he loved, and his coming son. Never. Because he did it, and he thought stonewalling was his best friend (besides his mother). His e-mails to his sister indicated no grief, only the strong belief that over time, all would forget.

I do want to forget JY. But, I want my last memory of him to be the back of head being escorted to jail by the sheriff, whereupon he will reside in captivity until his freedomless life finally ends.

BBM
:goodpost:

Bravo, gguy. Take a bow.:clap:

 

[fran]

I have a question that is lingering... JLY testified (for what its worth :sick: ) that he ate breakfast at the HI hotel continental breakfast. IIRC, they have no video evidence of him being in the hotel after the exit at midnight? I am confused about why no one questioned him in regards to why he was not on camera for that breakfast he ate?

Also, why do his DT continue to use the stairs as an excuse? Were there no videos there? If so, why did he ever need to go through the surveillanced hallway in the first place on the way out (aside from establishing an "alibi", even though he intended to never been seen on that camera again). I am lost as to how he wasn't discredited on his story about leaving the hotel and coming back in with a computer charger and "SOMEHOW" the camera did not detect his return only seconds later. I am frustrated that the prosecution didn't question more about why he wasn't seen on camera again. I missed a day of testimony last week so please excuse me if I am way off.

I believe the video evidence of him NOT appearing in any further videos in the hotel surveilance was addressed today by the pros in the closing. He said something like every camera in the hotel was checked and the only cameras he appeared in were the ones presented here in court. He was NOT seen going to have breakfast or going to his car twice. or something like that.

hth,
fran

 

[borndem]

I wonder if JY would have spoken to LE had his pals not called to advise him that he needed to stay quiet and speak to an attorney. That could have made such a huge difference. (And BTW, to me, that's an overly loyal friend. I would have cared more about truth than making sure my pal covered his butt.)

That's a good question, Boodles. I rather think that he might have talked, since he was prolly already feeling smug about his grand plan. I fell sure that he already had in his mind how he would handle it. I also think, however, that his family also advised him not to talk. I don't necessarily think that they would have advised consulting an attorney so quickly, but I guess he felt he had no choice if he was not going to respond to LE.

I think many geographically isolated communities are many times very clannish and distrusting of outsiders. (This statement is not meant to be derogatory, haughty, or superior in any way.) They have learned over generations that they have to take care of themselves, and they often become very independent and self-sufficient.

When D. Rudolph took off for the NC mountains, one of my work friends, who was raised outside Asheville, NC, said that the folks up there would probably help hide & feed him. He felt that Rudolph would be able to hide in those hills "for years." (his words). I never forgot that. (And he was very nearly right.)

So I think JY was also greatly influenced by the advice of his family -- he was of them and with them. Blood is thick, and customs are very deeply ingrained in all of us. JMO

 

[gracielee]

Oh, I forgot, we aren't supposed to talk about the cooper case. Why do you keep bringing that case up when we have been asked not to talk about it?

It's one thing to droan on and on, IMO, but to completely ignore a case so similar in nature, in the same city is ridiculous. Are we not to compare this to the Scott Peterson case either? Or the Michael Peterson case? Brad Cooper was on trial in the same court room what, two months ago? These cases are certainly comparable IMO. Raleigh isn't that big a city, to have had two such cases tried within months of each other. Are we to not talk about this case, in comparison, when Raven Arboroa goes on trial in a couple months? The circumstantial evidence type case is extremely similar in nature, in all these cases, including both Peterson cases, Michael & Scott. This is an adult group of crime followers. And when there is a pattern in crime, in evidence, in circumstances, are we to bury our heads in the sand and not question the similarities?

 

[5bigfish5]

Dogs are amazing creatures. They have excellent intuition. They would have KNOWN if someone else was in that house for bad purposes. That dog would have been going nuts is someone he did not know attacked Michelle. He would have picked up on her terror and gone after the attacker.

Dogs know. The most mild mannered animal will go crazy when something is that wrong. He also would have been VERY protective of that child.

good dogs take cues from their masters - if you are scared - they know it and they react.

As a note - police will tell you a dog is the most effective deterrent - perps don't like barking dogs - they draw attention to the scene. nevermind the possibility of being bitten.

If someone had put him in a closet - he would have tried frantically to get out - unless maybe it was Jason.......

I will ALWAYS believe he drugged CY and Mr. Garrison.

Now, the question I will always have, is was CY's dose too low?

 

[5bigfish5]

I have a question that is lingering... JLY testified (for what its worth :sick: ) that he ate breakfast at the HI hotel continental breakfast. IIRC, they have no video evidence of him being in the hotel after the exit at midnight? I am confused about why no one questioned him in regards to why he was not on camera for that breakfast he ate?

Also, why do his DT continue to use the stairs as an excuse? Were there no videos there? If so, why did he ever need to go through the surveillanced hallway in the first place on the way out (aside from establishing an "alibi", even though he intended to never been seen on that camera again). I am lost as to how he wasn't discredited on his story about leaving the hotel and coming back in with a computer charger and "SOMEHOW" the camera did not detect his return only seconds later. I am frustrated that the prosecution didn't question more about why he wasn't seen on camera again. I missed a day of testimony last week so please excuse me if I am way off.

I think that was JY's biggest mistake.

IF, you think about it...it is easy to get turned around using an elevator going UP for the first time in a new hotel.

He made a common mistake to begin with, but was yet and still determined to complete his mission.

 

[gracielee]

I will ALWAYS believe he drugged CY and Mr. Garrison.

Now, the question I will always have, is was CY's dose too low?

I hope Amanda Lamb does a book on this case and addresses many of the questions that linger still. Like, what did the prosecution think of Cass' remarks on the 911 call? Was this addressed in pretrial motions? Did the judge rule her words couldn't be listened to by the jury, pointed out by the prosecution? Did Jason Young keep Cass away from the Fishers to hinder any sort of medical exam, testing for drugs, immediately afterwards? Or was she possibly taken to the hospital to be examined? And if she wasn't, why wasn't she? Usually when young children/crime victims are discovered, aren't they taken to the hospital as a precaution? Who took the dog from the house? And where was he kept until moving to the mountains? Somebody had to have taken custody of the dog?

 

[Just the Fax]

I hope to get back in town Friday so I can join the verdict watch at the courthouse.
Too much time invested over the past 4 1/2 years to miss the "guilty as charged" verdict.

I am very confident justice will prevail and Jason Lynn Young will go down.

 

[5bigfish5]

I hope to get back in town Friday so I can join the verdict watch at the courthouse.
Too much time invested over the past 4 1/2 years to miss the "guilty as charged" verdict.

I am very confident justice will prevail and Jason Lynn Young will go down.

We are all on pins and needles.

(Thank you for everything!)