State vs Jason Lynn Young 6-23-11

[gracielee]

I hope to get back in town Friday so I can join the verdict watch at the courthouse.
Too much time invested over the past 4 1/2 years to miss the "guilty as charged" verdict.

I am very confident justice will prevail and Jason Lynn Young will go down.

I certainly hope so. Do you know if he was offered a plea deal? I wish I knew more about the other sister, the one who didn't testify. It appears she posted places, but I was never aware of that. Was she in court at all?

 

[gracielee]

I wonder if there will be a verdict tomorrow? It's so hard to speculate, when one has no information about the jury. Is this a North Carolina thing, where nothing is reported about the jury? I remember all the bios on the scott peterson jury. Although we didn't see them, or know their names, we knew their ages, their occupations, etc. So it was easier to guess as to how they were leaning. I remember much was said about the gentleman who looked at Sharon Rocha a lot during the testimony. IIRC, wasn't it reported that 'he glanced at her as the jury entered the courtroom upon the verdict, and smiled at her' or some such gesture? And I recall the court tv people talking about 'strawberry shortcake' a lot. This jury, to me anyway, is a complete blank canvas, no idea on their make up, their education, etc.

 

[No Coincidence]

I think that was JY's biggest mistake.

IF, you think about it...it is easy to get turned around using an elevator going UP for the first time in a new hotel.

He made a common mistake to begin with, but was yet and still determined to complete his mission.

Can you be more specific? What do you mean get turned around using an elevator going up? I find it feasible that someone would take the elevator up, but the stairs down. I'd much rather wait to go up, and avoid 4 flights of stairs at all costs. Down is easy. My question is emphasizing the reason for stressing it so much... he was obviously NOT SEEN coming back in, and the camera was unplugged at a time when no one else went out. Process of elimination, if no one else was there, and he was, then either the air unplugged the camera or he did. I was/am so confused about how this is even being questioned or suggested. I am thankful that he openly admitted that working on his marriage consisted of being adulterous, abusive, and asinine. Thanks JLY, for discrediting yourself, because BH struggled a little. :crazy:

 

[Melanie]

JMHO - but the whole hotel scenario reminded me of Joran Vandersloot. All he needed to do was come back carrying a cup of coffee (on video) and I would have plopped out of my chair.

JY knew where the video cameras were, and he made an effort when he wanted to be seen and when he didn't want to be seen.

JMO.

Mel

 

[No Coincidence]

JMHO - but the whole hotel scenario reminded me of Joran Vandersloot. All he needed to do was come back carrying a cup of coffee (on video) and I would have plopped out of my chair.

JY knew where the video cameras were, and he made an effort when he wanted to be seen and when he didn't want to be seen.

JMO.

Mel

But he didnt.

He didn't have coffee on camera. The only thing he had on camera was a pair of gloves, water bottles, and that greasy nasty hair of his. Oh, and HP shoes, size 12. :waitasec:

 

[ncsu95]

It's one thing to droan on and on, IMO, but to completely ignore a case so similar in nature, in the same city is ridiculous. Are we not to compare this to the Scott Peterson case either? Or the Michael Peterson case? Brad Cooper was on trial in the same court room what, two months ago? These cases are certainly comparable IMO. Raleigh isn't that big a city, to have had two such cases tried within months of each other. Are we to not talk about this case, in comparison, when Raven Arboroa goes on trial in a couple months? The circumstantial evidence type case is extremely similar in nature, in all these cases, including both Peterson cases, Michael & Scott. This is an adult group of crime followers. And when there is a pattern in crime, in evidence, in circumstances, are we to bury our heads in the sand and not question the similarities?

I would love to compare the 2 trials.....but what is being done in here are snide comments about the defense team and what feels like people that had a different point of view other than BC was 100% guilty. It's actually been frustrating.

 

[gracielee]

JMHO - but the whole hotel scenario reminded me of Joran Vandersloot. All he needed to do was come back carrying a cup of coffee (on video) and I would have plopped out of my chair.

JY knew where the video cameras were, and he made an effort when he wanted to be seen and when he didn't want to be seen.

JMO.

Mel

You are so right, I'd forgotten all about Joran and his cup of coffee. JLY made a mistake not having his 'continental breakfast'. How'd he *escape* from that hotel without making it on camera again, I wonder.

 

[5bigfish5]

Can you be more specific? What do you mean get turned around using an elevator going up? I find it feasible that someone would take the elevator up, but the stairs down. I'd much rather wait to go up, and avoid 4 flights of stairs at all costs. Down is easy. My question is emphasizing the reason for stressing it so much... he was obviously NOT SEEN coming back in, and the camera was unplugged at a time when no one else went out. Process of elimination, if no one else was there, and he was, then either the air unplugged the camera or he did. I was/am so confused about how this is even being questioned or suggested. I am thankful that he openly admitted that working on his marriage consisted of being adulterous, abusive, and asinine. Thanks JLY, for discrediting yourself, because BH struggled a little. :crazy:

My Apologies,

It's hard for me to explain.

I have often times taken the elevator UP....only to find myself going in the wrong direction..once on the correct floor..even days later.

Maybe it is just me? OR maybe those little details separate the free from LWOP.:seeya:

Nite All! XXOO

(I really enjoy following along.)

 

[No Coincidence]

You are so right, I'd forgotten all about Joran and his cup of coffee. JLY made a mistake not having his 'continental breakfast'. How'd he *escape* from that hotel without making it on camera again, I wonder.

He grabbed the paper, and the hotel reciept, and he went back down the same way he came up. The camera was moved already. He was inside the hotel for a very short while. Long enough for the cellphone to ping and leave again.

 

[No Coincidence]

My Apologies,

It's hard for me to explain.

I have often times taken the elevator UP....only to find myself going in the wrong direction..once on the correct floor..even days later.

Maybe it is just me? OR maybe those little details separate the free from LWOP.:seeya:

Nite All! XXOO

(I really enjoy following along.)

I completely understand what you are saying, I am just not sure of the relevance. Seems to me that he intentionally took the stairs, he testified IIRC, that he often took the stairs back down. I dont think it was by the fault of him getting turned around. Were you just making a generic statement? hehe Just hoping I didn't miss something, thats all! Goodnight bigfish!

 

[Madeleine74]

On the stand JLY said he liked/preferred to take the stairs, unless he was carrying stuff like luggage. Not just down, but up as well.

I've always been confused about his exact movements in the hotel, which hallway, which direction, and I haven't studied it. I only know enough to know that he made sure to be seen on camera when he wanted and he unplugged and then moved the camera when he didn't want to be seen.

I don't know if he intended to be seen on camera at that point he goes back to the front desk to "pick up the newspaper" or not, but he knew a camera was there so I assume he intended it. His pullover top looks quite light to me in that particular B&W video where he is back at the front desk--it doesn't look black.

What seems suspicious to me is that he didn't bother moving his car to a better spot after getting his room assignment. His room is clear at one end and he has parked at the other end. Many people (although yes, I realize not all) would be inclined to move their car if they could get either closer to the front desk/elevator area or closer to where their room would be. Too bad the hotel didn't have videocams set up on the top corners of their building on all sides for views of the parking lot. Now that would have been interesting.

 

[fran]

You are so right, I'd forgotten all about Joran and his cup of coffee. JLY made a mistake not having his 'continental breakfast'. How'd he *escape* from that hotel without making it on camera again, I wonder.

There's also the minor detail of checking out. He's seen at the counter twice, checking in and ???? whatever that was. What about when he left, allegely in the a.m.? How did he do that? Call the desk? Just leave without checking out? You USUALLY go to the counter and leave the keys, at the least.

just curious,
fran

 

[Madeleine74]

At the H.I. and other hotels, you don't have keys. You have a key card which can be left in your room or anywhere on the premises I suppose. A receipt/invoice is left under your door in the middle of the night. You don't have to formally check out and you can leave at any time without going to the front desk.

 

[gracielee]

I wonder if JLY is getting any sleep tonight.

 

[annalyzer]

I hope Amanda Lamb does a book on this case and addresses many of the questions that linger still. Like, what did the prosecution think of Cass' remarks on the 911 call? Was this addressed in pretrial motions? Did the judge rule her words couldn't be listened to by the jury, pointed out by the prosecution? Did Jason Young keep Cass away from the Fishers to hinder any sort of medical exam, testing for drugs, immediately afterwards? Or was she possibly taken to the hospital to be examined? And if she wasn't, why wasn't she? Usually when young children/crime victims are discovered, aren't they taken to the hospital as a precaution? Who took the dog from the house? And where was he kept until moving to the mountains? Somebody had to have taken custody of the dog?

i thought jason's mother testified that she had the dog? maybe not

 

[carolinalady]

i thought jason's mother testified that she had the dog? maybe not

That's what I recall as well. She said Mr. G was living with her now.

 

[cody100]

It's one thing to droan on and on, IMO, but to completely ignore a case so similar in nature, in the same city is ridiculous. Are we not to compare this to the Scott Peterson case either? Or the Michael Peterson case? Brad Cooper was on trial in the same court room what, two months ago? These cases are certainly comparable IMO. Raleigh isn't that big a city, to have had two such cases tried within months of each other. Are we to not talk about this case, in comparison, when Raven Arboroa goes on trial in a couple months? The circumstantial evidence type case is extremely similar in nature, in all these cases, including both Peterson cases, Michael & Scott. This is an adult group of crime followers. And when there is a pattern in crime, in evidence, in circumstances, are we to bury our heads in the sand and not question the similarities?

I would also be happy to discuss this trial in comparison to any other trial, particularly the BC trial, but I do not make the rules. We have been asked not to discuss the Cooper case here by the moderators. Perhaps there should be a separate forum for that. My guess is it may get ugly there since there are passionate opinions on both sides of that particular case. Past history has indicated that there seems to be no room here for anyone who has different opinions. MOO

 

[Madeleine74]

I'm curious if JS had been the presiding judge in that 'other' trial and IF he had made the exact same rulings as that other judge did, if people would still say it was unfair and biased.

I would be very interested in how JS would have ruled. In other words, were legal rulings correct or not? And if correct, then it comes down to the personality and likability of one judge vs a different judge.

 

[cody100]

I'm curious if JS had been the presiding judge in that 'other' trial and IF he had made the exact same rulings as that other judge did, if people would still say it was unfair and biased.

I would be very interested in how JS would have ruled. In other words, were legal rulings correct or not? And if correct, then it comes down to the personality and likability of one judge vs a different judge.

That is an interesting question. I think the other judge in the other trial showed contempt for the defense team, and therefore immediately produced a visual and audible image of being biased towards the prosecution. JS has been and is always very courteous to each side. He makes that well known in every statement. I do not know if JS would have made the same rulings. However, if he had made those same rulings, I bet a lot of folks would not be so upset. I don't think it is personality and likeability but rather we want our judges to be fair and respectful to both sides.

 

[Madeleine74]

It's nice when a judge can maintain a good poker face and not show any feelings. JS is very good with that. JG is not. Judge Perry in the C.A. trial is very obvious with his disdain for the defense team. If he's not admonishing them on an almost daily basis, he's trying to keep from laughing out loud at them. Remember Judge Ito from the OJ trial? He bent over backwards for the defense and showed his bias against the state.

Judges are human and they aren't all going to be like JS. I'm much more interested in their legal rulings than whether they appear to like one side or not.

Which is why I am pondering what the reaction would be if JS had made the same legal rulings as JG did. And if JS reviewed (and agreed) with the ones JG did make. Afterall, JS is the supervising judge in the Superior Court. As such he is entitled to review each of the judges who report to him and he is certainly able to look at their rulings.

Imagine if JS looked at each of the rulings done by JG and agreed with them! We'd never know it because it wouldn't be part of any official record, but wouldn't THAT be interesting!?!