State vs Jason Lynn Young: weekend discussion 11-12 Feb 2012

[gracielee]

IMO, there is far more evidence against JLY then there was against scott peterson. The evidence against JLY is much like a bread crumb trail to the murder. His actions and movements can be traced, all those pieces of circumstantial evidence, one leading to another. Right down to the phone calls he left that morning after. Calling Meredith to go to his house. So many things he'd never done before, he just happens to do on the day after the murder. Involving his mother to call Meredith even. And heading straight to Brevard rather than home. Heck, he'd be missing an N.C. State game, one they had friends coming in to see. He didn't miss a state game for his own wedding.

 

[gracielee]

An insightful poster pointed this out - very telling, imo
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"Meredith when asked by the defense said she didn't cry initially as she was still trying to process what she had seen. Surreal.
Linda also testified she didn't cry when Meredith called her because she couldn't grasp that Michelle was dead. How could this be?

But when told, Jason immediately fell to his knees, crying, acting like he couldn't hold up- total acceptance."

Yup, he slid through all those 5 stages of grief, right to acceptance, like a champion sprinter. :maddening:

 

[Madeleine74]

Here's another gotcha that an astute person noted:

JY leaves a message on his home answering machine for his wife on Fri 11/3/06 around noon. He identifies himself!

"Hi this is Jay (or possibly said Jayson)." Now what husband needs to identify their own voice to their wife? Further, he says he is going on to Brevard. However, he had already said that was his plan the evening before when he learned his FIL was not coming to town. So why announce it again?

Also, Michelle was supposed to work in the office that day. Yet he left that message on the home machine.

This message was a plant. Not for his wife. But for LE.

 

[Just the Fax]

Here's another gotcha that an astute person noted:

JY leaves a message on his home answering machine for his wife on Fri 11/3/06 around noon. He identifies himself!

"Hi this is Jay (or possibly said Jayson)." Now what husband needs to identify their own voice to their wife? Further, he says he is going on to Brevard. However, he had already said that was his plan the evening before when he learned his FIL was not coming to town. So why announce it again?

Also, Michelle was supposed to work in the office that day. Yet he left that message on the home machine.

This message was a plant. Not for his wife. But for LE.

He called mama at 9:10PM to tell her he was coming to Brevard.
He then called MY at 9:15PM to say the same thing. Then , he calls home 17 more times (not all connected) from 9:56PM until the final call at 11:04PM (5 minute call).

Yes, so a call left on the machine the next day announcing his name and change of plans to Brevard is a total, absolute sham.

 

[gracielee]

He called mama at 9:10PM to tell her he was coming to Brevard.
He then called MY at 9:15PM to say the same thing. Then , he calls home 17 more times (not all connected) from 9:56PM until the final call at 11:04PM (5 minute call).

Yes, so a call left on the machine the next day announcing his name and change of plans to Brevard is a total, absolute sham.

Reminded me of all the calls scott peterson left for Laci. When my husband calls home, he always says 'hey honey, it's me', or 'hey sweetie, I'm going to be late.'

 

[Just the Fax]

The VM messages will be Gotcha questions for Jay if he takes the stand again.

 

[Grammy Jean]

An insightful poster pointed this out - very telling, imo
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"Meredith when asked by the defense said she didn't cry initially as she was still trying to process what she had seen. Surreal.
Linda also testified she didn't cry when Meredith called her because she couldn't grasp that Michelle was dead. How could this be?

But when told, Jason immediately fell to his knees, crying, acting like he couldn't hold up- total acceptance."

Yes, I have always found his reaction to hearing the news quite suspect. LF's reaction much more real for me. She said she just kept saying "What?" she couldn't process. Later told she was mostly likely in shock. In the first trial I never heard PY or Gerald testify to Jason even asking what happened. Think about it he left a healthy wife at home the day before and is now told she is dead. Wouldn't any innocent person be asking How? What? Did she have an accident? Was Cassidy involved? No JY began his attempt at an Oscar performance of falling apart and saying something like my baby boy is dead! I am sure he was rehearsing this in his head during the drive to Brevard after his talking with MM

Also I never for a minute bought his attempt at crying on the stand.

 

[Boodles]

Confused about and hate to bring it up for debate, but have to ask: so if the "wear pattern" on the size 12 hush puppies of the exact same make that JY purchased at DSW is not showing up as identical to another pair of JY's shoes, then the print is not his, it's someone else's? Is that what is being implied?

 

[Boodles]

Yes, I have always found his reaction to hearing the news quite suspect. LF's reaction much more real for me. She said she just kept saying "What?" she couldn't process. Later told she was mostly likely in shock. In the first trial I never heard PY or Gerald testify to Jason even asking what happened. Think about it he left a healthy wife at home the day before and is now told she is dead. Wouldn't any innocent person be asking How? What? Did she have an accident? Was Cassidy involved? No JY began his attempt at an Oscar performance of falling apart and saying something like my baby boy is dead! I am sure he was rehearsing this in his head during the drive to Brevard after his talking with MM

Also I never for a minute bought his attempt at crying on the stand.

But who's to say JY's reported reaction is valid, anyway? Our sources are JY and PY, right? The two people who traded a ton of phone calls to each other in the month preceding the murder? How reliable is that info?

 

[Just the Fax]

Confused about and hate to bring it up for debate, but have to ask: so if the "wear pattern" on the size 12 hush puppies of the exact same make that JY purchased at DSW is not showing up as identical to another pair of JY's shoes, then the print is not his, it's someone else's? Is that what is being implied?

I think otto was the only one implying this.

 

[gracielee]

Confused about and hate to bring it up for debate, but have to ask: so if the "wear pattern" on the size 12 hush puppies of the exact same make that JY purchased at DSW is not showing up as identical to another pair of JY's shoes, then the print is not his, it's someone else's? Is that what is being implied?

I'm not sure I understand your question, but I'll give it a try. JLY *had* per receipt, a pair of the size 12 hush puppies identical to the sole pattern of the blood prints made in the bedroom. They were *missing* after the murder, IIRC, JLY said 'Michelle had given them to charity.' Then a day or two later, after the murder, he went out and bought himself another very similar pair of the same hush puppies. The original hush puppies had been discontinued, so he couldn't repurchase the exact same pair, but he got a similar in style and color pair as to the originals. Is that what you meant?

 

[Madeleine74]

While everyone grieves differently, I think it's fair to say a universal first response to hearing someone died (someone not expected to die) is utter shock.

That was my reaction when I got the news about my brother. My brain was trying to process what I heard and my heart was beating hard and shock is the only way I could describe what I felt.

Later the tears came along with waves of nausea (apparently Kubler-Ross missed this nausea stage), and so on.

Jason went straight to acceptance and then moved on to (secret) elation.

 

[Just the Fax]

Falling plumb to his knees "sobbing"....
Betcha Pat and Gerald would love to take that account back, now that they realize how contrived it sounds.

 

[gracielee]

Falling plumb to his knees "sobbing"....
Betcha Pat and Gerald would love to take that account back, now that they realize how contrived it sounds.

But do you really think *they* understand it sounds 'contrived'? They strike me as oblivious to anything that affects their family.

 

[gracielee]

While everyone grieves differently, I think it's fair to say a universal first response to hearing someone died (someone not expected to die) is utter shock.

That was my reaction when I got the news about my brother. My brain was trying to process what I heard and my heart was beating hard and shock is the only way I could describe what I felt.

Later the tears came along with waves of nausea (apparently Kubler-Ross missed this nausea stage), and so on.

Jason went straight to acceptance and then moved on to (secret) elation.

I'm so sorry for your loss, Madeleine. When I was about 15, I lost someone extremely close to me. He was only 16 at the time, a car/train collision. I remember walking around sort of numb, in a daze, for days afterwards. Going through the motions, but everything around me was 'far away' and unreal. It wasn't until the actual memorial service that tears came. For probably the next year, I was still shocked & numb to a certain extent.

 

[fredwomble]

Here's another gotcha that an astute person noted:

JY leaves a message on his home answering machine for his wife on Fri 11/3/06 around noon. He identifies himself!

"Hi this is Jay (or possibly said Jayson)." Now what husband needs to identify their own voice to their wife? Further, he says he is going on to Brevard. However, he had already said that was his plan the evening before when he learned his FIL was not coming to town. So why announce it again?


Also, Michelle was supposed to work in the office that day. Yet he left that message on the home machine.

This message was a plant. Not for his wife. But for LE.

Ok, Gotta admit I seem to have forgotten this detail. Good grief, that is a flashing neon sign. I've been married more than 12 years, have left let's say, I don't know, a few hundred voicemail messages at home (especially in the days before texting). I'm 100 percent certain I have never said my name in a message. Sooo transparent.

Unrelated, I wonder if Kim Young will be called by the prosecution in this case...

 

[Madeleine74]

Ok, Gotta admit I seem to have forgotten this detail. Good grief, that is a flashing neon sign. I've been married more than 12 years, have left let's say, I don't know, a few hundred voicemail messages at home (especially in the days before texting). I'm 100 percent certain I have never said my name in a message. Sooo transparent.

Yep, that is the 'gotcha' to me. You KNOW your significant other's voice, even how it sounds over the phone.

 

[Just the Fax]

***correction***

After reserching call details, it is noted Jay never called the home phone on Friday (CY could have picked up, plus her work or cell would be the one to call....he called her work at 12:02PM and her cell at 12:17PM)

That VM left on the home machine had to have been one of the 17 calls he placed Thursday night. MY was watching GA, and obviously let one go to VM...that is when he said "this is Jay....hope your 9AM Dr. app goes well....i'm now going to Brevard"

 

[Madeleine74]

Also, the fact that he willingly (and conveniently) decided to miss an NC State home game when he was a rabid fan with season tickets...he is such a diehard fan and tailgater that one condition of his wedding was that it could not be held on a day in which there was an NC State game.

But yet that very weekend he decides to drive to his hometown to pickup baby furniture for a baby that wasn't due for another nearly 5 months? He would be seeing his family in Brevard 3 weeks later for Thanksgiving. Why make a special trip that Friday?

But this very weekend, a weekend in which fellow NC State guests/friends were expected, he had to get that baby furniture? That was the excuse he gave.

Really? :liar:

 

[Just the Fax]

I do say "this is me" sometimes....NEVER my name.