State wants answers from Baez

[Intermezzo]

Is this why he missed the deadline and the real reason JA wants JB held in contempt? It was obvious JB was not happy at the hearing because the date the judge set was before the conference. It just seems to me that JB did this deliberately to get his way regardless of what JP said and JA has had it. He thinks he can feign confusion and the court is going to believe that crap? He is such a privileged character just like his client thinks she is. I cannot wait for this trial to be done.

strach304
I Believe so but that is my opinion and speculation..

 

[Intermezzo]

I have no doubt that JP is going to be fed up with the shenanigans and have CM accountable from here on out.

I hope so..

 

[strach304]

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41725322

If the defense can file a new motion for funding for this MH expert to assist in exploring mitigating factors, why can't they keep on schedule. It appears to me, that Baez believes he is above it all and doesn't have to comply with the judges orders until he is ready to comply.

It appears there is animosity between JA and JB but why and where does it stem from. This is about a young woman who broke the law in a most heinous way, allegedly taking the life of her own child. If this animosity is carried through the trial, I wonder how jurors will react to this...If Baez has any notions of trying to get a plea change, wouldn't it be better for him and his client to not ruffle those feathers?

He also had a deadline for expert reports, where they filed on time? JMHO

Justice for Caylee

This goes so far back to the beginning when Judge Strickland presided and JB couldn't write a proper motion to save his life. JA has never hid the fact that JB is incompetent and things were a little better once the qualified lawyers joined the team. They have dropped like flies and although CM is competent he doesn't seem to be giving this case his full attention. That is the issue for the state, they really do want Casey to get a fair trial.

 

[miimaa]

Do I have this broken down correctly?

Jose wants scientific evidence excluded from trial. A Frey hearing is needed to determine if the "minimum threshold of reliability and acceptance in the scientific community" is met for that specific evidence. Since it is JOSE that wants said evidence excluded, the burden is on HIM to present to the court and the prosecution exactly what evidence is subject to exclusion, and why it does not meet the minimum threshold?


It is looking to me that Jose wants to exclude evidence but has nothing to back it up, or rather no expert opinion that supports the evidence not meeting minimum threshold required by the Frey standard... and that is why he is at the conference? To find an 'expert' to say the scientific evidence or manner of test (dna, etc) is not reliable or accepted?


I better understand it all after reading this http://www.forensic-evidence.com/site/ID/toolmark_id.html

 

[strach304]

I totally support JAs motion. As I've said, I am a Health Inspector and there are some people who correct everything the first time, get their license, goodbye. Then there are people who just refuse to comply within deadlines, either passively or deliberately, on and on and on. They make more work for me to have to keep going out, then to have to file citations is a pain in the keyster. I want to scream JUST DO IT and you don't have to see me again for a year! We have a progressive enforcement policy...start with warnings, then citations, then closure...that is what JA seems to be doing. Started with sanctions, didn't work. On to contempt. Think of the extra work he has to do to just get HIS job done, holding JBs hand, filing motions to get him to do his job. I'm sure he is frustrated up to his eyeballs. If it were me, though, I would have listed all the deadlines missed..that is what I do in my job to show the whole history leading up to enforcement action.

Maybe he feels he doesn't need to school the judge since he is well aware of JB's shenanigans thus far.

 

[strach304]

I see no problem with JA going in for the kill at every opportunity, with this moron. He is representing Caylee, who was viciously murdered and dumped in a swamp, not playing a game of one-upmanship with the idiot Baez. If Baez cannot follow a schedule, is too lazy or incompetent to put a note on a Calendar for every date that something is due he deserves all he gets.
If JA's reaction is not typical of how SA's would handle this given the same circumstances, then it's time it was.

:woohoo:

Thanks just wasn't enough. I love your posts.

 

[Novice Seeker]

ITA. JB & the whole defense team are undermining the authority of this Judge and this court by not playing by the rules/adhering to deadlines. The Judge becomes useless if he cannot keep both the prosecution and defense lawyers in check. JB has long since used up his "mulligan" for missed deadlines/confusion/ignorance of courtroom procedure.

:cow:

A fundemental necessity for any leader or person of authority. Can you imagine having to deal with a child who is out of control telling him/her now Johnny please don't do that again....Oh, you were confused about what is wrong vs. right, acceptable vs. not? well than it's my fault for not explaining it better. Whenever you can't remember I'll be more than happy to explain it to you

Not As I've told my kids so many times, Respect isn't given IT'S EARNED.


Novice Seeker

 

[strach304]

bbm
I agree.
Baez is defending a client charged with murder who may very well receive the DP
With the trial fast approaching he is Failing to Meet deadlines to file responses Ordered by the presiding Chief Judge on this case...

I still believe Baez is trying to have a trial by ambush, even pre-trial hearings by ambush..he did it in the Nilton Diaz case and IMO is trying to do it here but JBP is Thwarting his attempts at ambush.
:twocents:

Personally I don't see where he will have anything useful to ambush with but that's just me.

 

[strawberry]

Maybe he feels he doesn't need to school the judge since he is well aware of JB's shenanigans thus far.

You know, I was just thinking the same thing. He doesn't need to lay it out. HHJP has seen all the carp they have pulled.

 

[strach304]

Do I have this broken down correctly?

Jose wants scientific evidence excluded from trial. A Frey hearing is needed to determine if the "minimum threshold of reliability and acceptance in the scientific community" is met for that specific evidence. Since it is JOSE that wants said evidence excluded, the burden is on HIM to present to the court and the prosecution exactly what evidence is subject to exclusion, and why it does not meet the minimum threshold?


It is looking to me that Jose wants to exclude evidence but has nothing to back it up, or rather no expert opinion that supports the evidence not meeting minimum threshold required by the Frey standard... and that is why he is at the conference? To find an 'expert' to say the scientific evidence or manner of test (dna, etc) is not reliable or accepted?


I better understand it all after reading this http://www.forensic-evidence.com/site/ID/toolmark_id.html

Their best bet was LKB but she is gone. The only Frye issue that I can remember for Scott Petersons trial was the dog evidence. That evidence has been accepted for a number of years so it was a matter of the dogs training and success rating for which the judge had to rule on. Then it was up to the jury as to how much weight they gave for that evidence. The defense still had the opportunity to present witnesses and any other evidence to create doubt during the trial.

 

[LancelotLink]

You know, I was just thinking the same thing. He doesn't need to lay it out. HHJP has seen all the carp they have pulled.

Yes, and I believe HHJBP said that if this happened again, civil contempt might be a consideration. IIRC.

 

[krisskross]

bbm
I agree.
Baez is defending a client charged with murder who may very well receive the DP
With the trial fast approaching he is Failing to Meet deadlines to file responses Ordered by the presiding Chief Judge on this case...

I still believe Baez is trying to have a trial by ambush, even pre-trial hearings by ambush..he did it in the Nilton Diaz case and IMO is trying to do it here but JBP is Thwarting his attempts at ambush.
:twocents:

Sorry, but I'm racking my brains trying to imagine any sort of ambush this defense team could spring on the SAO........short of producing Zanny the Nanny and her clan on May 16th. :floorlaugh:

His impressive list of experts have shrunken considerably and Judge Perry has ruled......If its not in a report or a deposition it doesnt get heard at trial.

I think Baez, now, is mereley trying to stall this trial. He knows he didn't put the work in and May is approaching all too quickly. He looked very rattled at the last hearing and maybe seeing Sgt Allen there reminded him of the ongoing external investigation. Home under foreclosure, earning potential seriously curtailed and a bar complaint. Oh and a client who thinks she will walk free.:bang:

 

[Aedrys]

Personally I don't see where he will have anything useful to ambush with but that's just me.

I think it's one of two things. Either he thinks he's going to ambush and impress with something that will turn out to be worthless or WTF to everyone else but the defense team and ICA,

or

He's the worst card player on the planet with the worst poker face known to man. No one is fooled, Baez. If you have nothing, we already know it and so does the court!

 

[sumbunny]

This article is fantastic

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/0...te-moves-again-to-have-baez-held-in-contempt/

 

[miimaa]

Poor Jose. He has to present actual proof that these test and evidence are unreliable or inaccurate. Why won't the judge and State attorney just believe him!!

 

[watcher9]

If JA didn't file a motion calling for sanctions against JB for missing the court ordered mandated date order, what could the Judge do?

Would the Judge ignore his own order or would he call JB on missing the order date himself?

Would that set up the Judge to fail - either being portrayed as being too lenient or too prejudiced against the defense?

 

[miimaa]

Can the evidence Jose wanted excluded now definitely be included since he did not meet the deadline nor present the evidence necessary to exclude it? [what did I say?]

Is what he wanted excluded now included because he can't prove it should be excluded? [still sounds funny...]

Is Jose screwed?

 

[krisskross]

Can the evidence Jose wanted excluded now definitely be included since he did not meet the deadline nor present the evidence necessary to exclude it? [what did I say?]

Is what he wanted excluded now included because he can't prove it should be excluded? [still sounds funny...]

Is Jose screwed?

I think that all depends on whether Dr Logan's report was submitted by the deadline of February 15th. He is alledgedly the expert who will testify at the Frye hearing. J Perry made it clear .....no more extensions.:waitasec:

That would also put Baez in deeper doo doo if he again failed to alert the court, he couldn't produce the reports.

Nothing in the court docket yet?

If Perry doesnt allow Logan to testify, then no need for a Frye hearing?:waitasec:. I guess it then gets deferred till trial without a ruling. I'm no lawyer but I'd guess the State would seek to introduce it, the defense are still entitled to object and J Perry makes a decision.

Remember this Judge says he does his own research.

 

[sleutherontheside]

This article is fantastic

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/0...te-moves-again-to-have-baez-held-in-contempt/

Just read it....am still in TEARS from laughing so hard.....TEARS rolling down my face........tears soaking my shirt.....

Does anyone have a "pocket square" handy????

 

[strawberry]

Just read it....am still in TEARS from laughing so hard.....TEARS rolling down my face........tears soaking my shirt.....

Does anyone have a "pocket square" handy????

Hopefully eggtreenews will have a new one soon too!

http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/