Steven Avery: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's Murder?

[Karinna]

IMO, what KZ presented to the court regarding BoD as an alternative suspect is an opinion piece with no facts to back it up.

She submitted the facts in her motion to the court as per her computer forensic expert.

 

[Sustained]

She submitted the facts in her motion to the court as per her computer forensic expert.

Not talking about the computer - I'm talking about the narrative she spun in the same motion about BoD being the killer and the timeline. Starting on page 7 ... all speculation with no proof.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...Recent-Examination-of-the-Dassey-Computer.pdf

 

[Karinna]

Not talking about the computer - I'm talking about the narrative she spun in the same motion about BoD being the killer and the timeline. Starting on page 7 ... all speculation with no proof.

http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...Recent-Examination-of-the-Dassey-Computer.pdf

I would say her narrative ties in with what was found on the computer regarding Bobby Dassey's pornographic internet searches, of which there were a huge amount, and the fact that that evidence was withheld from the court at Trial.
She is proving a Brady violation because BoD's testimony by rights should of been inadmissable, and would of likely had a different outcome at Trial if it had been known to the jury as BoD being an alternate suspect.

 

[Sustained]

I would say her narrative ties in with what was found on the computer regarding Bobby Dassey's pornographic internet searches, of which there were a huge amount, and the fact that that evidence was withheld from the court at Trial.
She is proving a Brady violation because BoD's testimony by rights should of been inadmissable, and would of likely had a different outcome at Trial if it had been known to the jury as BoD being an alternate suspect.

With all due respect, she is not proving anything as BoD has no prior criminal record and the whole story is a fairy tale. She could've substituted Chuck, Earl, Hillegas, Fabian, ST or anyone else in the story. There is still zero proof that BoD made all of the internet searches that she describes. Does KZ even know for sure that BoD was home alone ? That Blaine/Brendan were at school on the days of the searches ? That ST was not over the house using the computer ? Chuck, Earl, or Steven Avery ? No way to know for sure.

 

[Poedelini]

BBM - how is the average guilter supposed to afford a team of experts to contradict what KZ has put forward ? We're not talking about the WI police, DOJ, or FBI here.

I used an example of her testing in a post before ... the blood by the ignition switch. She doesn't know when SA's blood ended up there - whether if was planted or it was SA fumbling around somehow in the dark putting the key in the ignition. Impossible to recreate the exact circumstances as she doesn't know them.

That part is indeed ridicoulus. I wonder why SA his lawyer's didn't reach out to experts contradicting some stuff. He paid them alot of money.

 

[Karinna]

With all due respect, she is not proving anything as BoD has no prior criminal record and the whole story is a fairy tale. She could've substituted Chuck, Earl, Hillegas, Fabian, ST or anyone else in the story. There is still zero proof that BoD made all of the internet searches that she describes. Does KZ even know for sure that BoD was home alone ? That Blaine/Brendan were at school on the days of the searches ? That ST was not over the house using the computer ? Chuck, Earl, or Steven Avery ? No way to know for sure.

As has been mentioned numerous times before here and elsewhere, KZ doesn't have to prove exactly what happened.
She will only get an exoneration on legalities and new evidence, which i think she has proven.
It is not a Trial, it is a PCR on those things.
You say you followed the Ryan Ferguson case?
How was he exonerated, on what grounds?

 

[Karinna]

That part is indeed ridicoulus. I wonder why SA his lawyer's didn't reach out to experts contradicting some stuff. He paid them alot of money.

I don't think the defense had nowhere near as much money as the State?
Isn't that what Strang & Buting have said?

 

[Karinna]

Has KZ actually stated that BoD committed the crime?
She also mentions ST & RH as lying from her findings.
And about ST lying in court under oath.
Isn't she just naming those 3 as alternate suspects?

 

[Poedelini]

I don't think the defense had nowhere near as much money as the State?
Isn't that what Strang & Buting have said?

So is it like, the richer you are the more chance of getting out you have? Because i think that is sad.
There should be experts available for the people who don't have millions to spend.

I thought the 400.000 SA had was certainly enough to invite at least one expert over.

Has KZ actually stated that BoD committed the crime?
She also mentions ST & RH as lying from her findings.
And about ST lying in court under oath.
Isn't she just naming those 3 as alternate suspects?

Too me it looks like it. I don't really know what her intentions were.

 

[Karinna]

So is it like, the richer you are the more chance of getting out you have? Because i think that is sad.
There should be experts available for the people who don't have millions to spend.

I thought the 400.000 SA had was certainly enough to invite at least one expert over.



Too me it looks like it. I don't really know what her intentions were.

Here is an article i found about SA's lawyers.
(quote)

Making a Murderer lawyers Dean Strang and Jerry Buting may no longer be representing Steven Avery in his high-profile murder case, but they tell Newsweek they are happy to have their defense in the original 2007 trial deemed ineffective if it helps Avery go free on appeal.
Exclusive: 'Making a Murderer' lawyers respond to criticism from Steven Avery

 

[Sustained]

Has KZ actually stated that BoD committed the crime?
She also mentions ST & RH as lying from her findings.
And about ST lying in court under oath.
Isn't she just naming those 3 as alternate suspects?

Yes, in the same motion I quoted above.

 

[Sustained]

As has been mentioned numerous times before here and elsewhere, KZ doesn't have to prove exactly what happened.
She will only get an exoneration on legalities and new evidence, which i think she has proven.
It is not a Trial, it is a PCR on those things.
You say you followed the Ryan Ferguson case?
How was he exonerated, on what grounds?

I think you already know the answer ... but mainly because Jerry Trump admitted his trial testimony was fabricated and Chuck Erickson recanted his dream confession.

 

[proudfootz]

According to this quote the computer in question was located in the Janda/Dassey residence was is Bobby's room.

"July 6, 2018, Motion to Supplement - P. 12

On November 17, 2017, in a recent interview of Bobby Dassey by the Calumet County Sheriff’s Department, Bobby that the computer was located “on a desk in the living room at the time.” When Bobby was asked if the computer was ever located in his bedroom, he stated, “It was not.” (Attached and incorporated herein as Exhibit 13 is the Calumet County Sheriff’s Department Report of the Bobby interview on November 17, 2017). However, Bobby’s statement is directly contradicted by the crime scene footage taken by Sgt. Tyson on November 12, 2005, which shows the computer is located in Bobby’s bedroom."

It would seem Bobby lied about where the computer was.​

 

[CoolJ]

I think you already know the answer ... but mainly because Jerry Trump admitted his trial testimony was fabricated and Chuck Erickson recanted his dream confession.

Ryan Ferguson wasn’t exonerated on either of these issues alone. His conviction was vacated due to Brady violations causing the AG to take a closer look at the case.

Zellners case was nowhere near as strong then for Ferguson as it is now for Avery. It’s not even close when you compare the two.

 

[CoolJ]

Speaking of comparing these two cases (Ferguson and Avery) it is quite interesting to study the methods Zellner uses. She is using the same playbook.

Basically going after the ones who lied under oath and then the case unravels from there, Brady violations and all. Exact same playbook.

She is getting much more opposition in this case however. Probably because in the Ferguson case it was just lazy LE and a corrupt prosecutor who wasn’t concerned with justice, only the conviction.

Avery’s case is completely different where we quite possibly have LE who were actively and with motive trying to frame him for murder; and a corrupt possibly psychopathic prosecutor who was assisting with the frame job, if not directing it.

 

[Sustained]

According to this quote the computer in question was located in the Janda/Dassey residence was is Bobby's room.

"July 6, 2018, Motion to Supplement - P. 12

On November 17, 2017, in a recent interview of Bobby Dassey by the Calumet County Sheriff’s Department, Bobby that the computer was located “on a desk in the living room at the time.” When Bobby was asked if the computer was ever located in his bedroom, he stated, “It was not.” (Attached and incorporated herein as Exhibit 13 is the Calumet County Sheriff’s Department Report of the Bobby interview on November 17, 2017). However, Bobby’s statement is directly contradicted by the crime scene footage taken by Sgt. Tyson on November 12, 2005, which shows the computer is located in Bobby’s bedroom."

It would seem Bobby lied about where the computer was.​

BBM - anyone have a link to the 11/12 Tyson pic of the computer in Bobby's bedroom. Searched and can't find it ...

 

[proudfootz]

I was looking for an image to post. I can't remember where I saw it.

 

[missy1974]

So I went hunting for a picture of Bobby's room... I guess it's in MaM2 somewhere, I can't recall seeing it in the show, but maybe in an episode I haven't watched yet. Will post if I can find a screenshot ... I don't have time to go looking through MaM to find it lol

 

[Karinna]

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[Karinna]

So I went hunting for a picture of Bobby's room... I guess it's in MaM2 somewhere, I can't recall seeing it in the show, but maybe in an episode I haven't watched yet. Will post if I can find a screenshot ... I don't have time to go looking through MaM to find it lol

Was the crime scene video by Sgt. Tyson ever available to the public?
I can't recall? I didn't watch MAM 1 yet only the latest one, so if it was featured in there i will have to watch the first series. I notice in the motion to supplement by KZ Bobby Dassey lied about the computer being in his room because Sgt. Tyson's crime scene video refutes that.