"Stun Gun" marks

[Ames]

Loved her to death.

GOOD ONE, NP.

 

[coloradokares]

She had to be pulled down the hall but she really loved that child.

Yeah.....what does this say. That she really did not love JonBenet. Or that she knew she was dead and couldn't bring herself to see once again what rage can do..... I wonder if we will ever know for sure? Here is what keeps playing on my mind. What if John confessed all....Could we believe it....after all the inconsistencies....I am not sure the truth would be recognized or believed if it was told. Leaves me naseous just to think about it.

 

[JMO8778]

I agree.

me too.I think if JR was innocent and really thought a SG might have been used,he would have been all too anxious to have JB exhumed to prove it.Until that day comes,( and I don't think it ever will),I can't possibly beleive that theory.

 

[Ames]

me too.I think if JR was innocent and really thought a SG might have been used,he would have been all too anxious to have JB exhumed to prove it.Until that day comes,( and I don't think it ever will),I can't possibly beleive that theory.

I agree....he doesn't want her body exhumed..because he is afraid of WHAT ELSE they might find.

 

[BlueCrab]

There is only one PAIR of marks. The other "stungun mark" is a single. This is one of the weaknesses of the stungun theory. One pair does not make a pattern. Had there been several pairs of identical marks it would have been a whole different ballgame.

Jayelles,

There are, IMO, actually THREE pairs of stun gun marks on JonBenet. Since the three stun gun hits are in three entirely different parts of the body, they do not closely resemble each other in appearance. As you know, the contours and thicknesses of the skin is different among the face, the lower back, and the lower leg near the ankle.

The stun gun injury on JonBenet's left lower back, consisting of twin rectangular burns, is the easiest to identify and to measure because the back is flat and the twin electrodes encounter almost identical skin contours and thicknesses.

The stun gun injury on JonBenet's face, which you refer to as a "single", actually has two identifiable marks on the skin, but they are harder to identify. The twin of the prominent ugly burn near her right ear is the white mark on the chin located 1 3/8 inches from the prominent mark.

The white signature mark from a prong of a stun gun is not unusual. For instance, the stun gun marks on the face of murder victim Gerald Boggs look very close to the stun gun marks on the face of JonBenet Ramsey. The large ugly burn on Boggs, like JonBenet, was near the right ear. But the accompanying white mark on Boggs was on his earlobe instead of on his chin.

The twin stun gun marks on JonBenet's lower left were also hard to identify because of the contours of a six-year-old's leg near the ankle. Nevertheless, Meyer was able to measure the two rectangular burn marks, which he originally identified as abrasions.

Meyer, the only qualified pathologist who examined the injuries in person, later admitted that the "abrasions" were also consistent with stun gun injuries.

BlueCrab

 

[BBB167893]

Ah, but what about the marks inside the marks?

 

[JMO8778]

Ah, but what about the marks inside the marks?

Right,the boat-shaped one in particular..

I haven't heard an explanation of why someone would stun her on the side of her neck and on the leg.That doesn't even make any sense to me.

 

[Jayelles]

Jayelles,

There are, IMO, actually THREE pairs of stun gun marks on JonBenet. Since the three stun gun hits are in three entirely different parts of the body, they do not closely resemble each other in appearance. As you know, the contours and thicknesses of the skin is different among the face, the lower back, and the lower leg near the ankle.

The stun gun injury on JonBenet's left lower back, consisting of twin rectangular burns, is the easiest to identify and to measure because the back is flat and the twin electrodes encounter almost identical skin contours and thicknesses.

The stun gun injury on JonBenet's face, which you refer to as a "single", actually has two identifiable marks on the skin, but they are harder to identify. The twin of the prominent ugly burn near her right ear is the white mark on the chin located 1 3/8 inches from the prominent mark.

The white signature mark from a prong of a stun gun is not unusual. For instance, the stun gun marks on the face of murder victim Gerald Boggs look very close to the stun gun marks on the face of JonBenet Ramsey. The large ugly burn on Boggs, like JonBenet, was near the right ear. But the accompanying white mark on Boggs was on his earlobe instead of on his chin.

The twin stun gun marks on JonBenet's lower left were also hard to identify because of the contours of a six-year-old's leg near the ankle. Nevertheless, Meyer was able to measure the two rectangular burn marks, which he originally identified as abrasions.

Meyer, the only qualified pathologist who examined the injuries in person, later admitted that the "abrasions" were also consistent with stun gun injuries.

BlueCrab

Nope.

 

[BlueCrab]

IMO the Ramseys owned a stun gun. Why else would an INSTRUCTIONAL video tape on stun guns, IN ENGLISH, NOT SPANISH, be found in the house? Spy World in Miami, where it was likely purchased and carried out of the store by John and Patsy in 1995, sold Taser brand hand-held stun guns, but would not have given the Ramseys a free instructional video tape unless the Ramseys had purchased a stun gun. The store more appropriately would have given the Ramseys a brochure.

Moreover, John Ramsey never admitted that the stun gun instructional tape was in Spanish; he only admitted that a video catalog from Spy World arrived in the mail "later", and the catalog was in Spanish.

The stun gun is missing along with a lot of other crime scene evidence, such as the roll of black duct tape, the rest of the white nylon cord, a pair of size 6 panties, the tip of the wooden paint brush handle, the wipe-down cloth, the nine notebook pages, Burke's Hi-Tec hiking boots, the red ink pen, and the murder weapon. The missing crime scene evidence strongly suggests there was a fifth person in the house that night who was there at the invitation of a Ramsey and who took as much incriminating evidence with him as the perps could think of -- including the stun gun.

BlueCrab

 

[Solace]

IMO the Ramseys owned a stun gun. Why else would an INSTRUCTIONAL video tape on stun guns, IN ENGLISH, NOT SPANISH, be found in the house? Spy World in Miami, where it was likely purchased and carried out of the store by John and Patsy in 1995, sold Taser brand hand-held stun guns, but would not have given the Ramseys a free instructional video tape unless the Ramseys had purchased a stun gun. The store more appropriately would have given the Ramseys a brochure.

Moreover, John Ramsey never admitted that the stun gun instructional tape was in Spanish; he only admitted that a video catalog from Spy World arrived in the mail "later", and the catalog was in Spanish.

The stun gun is missing along with a lot of other crime scene evidence, such as the roll of black duct tape, the rest of the white nylon cord, a pair of size 6 panties, the tip of the wooden paint brush handle, the wipe-down cloth, the nine notebook pages, Burke's Hi-Tec hiking boots, the red ink pen, and the murder weapon. The missing crime scene evidence strongly suggests there was a fifth person in the house that night who was there at the invitation of a Ramsey and who took as much incriminating evidence with him as the perps could think of -- including the stun gun.

BlueCrab

This crime is as it seems, a rage killing involving the parents. Most crimes are as they seem and this one is no different.

 

[UKGuy]

IMO the Ramseys owned a stun gun. Why else would an INSTRUCTIONAL video tape on stun guns, IN ENGLISH, NOT SPANISH, be found in the house? Spy World in Miami, where it was likely purchased and carried out of the store by John and Patsy in 1995, sold Taser brand hand-held stun guns, but would not have given the Ramseys a free instructional video tape unless the Ramseys had purchased a stun gun. The store more appropriately would have given the Ramseys a brochure.

Moreover, John Ramsey never admitted that the stun gun instructional tape was in Spanish; he only admitted that a video catalog from Spy World arrived in the mail "later", and the catalog was in Spanish.

The stun gun is missing along with a lot of other crime scene evidence, such as the roll of black duct tape, the rest of the white nylon cord, a pair of size 6 panties, the tip of the wooden paint brush handle, the wipe-down cloth, the nine notebook pages, Burke's Hi-Tec hiking boots, the red ink pen, and the murder weapon. The missing crime scene evidence strongly suggests there was a fifth person in the house that night who was there at the invitation of a Ramsey and who took as much incriminating evidence with him as the perps could think of -- including the stun gun.

BlueCrab

BlueCrab,

Interesting information, but why would another family member sanction, or a family friend need to use a stun-gun on JonBenet she was just 6-years old?


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[BlueCrab]

This crime is as it seems, a rage killing involving the parents. Most crimes are as they seem and this one is no different.

Solace,

So, according to you, the parents tortured their six-year-old daughter with a stun gun, sexually abused her, viciously garroted her, split her skull in two with a powerful smash to the head, and then wrote an amateurish fake ransom note in an effort to cover up their crime.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. No parents in the history of crime have ever come close to doing that to one of their children.

BlueCrab

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab,

Interesting information, but why would another family member sanction, or a family friend need to use a stun-gun on JonBenet she was just 6-years old?


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UKGuy,

IMO, sadistic torture.

BlueCrab

 

[Solace]

Solace,

So, according to you, the parents tortured their six-year-old daughter with a stun gun, sexually abused her, viciously garroted her, split her skull in two with a powerful smash to the head, and then wrote an amateurish fake ransom note in an effort to cover up their crime.

Sorry, but I don't buy it. No parents in the history of crime have ever come close to doing that to one of their children.

BlueCrab

Again, as I have posted before and you read it, I do NOT believe a stun gun was used. Blue Crab, so you are an expert on what parents can do to their children. This was a rage killing and the rest is staging to cover it up. Once again. There is no stun gun used. The garrotting is a staging, the sexual assault is a staging, the crush to the skull is an accident perpretated by a much stronger adult to a 40 pound child whose hands looked like the size of a toddler. A man was just arrested for holding his newborn and smashing her head against the sink. So in the history of crime, I would say parents have come close and have done worse if it is possible. Give me some proof and I will agree. You are suppositioning down the line, and imo, with no good evidence. You have a Lou Smit theory that has been taken into account exhaustively and it does not work.

It does not work BlueCrab. These are abrasions as quoted by Meyer in his autopsy report. Lou Smit as I have posted this is the closest thing they have to a stun gun. So please do not quote Meyer to me from Perfect Murder. We have been through that. It is not working. A stun gun was not used that night. It was rage and a cover up and someone tried desperately to wake her.

 

[santos1014]

Sorry, but I don't buy it. No parents in the history of crime have ever come close to doing that to one of their children.

BlueCrab


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I am sorry to say, but parents over the course of history, have done worse to their children. From Jeffery McDonald, to Darlie Routier, to the woman in Tx, that cut off her infant daughter's arms, to the woman that is accused of putting her baby in the microwave. There is even a case of parents that killed their baby and then let the dogs eat the body to cover up all evidence and said she was kidnapped.
Sad, but true, parents have, and will continue to ravage their innocent children.

 

[BlueCrab]

Again, as I have posted before and you read it, I do NOT believe a stun gun was used.

Solace,

That's fine. Believe whatever you want to believe. I'll go with the forensic experts who say the marks on JonBenet were consistent with stun gun injuries.

BlueCrab

 

[Ames]

IMO the Ramseys owned a stun gun. Why else would an INSTRUCTIONAL video tape on stun guns, IN ENGLISH, NOT SPANISH, be found in the house? Spy World in Miami, where it was likely purchased and carried out of the store by John and Patsy in 1995, sold Taser brand hand-held stun guns, but would not have given the Ramseys a free instructional video tape unless the Ramseys had purchased a stun gun. The store more appropriately would have given the Ramseys a brochure.

Moreover, John Ramsey never admitted that the stun gun instructional tape was in Spanish; he only admitted that a video catalog from Spy World arrived in the mail "later", and the catalog was in Spanish.

The stun gun is missing along with a lot of other crime scene evidence, such as the roll of black duct tape, the rest of the white nylon cord, a pair of size 6 panties, the tip of the wooden paint brush handle, the wipe-down cloth, the nine notebook pages, Burke's Hi-Tec hiking boots, the red ink pen, and the murder weapon. The missing crime scene evidence strongly suggests there was a fifth person in the house that night who was there at the invitation of a Ramsey and who took as much incriminating evidence with him as the perps could think of -- including the stun gun.

BlueCrab

I do not believe that the marks were caused by a stun gun...my question is though, does it really matter if the Ramsey had an intruction video or book, written in Spanish....how hard could it be to figure out how to use the thing...don't you just put it against someone skin and press a button? I wouldn't think that anyone would need a manual or video to teach them THAT.

 

[coloradokares]

Sorry, but I don't buy it. No parents in the history of crime have ever come close to doing that to one of their children.

BlueCrab


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I am sorry to say, but parents over the course of history, have done worse to their children. From Jeffery McDonald, to Darlie Routier, to the woman in Tx, that cut off her infant daughter's arms, to the woman that is accused of putting her baby in the microwave. There is even a case of parents that killed their baby and then let the dogs eat the body to cover up all evidence and said she was kidnapped.
Sad, but true, parents have, and will continue to ravage their innocent children.

this morings news out of Pennsylvania was about the little toddler that had been found presumed frozen to death about a 10 minute walk from the home. The father now has told the police the little girl got up and did not want to go to bed. He struck her so hard that she lost conciousness. He then wrapped her up in a blanket. Put her in a wooded area about 10 minutes from the house where she was found 2 days later Frozen to death after having been reported missing.....

As I read this I thought. Forgive me .... he should have wrote a three page ransom note....Maybe he'd of gotten away with it and 10 years from now some caring people would be on forums debating had it been him his wife or some small foreign faction. I don't mean to be glib. Or in any way make light of this poor precious childs death. Or JonBenet's. My only point is YES Parents Mothers and Fathers both kill their children. Apprarently if you read the article you'll see this toddler had the habit of getting up in the night. Who knows if this father in a moment half asleep and tired beyond belief just snapped?

I read this on the US Associated Press it was a story breaking 2 hours ago. Niya Page was the little toddlers name. William Lorenzo Page the fathers. Yes in the history of crime it DOES happen . It should NEVER happen but it does.

 

[santos1014]

this morings news out of Pennsylvania was about the little toddler that had been found presumed frozen to death about a 10 minute walk from the home. The father now has told the police the little girl got up and did not want to go to bed. He struck her so hard that she lost conciousness. He then wrapped her up in a blanket. Put her in a wooded area about 10 minutes from the house where she was found 2 days later Frozen to death after having been reported missing.....

As I read this I thought. Forgive me .... he should have wrote a three page ransom note....Maybe he'd of gotten away with it and 10 years from now some caring people would be on forums debating had it been him his wife or some small foreign faction. I don't mean to be glib. Or in any way make light of this poor precious childs death. Or JonBenet's. My only point is YES Parents Mothers and Fathers both kill their children. Apprarently if you read the article you'll see this toddler had the habit of getting up in the night. Who knows if this father in a moment half asleep and tired beyond belief just snapped?

I read this on the US Associated Press it was a story breaking 2 hours ago. Niya Page was the little toddlers name. William Lorenzo Page the fathers. Yes in the history of crime it DOES happen . It should NEVER happen but it does.

Filicide. It happens and will continue to happen.
This is another sad case. CK, I know you aren't trying to be glib, but you made a valid point.
Makes my heart heavy.

 

[coloradokares]

Filicide. It happens and will continue to happen.
This is another sad case. CK, I know you aren't trying to be glib, but you made a valid point.
Makes my heart heavy.

Took me 15 minutes to compose myself enough to even post. Poor little baby first she is struck in the head with such blunt force she is knocked unconcious then left in the dead of winter to freeze to death. When I think of it ... I get physically ill.