Sunday 6/2/13 on True Crime Radio - Elaine Redwine

[cluciano63]

I don't know that the content or the correspondent re: the last communication is very important, as whatever it was, it does not seem to have provided any clue as to what happened to Dylan. I think the time may be the only real clue of importance here.

 

[Dee10]

Yes, I do believe it's true - that the phone company has the local incoming and outgoing calls, that LE would have access to it, but that a regular customer would not necessarily have access to it.

I've always had long distance calls show on my landline bills over the years, but never the local calls, regardless of who I was getting my service from.

The article stated the customer had to specifically request a detailed bill and most companies will only go back 3 to 6 months depending on the carrier. I think LE would have certainly gained access to the detailed logs with the phone company in the early days maybe with a SW.

 

[Lordeebee]

Quote (not perfect, could have missed a couple "ands, thats, etc.)

Dylan was sitting on the end of the couch texting with somebody and I argued that and argued that and argued that and argued that. Now I'll be quite honest with you, I don't know if he was texting on his phone or if he was texting on his ipod, it later came out that apparently he was texting on his ipod. I didn't he the way he was sittin I couldn't see what device he was using, all I did was argue over and over and over and over again with law enforcement that he was sittin on the edge of the couch and he was texting his friends and he was doing something so ya know again I don't know the device that he was on. But ya know I argued.

These were all things that were going on, we were watching the movie together, he had bought a movie at Walmart um obviously the receipt from the Walmart the authorities were given so they could see that the movies were purchased, they know that the DVD player existed because it was hooked up to the DVD, or DVD itself with his finger prints all over it. We were doing all of this as we were watching the movie and that and so ya know in slow parts of it we would get up and go to the bathroom or wander into the kitchen. I was finishing up doing something that I needed to mail to Elaine and got that taken care of, I mean there were several things going on at the time simultaneously.

IMO, this is a very critical part of the evening. It seems so important to MR (argued OVER and OVER) to make it clear that Dylan was indeed there and texting during that time slot. When I hear it, it's like there is so much activity going on in those moments. How many simultaneous things can there be happening when you're sitting around up in the mountains watching a movie with your child?

I get the impression that Dylan and MR are arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing, until Dylan gets up and walks (or runs) out the door:

Let's be honest here, only one of two ya know there's only several possibilities here: Dylan walked out that door, he either walked out that door and knowlingly got into a vehicle with someone that he knew or he headed out to a destination and never made it, I mean what are the other possibilities.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Understood. I also saw some sites that say you can't tell a person is lying at all. I don't know if I believe that, but :dunno:

The main thing I was trying to get across was how important it is to use links - not that the information is necessarily scientific. :kimsterwink:

A holistic approach is required, imo. Micro expressions, a baseline for how the person speaks and uses language when no deception is involved at all, and other body cues such as sweating, nose touching etc. I have read that using "to be honest" or "frankly" are indicative of deception but I know that I use those words when I think my message is likely to be unpopular yet I feel compelled to be honest. I do it so that the other person knows that I am holding back nothing.

I have been looking for an article that that talks about the way I use those words, but I haven't found one. I think MR has been under our microscope and may feel that what he has to say is unpopular, yet he was on the radio show and was being forthright as he could.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Quote (not perfect, could have missed a couple "ands, thats, etc.)

Dylan was sitting on the end of the couch texting with somebody and I argued that and argued that and argued that and argued that. Now I'll be quite honest with you, I don't know if he was texting on his phone or if he was texting on his ipod, it later came out that apparently he was texting on his ipod. I didn't he the way he was sittin I couldn't see what device he was using, all I did was argue over and over and over and over again with law enforcement that he was sittin on the edge of the couch and he was texting his friends and he was doing something so ya know again I don't know the device that he was on. But ya know I argued.

These were all things that were going on, we were watching the movie together, he had bought a movie at Walmart um obviously the receipt from the Walmart the authorities were given so they could see that the movies were purchased, they know that the DVD player existed because it was hooked up to the DVD, or DVD itself with his finger prints all over it. We were doing all of this as we were watching the movie and that and so ya know in slow parts of it we would get up and go to the bathroom or wander into the kitchen. I was finishing up doing something that I needed to mail to Elaine and got that taken care of, I mean there were several things going on at the time simultaneously.

IMO, this is a very critical part of the evening. It seems so important to MR (argued OVER and OVER) to make it clear that Dylan was indeed there and texting during that time slot. When I hear it, it's like there is so much activity going on in those moments. How many simultaneous things can there be happening when you're sitting around up in the mountains watching a movie with your child?

I get the impression that Dylan and MR are arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing, until Dylan gets up and walks (or runs) out the door:

Let's be honest here, only one of two ya know there's only several possibilities here: Dylan walked out that door, he either walked out that door and knowlingly got into a vehicle with someone that he knew or he headed out to a destination and never made it, I mean what are the other possibilities.

WOW- that's almost exactly the parts I noted when I listened this morning. You heard what I heard. I think he did argue and argue over and over with someone but it wasn't LE, IMO.

 

[mijamawi]

I don't know that the content or the correspondent re: the last communication is very important, as whatever it was, it does not seem to have provided any clue as to what happened to Dylan. I think the time may be the only real clue of importance here.

I just can't get out of my mind something planned that Dylan was possibly in on to get him out of MR's house. I can't shake it, and it's one of the main reasons I'm still humpty dumptying it.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

WOW- that's almost exactly the parts I noted when I listened this morning. You heard what I heard. I think he did argue and argue over and over with someone but it wasn't LE, IMO.

What decent interrogator would not go over and over and over those moments with Mark Redwine?

I believe they did. I believe MR kept telling them over and over what happened. I believe this part of what MR said on the show with Tricia.

 

[cluciano63]

I just can't get out of my mind something planned that Dylan was possibly in on to get him out of MR's house. I can't shake it, and it's one of the main reasons I'm still humpty dumptying it.

Not sure what you mean?
And if it was the case, then surely LE would have more of an idea what the he** happened to him, or at least, by whom?

 

[mijamawi]

Quote (not perfect, could have missed a couple "ands, thats, etc.)

Dylan was sitting on the end of the couch texting with somebody and I argued that and argued that and argued that and argued that. Now I'll be quite honest with you, I don't know if he was texting on his phone or if he was texting on his ipod, it later came out that apparently he was texting on his ipod. I didn't he the way he was sittin I couldn't see what device he was using, all I did was argue over and over and over and over again with law enforcement that he was sittin on the edge of the couch and he was texting his friends and he was doing something so ya know again I don't know the device that he was on. But ya know I argued.

These were all things that were going on, we were watching the movie together, he had bought a movie at Walmart um obviously the receipt from the Walmart the authorities were given so they could see that the movies were purchased, they know that the DVD player existed because it was hooked up to the DVD, or DVD itself with his finger prints all over it. We were doing all of this as we were watching the movie and that and so ya know in slow parts of it we would get up and go to the bathroom or wander into the kitchen. I was finishing up doing something that I needed to mail to Elaine and got that taken care of, I mean there were several things going on at the time simultaneously.

IMO, this is a very critical part of the evening. It seems so important to MR (argued OVER and OVER) to make it clear that Dylan was indeed there and texting during that time slot. When I hear it, it's like there is so much activity going on in those moments. How many simultaneous things can there be happening when you're sitting around up in the mountains watching a movie with your child?

I get the impression that Dylan and MR are arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing, until Dylan gets up and walks (or runs) out the door:

Let's be honest here, only one of two ya know there's only several possibilities here: Dylan walked out that door, he either walked out that door and knowlingly got into a vehicle with someone that he knew or he headed out to a destination and never made it, I mean what are the other possibilities.

Perhaps in an initial interview with MR, they were asking why Dylan stopped communication at 8:00 PM, and MR argued that as far as he knew Dylan was still texting well past that. If I see something and someone tells me I didn't see it, I'm gonna argue. JMO

 

[mijamawi]

Not sure what you mean?
And if it was the case, then surely LE would have more of an idea what the he** happened to him, or at least, by whom?

Perhaps they do.

ETA: I use 'perhaps' a lot. I wonder what that means about me.

 

[mijamawi]

A holistic approach is required, imo. Micro expressions, a baseline for how the person speaks and uses language when no deception is involved at all, and other body cues such as sweating, nose touching etc. I have read that using "to be honest" or "frankly" are indicative of deception but I know that I use those words when I think my message is likely to be unpopular yet I feel compelled to be honest. I do it so that the other person knows that I am holding back nothing.

I have been looking for an article that that talks about the way I use those words, but I haven't found one. I think MR has been under our microscope and may feel that what he has to say is unpopular, yet he was on the radio show and was being forthright as he could.

The big thing for the teen/tweens right now is TBH. They post TBH, someone likes and/or comments, and the OP writes how they honestly feel about that person. OT, but just thought I'd share.

 

[Tricia]

I would like to believe that MK would help any parent of a missing child, as long as that parent is cooperative and helping themself as well.

If I remember correctly The KlaasKids Search Organization requires an invitation from local law enforcement to come into a city and organize a search.

But it is still a good thing he reached out to Marc Klaas. I'm sure Marc or someone within the organization can offer a lot of help to Mark Redwine.

 

[katydid23]

Dylan was sitting on the end of the couch texting with somebody and I argued that and argued that and argued that and argued that. Now I'll be quite honest with you, I don't know if he was texting on his phone or if he was texting on his ipod, it later came out that apparently he was texting on his ipod. I didn't he the way he was sittin I couldn't see what device he was using, all I did was argue over and over and over and over again with law enforcement that he was sittin on the edge of the couch and he was texting his friends and he was doing something so ya know again I don't know the device that he was on. But ya know I argued.

These were all things that were going on, we were watching the movie together, he had bought a movie at Walmart um obviously the receipt from the Walmart the authorities were given so they could see that the movies were purchased, they know that the DVD player existed because it was hooked up to the DVD, or DVD itself with his finger prints all over it. We were doing all of this as we were watching the movie and that and so ya know in slow parts of it we would get up and go to the bathroom or wander into the kitchen. I was finishing up doing something that I needed to mail to Elaine and got that taken care of, I mean there were several things going on at the time simultaneously.

IMO, this is a very critical part of the evening. It seems so important to MR (argued OVER and OVER) to make it clear that Dylan was indeed there and texting during that time slot. When I hear it, it's like there is so much activity going on in those moments. How many simultaneous things can there be happening when you're sitting around up in the mountains watching a movie with your child?

I get the impression that Dylan and MR are arguing and arguing and arguing and arguing, until Dylan gets up and walks (or runs) out the door:

Let's be honest here, only one of two ya know there's only several possibilities here: Dylan walked out that door, he either walked out that door and knowlingly got into a vehicle with someone that he knew or he headed out to a destination and never made it, I mean what are the other possibilities.==========================

"NOW I will be quite honest with you. " Does that mean you weren't being honest before, or won't be honest later?

Let's be honest here, only one of two ya know there's only several possibilities here:

I noticed that he did not list one or two of the other possibilities. Like maybe something happened to Dylan under his fathers watch.

 

[cluciano63]

Perhaps they do.

ETA: I use 'perhaps' a lot. I wonder what that means about me.

Well what I think they think, and what you may think they think,are probably not the same, lol...

 

[katydid23]

Perhaps they do.

ETA: I use 'perhaps' a lot. I wonder what that means about me.

I have never seen any mention of the word 'perhaps' as being deceptive or sensitive. :wink:

 

[Bayou Mistress]

The way to check out impressions and or whether or not someone is lying is to look for outside verification. In the case of arguments around and about texting, we would have to ask law enforcement if this was a focal point in their interviews with MR. I don't expect them to ever answer that, to tell you the truth. (notice use of an honesty qualifier) But it only makes sense that ever bit of MR's last interactions with his son were questioned over and over and over again. To the point of feeling like an argument. The impression that Dylan and Mark argued that evening are unsupported by any circumstance.

 

[mijamawi]

Well what I think they think, and what you may think they think,are probably not the same, lol...

I would say you were right if I actually thought I knew what they were thinking. The thing is, I don't have a clue.

Reason # 43910 why I'm still :fence:

 

[Emma Ems]

I still think that last text at 9:37 is a key. I also think it came from his iTouch. Now, who was it to and what did it say? And, why didn't he use his regular cell to send that message? Was it a text to someone he didn't want anyone to know about?

Remember LE said they found his email texting account.

MR saying he was arguing with LE about Dylan texting later and then learning about the later text, one that ER was not aware of since she thought his last communication was 8:01 PM, makes me think there's something there. IMO

I am curious how they found his texting account on his Ipod touch and did they cover all texting accounts on it? How would they figure that out? There are several texting apps available on iTunes. If the iPod was not recovered, how do they know if he only has one, or two, or three?

I am trying to catch up, it's been a busy day but there were a few things I wanted to comment on earlier that I just didn't have the time to do. The iPods, three, left there over time by Dylan? Did I see that right? My show cut out around that time for a second so I missed some of that. The first thought that came to my mind is that if Dylan left all three iPods, that he borrowed from someone else, over at MR's house, is "irresponsible." If Dylan is this "irresponsible" to leave someone else's iPod at someone else's house, then how I am suppose to be convinced that he took both his iPod charger and phone charger with him?

The other thing I wanted to say, is I keep seeing people speaking about the jabs that MR makes at ER and CR, but why is it that they are given a pass for the jabs they make at him? Are they all not "grieving victims" right now? I really do not understand this. ER speaks out in frustration about Dylan being missing, but not only is MR having to cope with Dylan being missing, he is also having to cope with being accused of doing something to Dylan, having people threatening him online, people taking pictures of him at his home, and frankly I believe he is completely isolated within his community. Tricia, you asked a question about MR taking someone on a search with him and my first response was, "Who? Who is he suppose to take with him, when it seems everyone in the community hates him?"

 

[Dee10]

Mark still hasn't explained where did they toss the Nerf football, for how long etc. If you remember in the lst or 2nd interview, he mentioned when they came home they toss around the football & went to bed IIRC. It was only later football was out (not mentioned) & that they watched "Adventureland". To further add confusion, on the SW (he produced) a totally different movie was seized "Role Model". :doh:

ETA - Tricia if you interview Mark again would you please ask him the details regarding the Nerf football ~ TIA.

 

[Lordeebee]

What decent interrogator would not go over and over and over those moments with Mark Redwine?

I believe they did. I believe MR kept telling them over and over what happened. I believe this part of what MR said on the show with Tricia.

I thoroughly agree that interrogators probably went over and over those moments with MR, and also that he was being truthful with Tricia on this part of the interview. I think it's because LE is taking great interest in exactly these particular moments, shortly after MR and Dylan returned home. I believe MR also understands why these moments are very important, and that's why he argued and argued.