Supreme Court Nominee #2

[EuTuCroquet?]

Excuse me. I NEVER suggested CF is a Democratic "operative." She asked for confidentiality and didn't receive it. That's not her fault, it is squarely the fault of her attorneys. Kindly stop misrepresenting my posts. Thanks.

We don't know who leaked her story.

 

[fannneee]

Whomever didn't tell CF the committee was willing to come to Cali to interview her in private. The offer was made to her legal counsel. Perhaps you missed that part of the hearing.

I was watching live when that was said. I thought there was a lot of questionable things said in that hearing and I thought that was one of them. They have gaslighting down to a science. Just look at the back and forth with DJT and the restrictions (or not) on the FBI investigation today. Someone asked earlier if we aren't exhaused. Yes I am tired of being gaslighted. I feel like I am in an abusive relationship.

 

[Inthedetails]

What I found painfully true was when Ford said the worst part of the assault was hearing the laughter of the boys. And, when Renate recently signed a letter of support for Kavanaugh and then found out about the comments made about her in the boys' yearbooks.

That laughter, folks, is misogyny.

jmo

 

[Fairy1]

I have a very thick skin thank you and anyone who is qualified should run if they want. Power of the voters.

Run for what? The Supreme Court?

 

[MyBelle]

I was watching live when that was said. I thought there was a lot of questionable things said in that hearing and I thought that was one of them. They have gaslighting down to a science. Just look at the back and forth with DJT and the restrictions (or not) on the FBI investigation today. Someone asked earlier if we aren't exhaused. Yes I am tired of being gaslighted. I feel like I am in an abusive relationship.

I don't believe Prosecutor Mitchell gaslighted CF in any way. She was kind and respectful. JMO

 

[borndem]

Sen. Klobuchar discusses Kavanaugh hearings at Texas Tribune Festival

Sen. Klobuchar heard the emotional, dramatic testimony from both Dr. Ford and Judge Kavanaugh at a hearing Thursday at the Senate Judiciary Committee.

She made a dig at the festival Saturday at Republicans for not questioning Dr. Ford themselves and instead yielding their time to a female sex crimes prosecutor from Arizona.

"I think they outsourced their constitutional duty to her," Sen. Klobuchar said. "You know that old movie, 12 Angry Men, this was a variation of that -- 11 men trying not to look angry."​

bbm
Such chicken-hearted senators. They don't want DJT and their constituents seeing them ask BK anything that might make him uncomfortable. SMH. So obvious. They should be ashamed for not stepping up to do their part. Then they decided she had asked enough questions, and she was *POOF* gone. I had to laugh at that one.

 

[simba16]

Just watched SNL's News Update. It was hilarious, all about Blackout Brett: "Are the Republicans so pro life the don't ha be a Plan B?" And Notorious RBG showed up! Good stuff.

 

[borndem]

Sen. Feinstein wouldn't be right on this no matter what she did, she did what she thought best for the situation but you can't make everyone happy, especially those bent on spinning everything a democrat does as some sort of conspiracy. The critisism of how and when the information came to light is a red herring to distract from the issue.

Feinstein was asked to keep the info confidential and she did just that.

 

[Fairy1]

Whomever didn't tell CF the committee was willing to come to Cali to interview her in private. The offer was made to her legal counsel. Perhaps you missed that part of the hearing.

In the big picture, is this really important? Who really cares?

I'm afraid of flying, too. But since I can't actually walk or take another form of transportation to some places, I have to fly. Who cares?

 

[fannneee]

I don't believe Prosecutor Mitchell gaslighted CF in any way. She was kind and respectful. JMO

Prosecutor Mitchell didn't say it, Grassley did. I never mentioned Prosecutor Mitchell, but now that you mention it the Republicans sure didn't find her useful anymore when she started delving into that calendar a little too far.

"She may have actually done some damage to the nominee by beginning to question him about a party mentioned on his calendar, which appeared to involve at least two people Ford identified as being at the event where she says she was attacked. But Mitchell never returned to complete that line of questioning."

Rachel Mitchell's disappearing act confirms GOP blunder

 

[borndem]

He has always been a bad candidate.

Feingold questioned Kavanaugh, who had played a critical role in advancing the Bush administration’s judicial nominations, about his handling of the controversial nomination of Charles Pickering Sr. to serve on the Fifth Circuit. Kavanaugh feigned ignorance, claiming that “This was not one of the judicial nominees that I was primarily handling.”

In fact, as Feingold notes in a Huffington Post essay, “newly released emails show that Kavanaugh appeared to be the primary person handling Pickering’s nomination, at least by 2003, and was heavily involved in pushing for his confirmation as early as March 2002.

Allegations Against Kavanaugh Must Be Investigated, as Must His Lies Under Oath

Yes, I remember reading the article -- I guess Kavanaugh forgot about it...

 

[MyBelle]

In the big picture, is this really important? Who really cares?

I'm afraid of flying, too. But since I can't actually walk or take another form of transportation to some places, I have to fly. Who cares?

Those who care for the truth care. I'm betting CF and her family who have been receiving threats care. CF asked for confidentiality. Her request should have been respected. The Committee did offer to accommodate her request and the FBI will get to the bottom of it.

 

[borndem]

I hope BK is receiving dozens of calls from his closest friends advising him to withdraw, "For the good of his family and the Country". moo

If he were my husband <shudder>, I would encourage him to withdraw his name. Really & truly. His current position is very fine. And he could lose that one as well.
We'll see what the FBI finds out -- if they are allowed to truly do their jobs on this assignment.

 

[CARIIS]

I'm a democrat and I've never supported the exploitation of anyone purely for revenge. CF asked for confidentiality and her own attorneys ignored her request.

what is so amazing to me in this technology age is this huge focus on how the public finds out things.

When things the public finds out about are horrid the conversation should IMO automatically switch to the horrible thing witnessed not how we found out about it.

Our judicial system is a farce. It has not kept up with the times. Mass shooters on CCTV seen slaughtering people plead not guilty and the system spends a million tax payers bucks? It is ludicrous.

In the old days the notion of innocent until proven guilty had merit. Much merit. Times they have changed.

Anyone cuaght on tape committing a crime ought not to be able to tie up the court system by claiming not guilty. It defies logic.

Talk about until proven guilty - if your on tape doing something - you did it. The focus on how her horror became public is not the problem. The problem is a woman was violated .

All behavior has meaning. Motivation governs behavior. If anyone can come up with a common sense reason why an accomplished woman would end up where her life is at this time - lets hear it.

There is no reason on earth why someone would do anything she has done except for the credible reasons she has convincingly explained in front of the whole world.

This whole notion that this is a demo or rep deal just flat out makes zero sense.

The notion that Judges two books do not confirm everything that has been alleged by many people (with more to come) in and of itself defies logic of any sort.

Stupid stuff - really - the name Bart Kav or whatever it was might not be him. That is just silly. Ignoring code words that he wrote on his own yearbook page that are degrading to woman - his words.

No democrat made his yearbook nor wrote his best buddies memoirs of their repulsive youth. These are documents out of the players own words.

Where on earth are these seeds of doubts grown. It defies logic. There is no reason to doubt any of these folks horrible experiences with this vile man. It is not complicated nor foggy.

Sure we can go with he had a right to be angry. One has different expectations of ability to behave, no matter what the situation, in a professional manner. On global television no less.

His behavior the other day totally correlates to all the other descriptors we have of him. By people who have encountered him over time. He was humiliating to any American the other day. The whole world watched a person the American govt put up for the most important position in the nation. And behaved disgracefully.

Like it or not - their are expectations that do correlate with position. On a world stage his inability to behave like a professional IMO in and of itself is disqualifying. Would any of us like this guy deciding the law of our land.

I watched every minute of the confirmation hearings. Much like CCTV , with my own eyes I saw him make statements and time and time again I read documents sent by HIM that totally proved he had just lied (again) on national tv.

That is not a judgement call. Nor is it an opinion. I witnessed it with my own eyes. More than once. I am not confused or suspicious that he committed perjury. I watched it happen live in real time. A judge who commits perjury IMO is quite a problem for supreme court appointment..

In and of itself. Anyone who did not watch the entire four days is, respectfully, in no position to challenge his dishonesty. I saw it with my own eyes.

Not only was it unreal it was stupid. I learned reasonably early on (starting with Sessions hearings) in these hearings it is all about the questions. I am not that smart - if I caught on to it a judge certainly ought to know - the way the question is worded tells much.

If I ask you if you have shoplifted that is a question. When the question is on Oct 1 at 1034 AM did you enter the CVS store located at bla bla in aisle 6 on the right side of the isle did you place a 6 oz box of M& M in your right pocket of your green shorts - you can pretty easily determine that whomever is asking the question knows the answer already.

That kind of stuff in these hearings has been going on for the last 20 months. They become even more stunning when watched again a year later when all the stuff has come out - and to listen to a question asked 19 months ago that was so loaded - it is actually amazing.

They all knew and hid all sorts of stuff about this guys background. That is why for the first time in history did they refuse to give the standard documentation used in hearings for this position.

We are not talking about a clerical boo boo here. We are talking about pervasive and consistent overt burying of facts.

For a supreme court position - which is supposed to be about TRUTH - it is utterly disgusting. It is scary.

If one watches just the last week the way Gassy tried to play it . Must meet tomm, then in two days. then in two days later etc etc - there are reasons why he had to keep changing his demands - they all know all the stuff they have hidden.

The only way to determine what to conceal is to know what they say. There was a selection process going on. For months.


That IMO in and of itself ought to give anyone much pause.

Even when realizing the gig was up - they still had to throw in one final attempt not to get blown up . A limited investigation.

Would anyone want a limited investigation if someone they knew was murdered?

It is all in our faces guys, and the stench is intense.

I fear attempted rape might be kinda like the iceberg above the surface that sank the Titanic. 100,000 pages is a lot of information.


rant over thank you for indulging me.

 

[MyBelle]

Prosecutor Mitchell didn't say it, Grassley did. I never mentioned Prosecutor Mitchell, but now that you mention it the Republicans sure didn't find her useful anymore when she started delving into that calendar a little too far.

"She may have actually done some damage to the nominee by beginning to question him about a party mentioned on his calendar, which appeared to involve at least two people Ford identified as being at the event where she says she was attacked. But Mitchell never returned to complete that line of questioning."

Rachel Mitchell's disappearing act confirms GOP blunder

Mitchell was the only one who asked CF questions. It was obvious the 5-min. increments Ford's attorneys insisted upon wasn't working. Mitchell herself admitted it several times.

None of the people Ford identified as being present have corroborated her story. None. And that is creating incredible problems for her in terms of public perception. If her name had been kept confidential and she had been interviewed privately, she would not be subjected to the incredible media scrutiny she is now receiving. JMO

 

[borndem]

DBM

 

[borndem]

DBM
Wanted to say it, but I'd better not.

 

[MyBelle]

what is so amazing to me in this technology age is this huge focus on how the public finds out things.

When things the public finds out about are horrid the conversation should IMO automatically switch to the horrible thing witnessed not how we found out about it.

Our judicial system is a farce. It has not kept up with the times. Mass shooters on CCTV seen slaughtering people plead not guilty and the system spends a million tax payers bucks? It is ludicrous.

In the old days the notion of innocent until proven guilty had merit. Much merit. Times they have changed.

Anyone cuaght on tape committing a crime ought not to be able to tie up the court system by claiming not guilty. It defies logic.

Talk about until proven guilty - if your on tape doing something - you did it. The focus on how her horror became public is not the problem. The problem is a woman was violated .

All behavior has meaning. Motivation governs behavior. If anyone can come up with a common sense reason why an accomplished woman would end up where her life is at this time - lets hear it.

There is no reason on earth why someone would do anything she has done except for the credible reasons she has convincingly explained in front of the whole world.

This whole notion that this is a demo or rep deal just flat out makes zero sense.

The notion that Judges two books do not confirm everything that has been alleged by many people (with more to come) in and of itself defies logic of any sort.

Stupid stuff - really - the name Bart Kav or whatever it was might not be him. That is just silly. Ignoring code words that he wrote on his own yearbook page that are degrading to woman - his words.

No democrat made his yearbook nor wrote his best buddies memoirs of their repulsive youth. These are documents out of the players own words.

Where on earth are these seeds of doubts grown. It defies logic. There is no reason to doubt any of these folks horrible experiences with this vile man. It is not complicated nor foggy.

Sure we can go with he had a right to be angry. One has different expectations of ability to behave, no matter what the situation, in a professional manner. On global television no less.

His behavior the other day totally correlates to all the other descriptors we have of him. By people who have encountered him over time. He was humiliating to any American the other day. The whole world watched a person the American govt put up for the most important position in the nation. And behaved disgracefully.

Like it or not - their are expectations that do correlate with position. On a world stage his inability to behave like a professional IMO in and of itself is disqualifying. Would any of us like this guy deciding the law of our land.

I watched every minute of the confirmation hearings. Much like CCTV , with my own eyes I saw him make statements and time and time again I read documents sent by HIM that totally proved he had just lied (again) on national tv.

That is not a judgement call. Nor is it an opinion. I witnessed it with my own eyes. More than once. I am not confused or suspicious that he committed perjury. I watched it happen live in real time. A judge who commits perjury IMO is quite a problem for supreme court appointment..

In and of itself. Anyone who did not watch the entire four days is, respectfully, in no position to challenge his dishonesty. I saw it with my own eyes.

Not only was it unreal it was stupid. I learned reasonably early on (starting with Sessions hearings) in these hearings it is all about the questions. I am not that smart - if I caught on to it a judge certainly ought to know - the way the question is worded tells much.

If I ask you if you have shoplifted that is a question. When the question is on Oct 1 at 1034 AM did you enter the CVS store located at bla bla in aisle 6 on the right side of the isle did you place a 6 oz box of M& M in your right pocket of your green shorts - you can pretty easily determine that whomever is asking the question knows the answer already.

That kind of stuff in these hearings has been going on for the last 20 months. They become even more stunning when watched again a year later when all the stuff has come out - and to listen to a question asked 19 months ago that was so loaded - it is actually amazing.

They all knew and hid all sorts of stuff about this guys background. That is why for the first time in history did they refuse to give the standard documentation used in hearings for this position.

We are not talking about a clerical boo boo here. We are talking about pervasive and consistent overt burying of facts.

For a supreme court position - which is supposed to be about TRUTH - it is utterly disgusting. It is scary.

If one watches just the last week the way Gassy tried to play it . Must meet tomm, then in two days. then in two days later etc etc - there are reasons why he had to keep changing his demands - they all know all the stuff they have hidden.

The only way to determine what to conceal is to know what they say. There was a selection process going on. For months.


That IMO in and of itself ought to give anyone much pause.

Even when realizing the gig was up - they still had to throw in one final attempt not to get blown up . A limited investigation.

Would anyone want a limited investigation if someone they knew was murdered?

It is all in our faces guys, and the stench is intense.

I fear attempted rape might be kinda like the iceberg above the surface that sank the Titanic. 100,000 pages is a lot of information.


rant over thank you for indulging me.

The media has traditionally kept the names of sexual assault victims private out of respect to the victim. It is a matter of ethics. The accused do enjoy the right to due process. I don't consider that part of our judicial system to be a "farce." JMO

 

[borndem]

Seriously? So females are not allowed a life. NO prom, no birthday parties, no socializing, no movies... How about teaching young men not to attack females?

Hmmm, I guess I shouldn't have visited my best college friend at her apt when those nice two young fraternity brothers just knocked on her door, uninvited, and came in, and I guess I shouldn't have been upstairs in bed about to go to sleep. Damn.

 

[Fairy1]

The media has traditionally kept the names of sexual assault victims private out of respect to the victim. It is a matter of ethics. The accused do enjoy the right to due process. I don't consider that part of our judicial system to be a "farce." JMO

Enjoy? What an interesting word to use, under the circumstances.