Supreme Court Nominee #2

[Deleted member 39678]

The polygraph was administered on August 7 at the Hilton Hotel in Linthicum Heights, MD, and one week after Ford wrote her letter to Feinstein.

The date of the polygraph has always made me wonder why it was done.

It was way before it was decided that Dr Ford would go public. I was told in another thread that polygraphs are used to help in investigations. True.

If Dr Ford wanted the assault kept confidential there could not be any kind of public LE investigation because that would need her participation.

Did Feinstein suggest that a confidential LE investigation was possible and that's why the private polygraph was done? Why not one done by the FBI?

Things just don't add up for me. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

@CoolJ, I’ve been a journalist for 20+ years. I know this industry.

We can agree to disagree. That’s fine with me.

However, there are legitimate, honest, factual news sources out there.

My worry is that all the far left/right, biased bullcrap gets shouted out with bullhorns and clickbaity headlines. Sometimes the bullcrap is what everyone ends up fighting about.

It does make it more difficult to parse the nonbiased, honest reporting from the crapbirds stirring controversy just to earn big bucks off our gullibility.

If I could rate you as a journalist I would put you at far left from reading your posts.

 

[CoolJ]

So? I'm sure they most likely did. I'd bet that they told Blasey to bring it up so that it COULD be investigated by the FBI, if an FBI investigation followed. It's called due diligence, and well representing their client's interest. What is the problem with that?

So? I'm sure they most likely did. I'd bet that they told Blasey to bring it up so that it COULD be investigated by the FBI, if an FBI investigation followed. It's called due diligence, and well representing their client's interest. What is the problem with that?

Interesting. So you are saying you think Dr. Ford was being deceitful during her statements? I wasn’t willing to go that far, I was more thinking her Lawyers may have held that back from her.
You are ok it’s her being deceitful? It’s no big deal?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Rehobeth, Delaware, iirc. She was there for her grandmother’s funeral. She testified about this.

Yes and she couldn't remember if the polygraph was on the day of her grandmother's funeral or the day after. Seems like that would be a recent memorable event.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM and the Republican investigation will likewise be orchestrated for maximum impact.

ITA. I'm a democrat and I'm outraged at how CF has been exploited by the Dems and her own attorneys.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

It does appear the goal all along was to have a public, fully televised hearing in order to publicly humiliate Judge K. I don't believe the dems anticipated the intense public backlash over such disgusting tactics. JMO

Both Ford and Judge have previously made it clear they preferred to testify privately, not publicly. So, it’s a stretch to that was “the goal all along.” Moo

 

[Elley Mae]

1. Ford says she was in Delaware during some of the time she was making the accusations

Rehoboth Beach came up a lot during Ford's testimony to the Senate on Thursday. Ford said she visits family in Delaware once a year and travels by plane despite a fear of flying. She said she was in Rehoboth when she wrote to Sen. Dianne Feinstein about her assault allegations. She narrowed it down quite a bit at one point, noting she was talking on the phone in a Walgreens parking lot in Rehoboth during a key moment in the process in early August.

Delaware keeps coming up in Brett Kavanaugh's Supreme Court drama. Here's why

 

[Elley Mae]

The second is the letter that you wrote to Senator Feinstein, dated the — July 30th of this year.

FORD: Yes.

MITCHELL: Did you write the letter yourself?

FORD: I did.

MITCHELL: And I — since it’s dated July 30th, did you write it on that date?

FORD: I believe so. I — it sounds right. I was in Rehoboth, Delaware, at the time. I could look into my calendar and try to figure that out. It seemed…

Kavanaugh hearing: Transcript

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Yes and she couldn't remember if the polygraph was on the day of her grandmother's funeral or the day after. Seems like that would be a recent memorable event.

That was a strange response in my opinion.

Yes, both events were recent and should have been memorable. I remember my maternal grandmothers funeral clearly and it took place decades ago.

Maybe Dr Ford has memory issues that include recent events. That's not helpful. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

Kavanaugh accuser Christine Ford says Feinstein's office helped her find law firm

Kavanaugh accuser Christine Ford says Feinstein's office helped her find law firm

 

[Hope4More]

I don't know if CF's allegations against BK are true or not. It may have happened exactly as she said. It may have happened, but by someone else (two men have come forward saying they had committed the assault). Or it may not have happened at all. I don't know, no one here knows, and no one will ever know. Memories are, at best, imperfect and can be completely false despite the person being 100% sure. I've posted links previously regarding how common mistaken memories are.

As for "conspiring with the Dems to bring down BK"... I do not believe the world is that black and white. I do not know her motives, I don't know if she was motivated by patriotism or partisanship, if this is part of an assault victim's attempt to deal with the trauma or a 40 year old vendetta, or a little bit of all of these. I don't know if she "conspired" as you put it, or if she was unknowingly used for political purposes. (Feinstein did set her up with her lawyers)

But I do think she wrote that letter knowing the allegations would eventually be public. The lie detector test was in preparation for that.

And absolutely everything in DC is planned out for maximum political impact.

For what it's worth, I do believe she was assaulted in some fashion by someone. Beyond that, I would like to see something reasonably contemporaneous corroborating her allegations.

I think Mccarthyism was a stain on our democracy. I hate to see a resurgence in any form. Unconfirmed allegations should not destroy a person's career.

I believe her. I believe it is absurd to say she was assaulted, but mixed up about who assaulted her. I believe it is vile to suggest she dreamed it up or it never happened. I think it is even more vile to suggest she lied & accused K out of partisanship, or acting on a vendetta (why have one if K never assaulted her). Those are my opinions.

I'm concluding that presenting facts here is kinda pointless, but one last time.

The lie dectector test & timing & suggesting she already knew she was going to go public.

Look at the chronology, the actual undisputed, verifiable timeline. The initial reaching out to WaPo tipline & her rep was BEFORE K was nominated, and after he had been put on a short list.

No response to her. Time went by. K was actually nominated. She says she was hugely conflicted, but then did send a letter to Feinstein. It looked like he was going be confirmed. Why get annihilated? She spoke with friends who urged her to get a lawyer (just in case she wanted to go forward, or to protect herself because she had already written Feinstein. The lawyer advised her to do the lie detector test. The confirmation was being rushed along- far faster than is typical, and with over 90% of materials not turned over. Any good lawyer would have told her to line up what she could to bolster credibility. Telling her to do so wouldn't be evidence that either she or her lawyers intended that she go public. She remained conflicted until reporters invaded her privacy at home & at work.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes and she couldn't remember if the polygraph was on the day of her grandmother's funeral or the day after. Seems like that would be a recent memorable event.

I don't understand why a poly would be scheduled so close to an emotional event. I'm sure the FBI will be closely examining the results.

 

[Spellbound]

A doctor in New Mexico? Do you have a link? I would like to read that.

Might be this one: Senate Democrats Investigate a New Allegation of Sexual Misconduct, from the Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s College Years

 

[Hope4More]

I feel very sorry for her too since her name has been blasted in the media. To be brought into this must be a nightmare for her and her family. She has said from day one she wasn't ever at any party attended by BK....

She has no motive to lie. None...CB was her close friend. She shouldn't be expected to tell anything but the truth which she has done under the penalty of a felony. Yet some seem to insist she tells untruths to support her close high school friend.

Of course she is willing to speak to the investigators but she knows the truth remains the same.

If she actually knew anything she would be more than willing to help her close high school friend but she doesn't know anything about any of it and she isn't going to lie for anyone..even someone she has fond feelings for.

Imo.

Who the heck is saying she should lie?! I haven't seen anyone, anywhere, say that. Not here, not there, not anywhere.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

If I could rate you as a journalist I would put you at far left from reading your posts.

No. You’d be wrong. That’s what’s frustrating about this business.

I’m liberal in the scholarly sense. I’m open minded. I believe in equality. I believe in learning something new every day. (And I mean every single day.)

I believe in facts and research and drawing conclusions based on those things.

I’ve never worked in a newsroom that practiced prior restraint. I’ve never run a newsroom that believed in or practiced prior restraint.

I know that I don’t know everything. I never will. I strive to be fair and accurate and never, ever intentionally injure anyone. When I make a mistake, I correct it.

I’m not reporting here.

That’s not what this forum is about.

I have a right to share my informed opinions here, just like you do.

And I know when and where the appropriate time and place is to do so. Here is the appropriate place. The newsroom isn’t.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't understand why a poly would be scheduled so close to an emotional event. I'm sure the FBI will be closely examining the results.

I would think that taking the polygraph on the same day as your grandmothers funeral could influence the results.

But then again I believe that polygraphs are unreliable so it wouldn't matter much to me. JMO

 

[Hope4More]

Interesting. So you are saying you think Dr. Ford was being deceitful during her statements? I wasn’t willing to go that far, I was more thinking her Lawyers may have held that back from her.
You are ok it’s her being deceitful? It’s no big deal?

What? I am saying no such thing. You completely misunderstood what I wrote. I honestly don't know how that's possible, but no, you are wrong about what I said and believe.

 

[MyBelle]

Both Ford and Judge have previously made it clear they preferred to testify privately, not publicly. So, it’s a stretch to that was “the goal all along.” Moo

Not a stretch at all in my opinion but by all means feel free to scroll and roll.

Judge hasn't publicly testified nor was he asked to do so. JMO

 

[Mica]

Yes and she couldn't remember if the polygraph was on the day of her grandmother's funeral or the day after. Seems like that would be a recent memorable event.

**Edited to add - after re-reading Ford’s comment, I gather Ford was heading to NH later in the day and the polygrapher was willing to meet up with her at a convenient location since she was on a time constraint. Her grandmother’s funeral was in MD, so he met her at the Hilton Hotel. I misunderstood when I first read the text. Wanted to correct my error.




According to this article, Ford says the polygrapher came to her in New Hampshire. That’s not where the test was given.

>>snip

Throughout her questioning, Ford revealed how she came to her decision to go public and the how she left her grandmother’s funeral to take a polygraph test on the incident.

'I had left my grandmother’s funeral at Fort Lincoln Cemetery that day and was on a tight schedule to get a plane to Manchester, New Hampshire, so [Jeremiah Hanafin, the polygraph administrator] was willing to come to me, which was appreciated,' she said.

'So he administered a polygraph on the day that you attended your grandmother’s funeral?,' Mitchell.

'Correct,' Ford replied. 'It might have been the next day. I spent the night in the hotel.'

Ford said her primary memory of taking the test was ‘crying a lot.'

Asked why she took it, Ford said: ‘I didn't see any reason not to do it.’

'I found it extremely stressful,' she said. 'Much longer than I anticipated. I told my whole life story, I felt like. I endured it. It was fine.'

Kavanaugh hearing: Christine Ford says allegation against SC nominee not political | Daily Mail Online

 

[Elley Mae]

One down.

The fourth person of interest to the FBI is Deborah Ramirez, the woman who has accused the judge of thrusting his penis in her face at a party during his freshman year at Yale University. The FBI has reportedly already contacted her.

Dianne Feinstein demands White House directive to FBI on Kavanaugh