Supreme Court Nominee #2

[MyBelle]

I posted the scientific studies on teenage drinking, I think the science shows that alcoholism progresses as a disease, Therein lies the problem.

There has been no evidence whatsoever that BK was an alcoholic 35 years ago or is one now. JMO

 

[kaen]

This entire process was orchestrated. They totally underestimated Republicans ability to connect the obvious dots. Repubs also don't underestimate the intelligence of the public the way the dems have done. JMO

I think you are right. The whole process has been orchestrated. (Even Mitch McConnell had not wanted Kavanaugh, according to news outlets on the left and right.) Choosing Kavanaugh, one of the most controversial of all the Federalists, was a plan to really stick it to the Dems. Keeping his files out from the sunlight was also orchestrated. The sham here is both parties on so many levels over time. There is little statesman(woman)ship and an ability to work for the good of the country.

Years ago with Thomas, a Republican president asked for an investigation because he wanted to get to the facts and make sure the nominee was cleared. In this case, Kavanaugh's writings, opinions and behavior (wasn't he the one that wanted Clinton to have to tell all in a public forum?) were all sanitized by not releasing them. These are also obvious dots.

Underestimate intelligence? I have yet to see a politician who doesn't on both sides of that aisle.

Seems to me that this line of thinking has really strayed from the topic. This is about Kavanaugh and accusations about his behavior when under the influence. It is time to get back to that.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That was the story put out there by some Republicans and it spread as it was meant to do.
Also what happened to the two guys that the Republicans were in contact with that said they may be the guilty party?
The Democrats said they hadn't been informed about the two guys until the media reported the story 12 hours before Ford was to testify.
Anyone heard anything more about the two guys?
Also wasn't it a Republican blogger that blogged about a Kavanaugh look a like that was actually a friend of Ford. Story later retracted by blogger. IMO

I am a registered Republican but I'm not putting out any stories.

As soon as I heard the story of "the two guys" I posted here that it seemed to be too convenient to be true. Why are you posting this in a reply to my post?

 

[human]

There has been no evidence whatsoever that BK was an alcoholic 35 years ago or is one now. JMO

Why do you say that?

 

[kaen]

No, he was told she is a victim and treated her as a victim.

He did his job. He didn't treat her like a victim. He did the polygraph according to how LEO does. If you have a link as to the professional work he did as being less than or inadequate, could you post it?

 

[kimlynn]

To be honest as far as I can tell Dr Ford believes everything she has said is true. I have no reason to believe she is purposely lying.

But with her poor memory, which includes problems remembering recent important events, I can not use her testimony to alter my opinion on the confirmation of Judge Kavanaugh. JMO

For the most part I think she did really well answering the questions. She may have stumbled on a few but that could be due to stress or being tired.
How do you feel about evasive or non answers while testifying as Kavanaugh did.IMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

For the most part I think she did really well answering the questions. She may have stumbled on a few but that could be due to stress or being tired.
How do you feel about evasive or non answers while testifying as Kavanaugh did.IMO

I think he did quiet well considering he was under attack. Better than I would have done.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

There has been no evidence whatsoever that BK was an alcoholic 35 years ago or is one now. JMO

True. There’s only evidence that he has a history of being a problem, some say belligerent, heavy drinker. Which he was seemingly untruthful about before the judiciary committee, among other things.

 

[kaen]

There has been no evidence whatsoever that BK was an alcoholic 35 years ago or is one now. JMO

Interestingly, the nominee did not answer questions about his drinking. In fact, whenever he was questioned about his drinking, he deflected beyond saying he liked beer and still likes beer or belligerently asked the people questioning him if they drank. His college peers have said he drank to excess. He talked about getting off a bus drunk after a trip he organized at Yale. People have noted that he was drunk when he barged into girl's dorm rooms at Yale. He admits that he has thrown up after drinking due to his weak stomach. not necessarily evidence from 2018 but certainly something that should be investigated as it comes to these allegations.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

He did his job. He didn't treat her like a victim. He did the polygraph according to how LEO does. If you have a link as to the professional work he did as being less than or inadequate, could you post it?

He did an excellent job. All of two (or one) questions where handled very professionally. JMO

 

[kimlynn]

I am a registered Republican but I'm not putting out any stories.

As soon as I heard the story of "the two guys" I posted here that it seemed to be too convenient to be true. Why are you posting this in a reply to my post?

Sorry, I should have put some Republicans in the Senate put that story out.But who knows where they got it from?
I replied to you because you posted that you thought it was someone other than Kavanaugh that had assaulted Ford. I wondered if you came to that conclusion based on the stories that were floating around.
If you don't think it was Kavanaugh I'm curious as to why? IMO

 

[MyBelle]

To be honest as far as I can tell Dr Ford believes everything she has said is true. I have no reason to believe she is purposely lying.

But with her poor memory, which includes problems remembering recent important events, I can not use her testimony to alter my opinion on the confirmation of Judge Kavanaugh. JMO

ITA. We were stunned when she couldn't remember recent details such as the day of the poly. She also claimed not to know the Comte offered to come to Cali. How could she possibly not know that? The public was aware of it because the media was all over it. Very bizarre. JMO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I think they’re holding on to those two guys and will try to trot them out if they see a need for more subterfuge.

Supposedly, Graham says he doesn't believe the two men. I doubt we’ve heard the last of them, though, tbh.

Graham dismisses two men who claim Ford may have mistaken Kavanaugh for them

Two men say they, not Brett Kavanaugh, had alleged sexual encounter with Christine Ford

The previously unknown interviews could add a new layer to the evolving saga on the eve of a possible explosive hearing between Kavanaugh and Ford, though it's unknown whether the men's claims are being taken seriously.

One of the men was interviewed twice by committee staff. He also submitted two written statements, one on Monday and a second, more in-depth statement on Wednesday.

Committee staff spoke to a second man over the phone Wednesday who also said he believed he, not Kavanaugh, had the disputed encounter with Ford. "He explained his recollection of the details of the encounter" to staff, the release states.

Both men were not named. USA TODAY was not able to independently vet the claims.
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That was the story put out there by some Republicans and it spread as it was meant to do.
Also what happened to the two guys that the Republicans were in contact with that said they may be the guilty party?
The Democrats said they hadn't been informed about the two guys until the media reported the story 12 hours before Ford was to testify.
Anyone heard anything more about the two guys?
Also wasn't it a Republican blogger that blogged about a Kavanaugh look a like that was actually a friend of Ford. Story later retracted by blogger. IMO

 

[CARIIS]

[local news

the third victim was contacted by fbi

Ford no

lawyers for each

ot have not watched local news in ages -- too much insanity going on nationally

utterly incredible -- all it was was shootings

period

i remember as a kid is like water boards and stuff !!

 

[MyBelle]

He did his job. He didn't treat her like a victim. He did the polygraph according to how LEO does. If you have a link as to the professional work he did as being less than or inadequate, could you post it?

He said he treated her as a victim. The link was posted.
"When you do your interview before the polygraph, especially on a victim, you don't ask a lot of follow-up questions. It's kind of a heinous thing that's happened that they are alleging," Hanafin said. "So you want to get the general facts. So to continue to ask questions and pry, you don't want someone to get too emotional, especially a victim."
WATCH: Ex-FBI Agent Reveals Details of Polygraph Test He Gave Christine Blasey Ford

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Sorry, I should have put some Republicans in the Senate put that story out.But who knows where they got it from?
I replied to you because you posted that you thought it was someone other than Kavanaugh that had assaulted Ford. I wondered if you came to that conclusion based on the stories that were floating around.
If you don't think it was Kavanaugh I'm curious as to why? IMO

I do not believe that someone other than Kavanaugh assaulted Dr Ford. I don't know who did it. I'm saying she could be mistaken in her identification.

She said she was assaulted. I'm not trying to dispute that. I just don't know who did it JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Interestingly, the nominee did not answer questions about his drinking. In fact, whenever he was questioned about his drinking, he deflected beyond saying he liked beer and still likes beer or belligerently asked the people questioning him if they drank. His college peers have said he drank to excess. He talked about getting off a bus drunk after a trip he organized at Yale. People have noted that he was drunk when he barged into girl's dorm rooms at Yale. He admits that he has thrown up after drinking due to his weak stomach. not necessarily evidence from 2018 but certainly something that should be investigated as it comes to these allegations.

He did answer questions. He denied ever blacking out from drinking. I'm confident his coworkers and subordinates would speak up if his drinking today affects his job performance. JMO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Tangentially related, but worth noting, imo.

Conway reveals sexual assault, defends working for Trump

Conway went on to claim the Kavanaugh Senate hearings were "raw partisan politics," adding "it's not a meeting of the #MeToo movement."​

 

[jjenny]

Polygraphs aren't considered a reliable evidence. And if the person believes what they are saying, presumably answer would show up as truthful whether it is accurate or not.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

"Belligerent and aggressive": Brett Kavanaugh's Yale classmate says he was heavy drinker

"I have direct and repeated knowledge about his drinking and his disposition while drunk. And I do believe that Brett's actions as a 53-year-old federal judge matter," Ludington said. "If he lied about his past actions on national television, and more especially while speaking under oath in front of the United States Senate, I believe those lies should have consequences. It is truth that is at stake, and I believe that the ability to speak the truth, even when it does not reflect well upon oneself, is a paramount quality we seek in our nation's most powerful judges."​