Supreme Court Nominee #3

[Jade]

I agree with this. IMO, the Democrats have even less of a grasp on middle America than they had in 2016.

This attempt to eliminate due process is despicable, and IMO, it will backfire.

Oh, we have a grasp.

Racism, sexism and a raging hatred of liberals and the “liberal media” embodied by the snarling faces displayed at rallies by the Steve Bannon team.

A nomination that did reflect a pumpkin farmer from Iowa gone to Washington would have been better, imo, than this BK mess of a person.

But ya gotcha an east coast, Ivy League, entitled intellectual who is privileged wealthy and connected to DC and its environs.

Same ole, same ole in Republican Washington

Its the Republicans trying to "eliminate due process" of public rights to fairness.

All imo

 

[Hope4More]

Just a FWIW about how the polling about "most trusted news sources" in the US is conducted.

Some thousands of folks are randomly selected. (already skewed because the selection doesn't include younger folks only reachable on cellphone).

These viewers are asked to rate, as a percentage or otherwise, how much they trust the source of news they themselves watch/read at least 3-5 times a week.

Fox news viewers are notorious for watching only Fox news. They most likely watch Fox and only Fox because they believe only Fox news is trust worthy. It's obvious how that contributes to Fox being considered most trust worthy in overall ratings.

This is all the more true because many if not most non-Fox news consumers:

1. Read as much news, or more, than they watch.
2. Read/watch multiple news sources
3. Don't believe any one source of news ever provides the full story - on anything.
4. Are, to generalize, far more likely to question the news being presented to them, rather than to accept as factual what is being presented.

All this is reflected in the level of trust in news sources they report to pollsters.

 

[Hope4More]

So....Manchin has apparently said that he believes Ford was sexually assaulted, but that he thinks she is confused about who assaulted her.

1. He also broke ranks with Dems to vote for cloture, the only Dem to do so.

2. It is rare for a Senator to vote for cloture and then vote NO on a nomination.

3. Looks like Machin will vote to confirm Kavanaugh.

4. If so, he will apparently try to justify doing so by seizing on the life ring first suggested by Kavanaugh himself: you'll be politically safe if you can talk out of both sides of your mouth by saying you believe both the accuser and the accused, tie goes to the accused.

 

[rosemadderlake]

As an aside, as K no doubt knows, if he isn't confirmed to the SC, he faces the real possibility of being removed from his current appeals court bench.

I think this was the motivation behind Kavanaugh's Op Ed in the WSJ. Saving his current job, alternate plan B... Clean up on isle seven, etc.

 

[Hope4More]

The count, then.

51-49 start.

Manchin yes: 52-48.
Murkowski no: 51-49.

If Gaines not present tomorrow: 50-49.

Flake & Collins both voted yes for cloture.

Even if Collin votes NO (LOL) (she is going
for maximum affect by saying she will give a speech at 3 today), and no Gaines: 49-50. Gaines would be rushed back . 50-50.

Pence breaks the tie, and we get a seriously compromised, historically unpopular, historically divisive new justice seated on the Court, with a permanent black stink cloud over every word he says, every opinion he writes, every vote he makes.

 

[CARIIS]

does anyone have a time for flake today

computer being weird

 

[CARIIS]

[computer being weird

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I believe the trust for FNN is supported by their consistenly high viewer ratings and how they are watched much more often overall than liberal MSM news channels such as MSNBC..CNN etc.

It has been said news viewers watch certain news channels because they find them the most trustworthy which only makes common sense. Iirc.. most watched the hearing of Ford and Kavannah on Fox.

But personally I don't care what channel people perfer to watch or read which is a individual choice of course. I don't have to support Fox either...they are doing very well on their own.

I actually like PBS and watch them daily. I do read links supplied here to online articles no matter who they are.

As far as your previous post about dems versus Republican senators. Yes anyone who has been harassed...screamed at.......threatened...chased down halls...at airports......down streets and chased out of public places simply because they belong to a different political party are definitely victims of those who have done so.

I get that you think the Democrats..including those in the House and Senate members along with dem voters have acted appropriately throughout. I respect that even if I don't see it the same way.

Imo

 

[CARIIS]

The count, then.

51-49 start.

Manchin yes: 52-48.
Murkowski no: 51-49.

If Gaines not present tomorrow: 50-49.

Flake & Collins both voted yes for cloture.

Even if Collin votes NO (LOL) (she is going
for maximum affect by saying she will give a speech at 3 today), and no Gaines: 49-50. Gaines would be rushed back . 50-50.

Pence breaks the tie, and we get a seriously compromised, historically unpopular, historically divisive new justice seated on the Court, with a permanent black stink cloud over every word he says, every opinion he writes, every vote he makes.

scary times

 

[CARIIS]

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[CARIIS]

Oh, we have a grasp.

Racism, sexism and a raging hatred of liberals and the “liberal media” embodied by the snarling faces displayed at rallies by the Steve Bannon team.

A nomination that did reflect a pumpkin farmer from Iowa gone to Washington would have been better, imo, than this BK mess of a person.

But ya gotcha an east coast, Ivy League, entitled intellectual who is privileged wealthy and connected to DC and its environs.

Same ole, same ole in Republican Washington

Its the Republicans trying to "eliminate due process" of public rights to fairness.

All imo

the nomination has nothing to do with real supreme court stuff

there first decision is to try and change -- its easier to just say it like this - i don't recall the actual terms

they are gonna try and make it that all the people charged in all the other charges can be pardoned even if there are state charges - that is first up

then he is the only one that thinks a sitting president cant be checked on criminal activity while in the oval office

he has written opinions on these things

that is why he was chosen

 

[Hope4More]

it there any one else at all that could change your formulas

The only other even vaguely theoretical but don't bet a cent on it change would be Cory Gardner,(R-CO). He was said to be wavering as recently as last night, off the radar, but the truth is plain to see: R' may wobble & waver & ring their hands & speak in somber tones about existential distress, but 99.99999% of the time they spring right back when it's time to actually vote the party line.

He voted for cloture. There isn' t any reason to believe (he's low drama & off the radar) that he is going to turn around and stage a surprise attack on his party by voting NO.

So.....no.

Sincere kudos
to a republican who actually IS defying leadership by voting NO: Lisa Murkowski. It takes a woman to man up.

 

[CARIIS]

The count, then.

51-49 start.

Manchin yes: 52-48.
Murkowski no: 51-49.

If Gaines not present tomorrow: 50-49.

Flake & Collins both voted yes for cloture.

Even if Collin votes NO (LOL) (she is going
for maximum affect by saying she will give a speech at 3 today), and no Gaines: 49-50. Gaines would be rushed back . 50-50.

Pence breaks the tie, and we get a seriously compromised, historically unpopular, historically divisive new justice seated on the Court, with a permanent black stink cloud over every word he says, every opinion he writes, every vote he makes.

I forgot -- Kav also wants insuraners to be able to deny folks with pre existing conditions -- so be careful what one wishes for when you and ones family cant get medical treatment

or insurers will cover for 2500 a month but no cover you and your family that need help for current stuff blood pressure diabetes etc

 

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[CARIIS]

I really hope Flake does a McCain healthcare moment!!

 

[mickey2942]

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[Hope4More]

I believe the trust for FNN is supported by their consistenly high viewer ratings and how they are watched much more often overall than liberal MSM news channels such as MSNBC..CNN etc.

It has been said news viewers watch certain news channels because they find them the most trustworthy which only makes common sense. Iirc.. most watched the hearing of Ford and Kavannah on Fox.

But personally I don't care what channel people perfer to watch or read which is a individual choice of course. I don't have to support Fox either...they are doing very well on their own.

I actually like PBS and watch them daily. I do read links supplied here to online articles no matter who they are.

As far as your previous post about dems versus Republican senators. Yes anyone who has been harassed...screamed at.......threatened...chased down halls...at airports......down streets and chased out of public places simply because they belong to a different political party are definitely victims of those who have done so.

I get that you think the Democrats..including those in the House and Senate members along with dem voters have acted appropriately throughout. I respect that even if I don't see it the same way.

Imo

Ocean, the reality is Tea Party repubs did the exact same things activist dems are now/have been doing you seem to believe are uniquely abhorrent.

As many & betters have said, democracy is messy, and it is especially messy & loud when people believe they are not being heard.

I don't believe Tea Partiers were acting solely on allegiance to their political party, any more than I believe the activists most loud right now are acting in allegiance to the dem- or any party.

I feel the same anger, and it has NOTHING to do with political party. I no longer even belong to either party.


I have been 100% consistent in saying here that for me, this nomination is NOT about political parties or their fortunes.

You can choose not to believe what I say, but what I've said & believe is that the legitimacy of the SC is more important than any nominee or either party.
That is why I find what is happening so incredibly disturbing.

I would feel exactly the same way if it was Dems handling this nomination instead of repubs.

It isn't a partisan opinion to say that repubs have now broken every last norm, and possibly the Senate, in seating first Gorsuch, and now, likely, Kavanaugh. You may be OK with how the sausage is being made, and that's your right, but the historical record of how nominations are conducted speaks for itself. Yes, the process has been increasingly under strain for years, both parties responsible, but it only really broke altogether with these past 2 noms.

There aren't any "winners" here, imo, just more huge and unaffordable losses to our democracy & institutions.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Apologies if this has been posted already and I missed it.

The American Bar Association is re-evaluating Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's 'well-qualified' rating ahead of the Senate vote to confirm him