Supreme Court Nominee

[Inthedetails]

Just an FYI: Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee:

Members | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary

 

[simba16]

Sad. A woman can come forward with a credible claim of sexual assault but if the accused is a Yale graduate, cries, throw tantrums, insults women, and LIES he can get away with it and get confirmed to Supreme Court, enabled by more men. It takes women in this country back 100 years which is what Cryin' Brett wants to do by taking their reproductive rights. He even wrongly referred to contraceptives as "abortion causing drugs" during his testimony. Unbelievable in 2018.

 

[kimlynn]

I didn't know he'd been asked. Cant the Senate request an investigation ?

Senator Hirono (democrat) asked to have several letters requesting an investigation submitted into evidence.This was during the hearing yesterday.IMO

 

[Boodles]

I actually found it strange how she answered questions about her memory. She didn’t describe it as her memory, she describes it as her hippocampus’ memory. Very odd IMO.

She has a PhD in psychology and understands (and teaches) the science behind brain function. Not odd at all,just expert.

 

[CHICANA]

No, they’re not literally innocent per se; they’re legally presumed innocent for purposes of a trial. This wasn’t a trial. And before a trial, an investigation occurs. That’s not happening here. So there’s a woman with credible allegations, supported by a lie detector test, who asked for the fbi to investigate, who has nothing to gain and so much to lose...and the gop reps tell Kavanaugh they’re sorry for what he’s been through. Stick me with a friggin fork. It’s abhorrent.

What does she have to lose ? I don't find it credible that she named a friend that was there and that same friend says she doesn't know the accused and wasn't at the party Ford describes.

 

[Boodles]

Sad. A woman can come forward with a credible claim of sexual assault but if the accused is a Yale graduate, cries, throw tantrums, insults women, and LIES he can get away with it and get confirmed to Supreme Court, enabled by more men. It takes women in this country back 100 years which is what Cryin' Brett wants to do by taking their reproductive rights. He even wrongly referred to contraceptives as "abortion causing drugs" during his testimony. Unbelievable in 2018.

^^^^^This.

 

[CARIIS]

guys

they are gonna have to vote today

there are 100,000 documents hidden

they are not recipes - they have to get this locked in

both houses have knowledge of tons of tons of stuff about other things going on in DC

most of these people need protections from the SC down the road

term limits for congress

only answer

 

[Inthedetails]

We have all managed to keep the thread open

Snipped.

I think a little self-congratulations is in order. Yay for us!

It's been a great convo and respect has been shown toward the variety of points of view, even when disagreeing. Glad to see it can be done. JMO

Yay for us!

 

[CARIIS]

What does she have to lose ? I don't find it credible that she named a friend that was there and that same friend says she doesn't know the accused and wasn't at the party Ford describes.

but that is not what happened

apparently that friend denied being there and then texted Ford that she was sorry that she lied

but she is not well medically

could not handle the stress

Ford forgave her

 

[BUF]

Lots of whispers going on

 

[CARIIS]

at the end of the day

both sides

this is a joke

look at em all now


chit and chatting

their all sleazebags

its all a game

 

[CHICANA]

Sad. A woman can come forward with a credible claim of sexual assault but if the accused is a Yale graduate, cries, throw tantrums, insults women, and LIES he can get away with it and get confirmed to Supreme Court, enabled by more men. It takes women in this country back 100 years which is what Cryin' Brett wants to do by taking their reproductive rights. He even wrongly referred to contraceptives as "abortion causing drugs" during his testimony. Unbelievable in 2018.

I don't agree that her claim is credible, but the contraceptive controversy has been debunked.

Analysis | Did Brett Kavanaugh signal he supports ‘going after birth control’?

 

[kimlynn]

at the end of the day

both sides

this is a joke

look at em all now


chit and chatting

their all sleazebags

its all a game

One side a bit worse than the other but yes at times it is hard to see much difference. IMO

 

[Hope4More]

Generally, not in response to any single post:

1. No one should be deprived of their job, liberty, reputation, or future because of ALLEGATIONS.

2. It is a dangerous for ALL, genuinely witch-hunty time if allegations alone can deprive anyone of any of the above.

3. In a country founded on the rule of law, due process is everything. Our Constitution is supposed to guarantee that every one of us has the right to due process.

4. If we can't agree on all of the above, our democracy is doomed.

5. A seat on the Supreme Court is a supreme privilege, not an entitlement, and has ALWAYS been reserved for a tiny select few, the best of the best of the best in terms of character & background of every kind, no matter their ideology.

6. A president is entitled to nominate candidates of his/her own choosing. Elections matter, both at the executive level, and in the Senate, where SC nominees are confirmed or rejected.

7. Kavanaugh was not on anyone's short list until after Mueller was appointed special counsel. That matters.

8. Dr. Blasey first raised her concern BEFORE K was nominated, and after she learned he was added to the short list.

9. Blasey did not want to go public. Feinstein held onto Blasey's letter to honor that request.

10. Feinstein did not leak Blasey's letter, nor did her staff. That letter was not held onto- it was released without the consent of either Blasey or Feinstein.

11. There was abundant time AFTER the letter leaked for the judiciary committee to ask the WH to have K's FBI background check reopened. That is a fact. It is also a fact that reopening background checks is what the FBI does, and routinely. It is also a fact that democrats and then Blasey requested exactly that. Repeatedly. It is also a fact that republicans refused to do that, repeatedly, and were not honest about why they refused to do so.

12. Because of the republicans' refusal to request additional FBI investigation, and because K refused to agree to /request such himself, no INDEPENDENT investigation of Blasey's allegations
ever occurred.

13. Judge did NOT provide a sworn statement. That is simply untrue. He submitted a statement signed by his attorney that he didn't know about the gathering (no date of gathering has ever been established). That statement is NOT subject to felony charges if untrue.

14. The republicans' choice to not allow investigation and to not allow other witnessess was a deliberate attempt to frame the hearing as a he said, she said affair, with no possibility of reconciling the gap between what they said, or even attempting to assess credibility beyond optics.

15. This was NOT A TRIAL. This was not a witch hunt. If team trump & Kavanaugh & republicans believed they could clear K's name and disprove Blasey's accusations THEY WOULD HAVE DONE SO BY DEMANDING AN FBI INVESTIGATION.

It is that simple. And awful.

 

[MamaTiger]

Sad. A woman can come forward with a credible claim of sexual assault but if the accused is a Yale graduate, cries, throw tantrums, insults women, and LIES he can get away with it and get confirmed to Supreme Court, enabled by more men. It takes women in this country back 100 years which is what Cryin' Brett wants to do by taking their reproductive rights. He even wrongly referred to contraceptives as "abortion causing drugs" during his testimony. Unbelievable in 2018.

It is obvious that you feel strongly about this, but the problem is there is no proof. It is she says, he says. No other witnesses to say it happened. No forensic evidence to say it happened. Nothing besides her memories and his memories. (Oh and possibly a person here or there, they may or may not have been there, but claim they don't remember it ever happening.... thing is, how do you prove that they can remember if they say they cannot?)
Even if the FBI investigated, how would it be proven? I would think that the chances of him being prosecuted would be slim, the chance of him being convicted are slim to none. This is different then say Bill Cosby who had victims come forward well before he was ever taken to court. He also had a ton of victims come forward.

https://opsvaw.as.uky.edu/sites/default/files/07_Rape_Prosecution.pdf

 

[kimlynn]

Generally, not in response to any single post:

1. No one should be deprived of their job, liberty, reputation, or future because of ALLEGATIONS.

2. It is a dangerous for ALL, genuinely witch-hunty time if allegations alone can deprive anyone of any of the above.

3. In a country founded on the rule of law, due process is everything. Our Constitution is supposed to guarantee that every one of us has the right to due process.

4. If we can't agree on all of the above, our democracy is doomed.

5. A seat on the Supreme Court is a supreme privilege, not an entitlement, and has ALWAYS been reserved for a tiny select few, the best of the best of the best in terms of character & background of every kind, no matter their ideology.

6. A president is entitled to nominate candidates of his/her own choosing. Elections matter, both at the executive level, and in the Senate, where SC nominees are confirmed or rejected.

7. Kavanaugh was not on anyone's short list until after Mueller was appointed special counsel. That matters.

8. Dr. Blasey first raised her concern BEFORE K was nominated, and after she learned he was added to the short list.

9. Blasey did not want to go public. Feinstein held onto Blasey's letter to honor that request.

10. Feinstein did not leak Blasey's letter, nor did her staff. That letter was not held onto- it was released without the consent of either Blasey or Feinstein.

11. There was abundant time AFTER the letter leaked for the judiciary committee to ask the WH to have K's FBI background check reopened. That is a fact. It is a also a fact that reopening background checks is what the FBI does, and rountinely. It is also a fact that democrats and then Blasey requested exactly that. Repeatedly. It is also a fact that republicans refused to do that, repeatedly, and were not honest about why they refused to do so.

12. Because of the republicans' refusal to request additional FBI investigation, and because K refused to agree to /request such himself, no INDEPENDENT investigation of Blasey's allegations
ever occurred.

13. Judge did NOT provide a sworn statement. That is simply untrue. He submitted a statement signed by his attorney that he didn't know about the gathering (no date of gathering has ever been established). That statement is NOT subject to felony charges if untrue.

14. The republicans' choice to not allow investigation and to not allow other witnessess was a deliberate attempt to frame the hearing as a he said, she said affair, with no possibility of reconciling the gap between what they said, or even attempting to assess credibility beyond optics.

15. This was NOT A TRIAL. This was not a witch hunt. If team trump & Kavanaugh & republicans believed they could clear K's name and disprove Blasey's accusations THEY WOULD HAVE DONE SO DEMANDING AN FBI INVESTIGATION.

It is that simple. And awful.

Thank you. Shame we can't put that up as a sticky. IMO

 

[neesaki]

He said versus she said regarding an incident from HS. She can't remember where or when? I thought a person was innocent UNTIL proven guilty. There actually wasn't even a rape. I feel this is all political. I feel sorry that she has been used in this way, and I especially feel sorry for anyone who can be accused of anything by anyone at anytime and they are tried and convicted without any proof. God help us if we go down this road! JMO MOO

This is one of my biggest problems with it, the allegations that are just allegations, no corroboration at all.
I'm not sure why I don't find him completely believable, maybe what I'm seeing as possible untruthfulness is him being embarrassed as to the amount of high school and college drinking he did. Or maybe he seems to me to come across as a bit arrogant and a bit too entitled. Which isn't hard to believe considering he has lived quite the privileged life by most standards.
I hope I'm wrong and he is telling the truth, because I don't find Ford completely believable either. I guess I'm in a quandary as to what to fully believe, so for me at this point I will wait and see.

 

[simba16]

They could have been investigating since they received the letter, they've had months and the evidence doesn't back up her account. They had plenty of time.

We've been over the reasonable reason for delay multiple times. There IS evidence that corroborates her account, including lie detector test. Cryin' Brett doesn't want investigation or lie detector test although he has praised lie detector test--see link up thread. He has clearly lied under oath according to multiple people. We can't have someone who commits perjury as Supreme Court justice.

 

[frisson]

Boys being boys... toilet papering a yard, throwing water balloons, making prank phone calls.... sexual assault. All the same right? Just teen fun with no victims or pain.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ok, I disagree wholeheartedly. Please refer to specific examples of Pro-Trumpers who believe K is guilty of sexual assault or vice versa.

Do you not agree that at the very least, the vast majority (on both sides) are just falling in line with their political affiliation? It is certainly the case here. probably close to 100%

Let’s see what happens the next time, the next accusation of a political type candidate, both sides will have an opinion that is exact opposite of how they view these types of allegations today.

WE all must be very careful that WE do not allow allegations of any kind, whether sexual or other criminal, to become weaponized.

If allegations alone can put a halt on a Supreme Court nomination. WE are all in for a ride.

Not only that Cool..if this keeps up we never become a civil society again.

I hate how this has turned out pitching one against the other. I hate how Dr Ford was never told she could give her testimony in the comforts of her home. That is unforgivable.

This is not a new process. When complaints are made against any nominee before being confirmed both parties come together privately and the complaints are investigated. Many of the staffers for each senator are investigators with a law background...many who have served in the DOJ..FBI or seasoned police officers along with seasoned lawyers.

Senator Grassley upon learning of the allegation immediately went to the FBI with the complaint. It was the FBI upon seeimg the claim said their investigation was closed.

Instead of screaming over and over saying it should be up to the accused to decide or even the president is ridiculous political posturing. DF did take it to the FBI too. She was told the same. If they want to go to someone then go to the AG who already has a poor relationship with PDT. The way this has all been orchestrated and purposefully hidden until the 11th hour should not be acceptable to anyone.

I have never seen such vile dispicable behavior and I am 71 years old. Part of congress looks like it is being run by crazies vigilantes and have been out of control in this entire process.

If we dared to allow unsupported allegations to be the threshold for finding anyone..anyone...guilty then we have becobme a third world country.

They lamely say..this is not a trial. I agree ...it is far worse than any trial I have ever seen. People in court have much better behavior. If they acted like this they are found in contempt and can be thrown in jail.

If that was truly the acceptable threshold then the 5 Duke lacrosse players would be in prison today along others like them.

Imo we can't lower our standards on fairness and justice because of unsupported allegations whether we 'believe' them or not. A belief is not evidence. That puts every person at great risk.

I greatly dislike how some compare Dr Ford's testimony and judge Kavannah. Dr Ford was handled with kid gloves throughout by both sides so of course she wasn't angry or combative. Why would she be?

She wasn't the one being be accused nor was she was being attacked or treated so aggressively in the questions either. I just wish they would layout the case fairly and not spin it. As an independent it drives me crazy how simple truths are spun.

They truly must think that many millions of Americans can't see this nor do they believe the millions who have watched all of this know what has actually been said. Why do they have to spin when everyone watching is perfectly capable of thinking for themselves and know what has transpired as well as they do..

Jmo