SURPRISE HEARING Friday 18th August

[Pensfan]

funny, I just posted that I had rediscovered this callahan site, thank you!

Did anyone else notice that it appears someone google bombed only positive things about The Memphis Three?

Here is where to find some not-so-positive court docs (again) on DE's mental health.
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img/exh500.html

 

[indicat]

Ooops, sorry about that.

Did anyone else notice that it appears someone google bombed only positive things about The Memphis Three?

Here is where to find some not-so-positive court docs (again) on DE's mental health.
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img/exh500.html

Oh no, thank you, I was asking for information and you provided it!

 

[Pensfan]

http://www.jivepuppi.com/damien_echols_5.html
You guys should read all parts of Damien demons on jivepuppy.
I would never whitewash who Damien Echols was.Do I think back then he would theoretically be capable of such a crime? Possibly.
He was like so many of us ,a kid growing up in poverty with an intellect that exceeded his surrounding.It makes you feel pushed into a corner.A real outsider.
Considering all of that there is still ABSOLUTELY nothing that links Echols to the victims or the crime scene.
He was targeted because of his DIFFERENCE.
That's what's so wrong here.That's what this is about.

Yes, having a diagnosed psychotic disorder is very different.

I hope part of his 10 year probation includes showing his parole officer the receipts from a clinic that gives him a monthly long-acting antipsychotic injection.

 

[LadyL]

Are those records in readable text format anywhere?

after clikcing the link, if you click on the actual document, it will enlarge to a readable font

hth

 

[laurensmom]

Yes, having a diagnosed psychotic disorder is very different.

I hope part of his 10 year probation includes showing his parole officer the receipts from a clinic that gives him a monthly long-acting antipsychotic injection.

He isn't on parole; therefore, he doesn't have a probation officer.

 

[Pensfan]

He isn't on parole; therefore, he doesn't have a probation officer.

"The three were credited with time served, and Echols is being freed from Arkansas' death row. They were placed on 10 years' probation and if they re-offend they could be sent back to prison for 21 years, Prosecutor Scott Ellington said."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20094730-504083.html

 

[claudicici]

Being diagnosed with a mental disorder does not make one a murderer either.
I'm not going to question the diagnosis.But having been a teenager and having a teenage daughter now I don't think the way Damien acted was unusual.Teenagers who are depressed and feel misunderstood use scare tactics as a defense mechanism.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

"The three were credited with time served, and Echols is being freed from Arkansas' death row. They were placed on 10 years' probation and if they re-offend they could be sent back to prison for 21 years, Prosecutor Scott Ellington said."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20094730-504083.html

Thank you, that's interesting.

It also is a MSM source stating what TMZ said about a lawsuit:

"Prosecutor Scott Ellington says that this plea brings this case to a resolution and prevents them from suing the state in a civil case."

However, I am beginning to wonder if it is MSM or Ellington who doesn't know which is right. Here, in his supposed statement it says:

"As part of the plea and sentence negotiation the defendants were sentenced to a period of 18 years with credit for time served. Those sentences will be followed by 10 years SIS or Suspended Imposition of Sentence.

...

The defendants are now at liberty and will remain at liberty so long as they do not violate the terms and conditions of the Suspended Imposition of Sentence agreement. ANY violation of these terms WILL RESULT in an additional 21 years of prison.

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlo...ecutors-statement-on-west-memphis-3-plea-deal

 

[Pensfan]

Being diagnosed with a mental disorder does not make one a murderer either.
I'm not going to question the diagnosis.But having been a teenager and having a teenage daughter now I don't think the way Damien acted was unusual.Teenagers who are depressed and feel misunderstood use scare tactics as a defense mechanism.

DE was assessed and diagnosed by a licensed psychiatrist in a licensed psychiatric facility. He was kept in a locked psychiatric unit for over 6 weeks. This occurred because the physicians and nurses could see symptoms/evidence that he had a psychotic disorder. He did not "fake out" all the nurses, all the psych techs, and all the physicians for six weeks. Threatening to kill and eat one's father, making a suicide pact, grabbing an injured child and drinking blood from their wound, and rubbing this blood all over one's face are not unconscious psychological strategies from a mentally healthy, but misunderstood teen. This is bizarre and illogical behavior and DE had no insight into his illness.



Pensfan
verified psych nurse

 

[erinleigh]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/19/arkansas.child.killings/index.html?eref=rss_us

 

[Compassionate Reader]

If he was that mentally ill, why was he released?

Damien was a troubled teen, no doubt, but he is not a murderer. Past psychiatric diagnoses, although they could be used to make Damien a person of interest in the case, in and of themselves are simply not proof that he is (or was) a murderer. You're a nurse. Do all of your psychotic patients kill people? Isn't it true that many times they direct their violence toward themselves? That's what Damien said he did - direct his violence against himself. And, turning that around, are all killers psychotic? The cause-and-effect relationship is simply not there without other evidence, and there is none.

 

[claudicici]

I'm not saying he "faked out" anyone,I did say I'm not one to question the diagnosis.I'm not a psych nurse.I'm saying I can relate to the way he was acting.I was in the metal scene when I was a teenager.I made a suicide pact with my boyfriend.I drank blood for shock value.I probably mentioned I wanted to kill my parents.So did my friends.Many times.I'm not proud of it but I did not kill anyone.
As long as there is nothing that links Damien to the victims or the crime scene his mental health has nothing to do with the murders of the children.

 

[Pensfan]

If he was that mentally ill, why was he released?

Damien was a troubled teen, no doubt, but he is not a murderer. Past psychiatric diagnoses, although they could be used to make Damien a person of interest in the case, in and of themselves are simply not proof that he is (or was) a murderer. You're a nurse. Do all of your psychotic patients kill people? Isn't it true that many times they direct their violence toward themselves? That's what Damien said he did - direct his violence against himself. And, turning that around, are all killers psychotic? The cause-and-effect relationship is simply not there without other evidence, and there is none.

You asked why he was released? The answer is that his medications administered in the hospital apparently began to work while in the hospital.

Damien did not direct all of his violence upon himself. Somewhere in the documents it talks about how he mutilated and killed a dog. He also threatened to kill his mother, his father, the younger kids in the house, his girlfriend and her parents, and the police. In addition, he tried to enucleate another child's eye at school.

He had been assessed as needing mental health assistance since the ripe old age of NINE.

 

[Compassionate Reader]

And he continued taking the antidepressants until he was unjustly incarcerated. He had just picked up a refill the day of the murder. So, if the medicines were working, then his "mental illness" would not be a contributor to his actions, would it? Did you see the press conference today? Did he look or act mentally ill to you? He's off the medications now because he outgrew all that teen angst that was the root of any of his mental problems.

 

[Soulmagent]

And he continued taking the antidepressants until he was unjustly incarcerated. He had just picked up a refill the day of the murder. So, if the medicines were working, then his "mental illness" would not be a contributor to his actions, would it? Did you see the press conference today? Did he look or act mentally ill to you? He's off the medications now because he outgrew all that teen angst that was the root of any of his mental problems.

Sorry to butt in but Yes I did see him do a slick flick at the media cams before the presser started. I didnt screen shot it as I didnt think quick enough to.

I promise I saw it ,also it showed me the teenag angst is still there. Or that he has some issues still ,or what ever is going on with him.

I wish I could join the cheering masses. I bet it would feel better then what I feel.

 

[Pensfan]

And he continued taking the antidepressants until he was unjustly incarcerated. He had just picked up a refill the day of the murder. So, if the medicines were working, then his "mental illness" would not be a contributor to his actions, would it? Did you see the press conference today? Did he look or act mentally ill to you? He's off the medications now because he outgrew all that teen angst that was the root of any of his mental problems.

Do you have a link that verifies that he was compliant with his medication orders after his hospital discharge until his arrest? Psychiatric patients are notorious for not taking their medicines. Just over half of bipolar patients appear to be fully adherent with their medications orders.

 

[claudicici]

You asked why he was released? The answer is that his medications administered in the hospital apparently began to work while in the hospital.

Damien did not direct all of his violence upon himself. Somewhere in the documents it talks about how he mutilated and killed a dog. He also threatened to kill his mother, his father, the younger kids in the house, his girlfriend and her parents, and the police. In addition, he tried to enucleate another child's eye at school.

He had been assessed as needing mental health assistance since the ripe old age of NINE.

like you said he TALKED,he THREATENED .He never actually hurt anyone.
And again what does that have to do with the murders of these particular children?
I think Damien should have been fully investigated if his mother,his father,his siblings,his girlfriend or anyone he was connected to was murdered.
He should have been fully investigated if he was somehow connected to the crime scene or the victims.But he wasn't.

 

[Soulmagent]

like you said he TALKED,he THREATENED .He never actually hurt anyone.
And again what does that have to do with the murders of these particular children?
I think Damien should have been fully investigated if his mother,his father,his siblings,his girlfriend or anyone he was connected to was murdered.
He should have been fully investigated if he was somehow connected to the crime scene or the victims.But he wasn't.

Didnt fibers tie into his household and the crime scene?

 

[Pensfan]

Didnt fibers tie into his household and the crime scene?

Yes, and there were witnesses that saw him near the crime scene.

 

[claudicici]

It's been a long time honestly since I read the "fiber evidence"
...but from what I remember it was a fiber from a "garanimals" shirt that is sold at Walmart that belonged to Damien's sibling and fiber that possibly matched Jason's mother bathrobe.Please someone correct me if I'm wrong but it's been a long time.I just remember it was ridiculous.Wished they would have checked the Jacoby residence for fiber.