Susan Powell: Odd discovery in West Utah Desert

[mysticrose]

If it was me and I knew police had not been there yet or prob. were not going to look at it, I would start digging.
It looks to me like it could possibly be dumped from a truck, like leftovers from a job, but it looks enough like a body could be under there that I would dig because I would have to know !

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I agree with you but evn though it is disgusting, I can't stop :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

The image of someone (anyone) taking a piece of rebar with a handle welded to the top & poking into "potential graves" and sniffing the end just makes me crack up. I mean, I've got tears rolling down my face.

OK I'm a :loser::blushing:

Cindy

Police and searchers use this technique all the time for checking potential shallow graves.

 

[PickieChickie]

I agree with you but evn though it is disgusting, I can't stop :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

The image of someone (anyone) taking a piece of rebar with a handle welded to the top & poking into "potential graves" and sniffing the end just makes me crack up. I mean, I've got tears rolling down my face.

OK I'm a :loser::blushing:

Cindy

Police and searchers use this technique all the time for checking potential shallow graves.

Lololol! Savmom! Reminds me of this video!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx4UEe98EkY[/ame]​

 

[Dr.Fessel]

lololol! Savmom! Reminds me of this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx4uee98eky​

lol lol lol

 

[RubyRed]

The cold weather that night, would not be conducive to mixing cement, would it ?

 

[PickieChickie]

If anyone has a way of contacting this lady please tell her to get a small metal rod and have a cross handle welded on it or something. She can use that to stick into potential grave sites and then smell the end of it.

Linda to friend: "I'll poke and you smell!"
Friend: "You didn't tell me that when I agreed to come all the way out here with you!"
Linda: "Well, I paid for the gas!"
Friend: "What does that have to do with it? You were going anyway!"
Linda: "Alright, I'll agree with you on that one but it's my tool! I paid to have it made!"
Friend: "What the hell?"
Linda (laughing): "I'm just playing with you. Seriously now, someone has to poke and someone has to smell! It will be faster if you'll cooperate with me on this, don't you agree?"
Friend: "Why can't I poke and you smell?"
Linda: "Because I'm stronger and my sense of smell is bad because I'm 25 years older than you!"
Friend: "How about if we take turns? You poke once, I smell, then I'll poke once and you smell?"
Linda: "That won't be very efficient! We have a lot of poking and smelling to do!"
Friend: "Oh my gosh! And, what if someone sees us? What will they think?"
Linda: "We have some serious poking to do and I'm not worried about what people will think about us! Plus, this rod is 3 feet longer than my car and it will take me forever to get to the end to sniff it!"
Friend: "Well make sure you don't lose that orange flag because you might get a ticket!"
Linda: "I'm getting really frustrated here. The reason I brought you was so you could sniff and I could poke! Are you going to help or not?"
Friend: "Well, let me tell you one thing, if I sniff and it smells like a dead body, I get half the reward then! Is that a deal!"
Linda: "I totally forgot about the reward. In fact, you can have the whole thing because that's not why I've been searching!"
Friend: "Now you're talking! Let's get busy! I hope you are a good poker because I know I'm a good smeller!"
Linda (laughing): I do hope we find Susan's body. But, can you imagine what sort of questions reporters will be asking us?"
Friend (laughing): "Oh man! I can hear them now asking us questions about poking and sniffing out in the desert! Oh wow! I think I need a beer right about now!"

 

[smart blonde]

Years ago, my ex-husband was pouring our back patio, and somehow wet cement ended up in his boots, but he didn't realize it, and kept working.

Hours later, he had to go to the emergency room because of the cement burns on his feet.

I agree with the posters saying Josh may have had cement burns on his hands.

This discovery needs to be checked out right away!

 

[Sailor Bug]

This doesn't mean they didn't look and rule it out. A small chunk of cement could be sampled. Modern mixes are chemically tagged, right? From the photo, it looks like the deterioration of the mixture alone could indicate it has been there for years. Shame on them for not reporting back to her on their findings!

my bold, You raise a good point grayjay

However, if you had a loved one missing and a visual such as this comes out especially in an area where it has previously been used as a dumping ground...

one would think LE would speak up and say this cement mound had definately been checked and it was not a tomb.

Families of missing loved ones and those wonderful people still out searching in the area for Susan deserve a break from the what if's. I can tell you I spent weeks out looking for a missing child(found deceased} and absolutely anything we tagged was immediately looked at by LE. Many times it IS the public who are so heartbroken and continue to search long after LE have left.

I do believe LE needs to address this publically

 

[Sailor Bug]

The cold weather that night, would not be conducive to mixing cement, would it ?

http://www.sierrareadymix.com/concrete101.htm

WATER-CEMENT RATIO The Water-Cement Ratio of a concrete mixture is critical to its overall quality. Generally, a lower water-cement ratio allows for increased compressive and flexural strength, a better bond between the concrete and reinforcing steel, reduced shrinkage cracking, lower permeability, and a better resistance to wear and weather. In other words, the less water the better!

http://www.loghomebuilders.org/pouring-concrete-winter-during-cold-weather

Sometimes, out of necessity or eagerness, you may start working on the foundation of your log home in the middle of winter. Pouring concrete during cold weather can be a little tricky, because pouring concrete in freezing temperatures can cause serious problems. If you really want to pour concrete in winter there are some easy precautions you can take in order to help ensure that you’ll end up with a rock solid foundation.

First off, lets talk about what can happen if you pour concrete in cold weather without taking any precautions. Concrete cures through a chemical process that both creates and requires heat. If it cools too rapidly, due to cold weather, it can be seriously weakened (not desirable). You can also end up with fractures in your foundation caused by water freezing within the concrete, or can have spalling problems.

Generally the kind of cold weather that can negatively impact freshly poured concrete is 3 consecutive days of 40 F or below (average temp). Even if the temp is bouncing between the 40’s and 50’s you might still have problems. Effective communication with your concrete supplier, and checking your local weather report, should give you the definitive answer as to whether or not you’ll need to take extra precautions against cold weather at the time of your pour.

If you do end up needing to pour concrete in cold weather, then there are several different precautions you may want to take:

1) There are ‘anti-freeze like’ admixtures that can be effective at stopping the water within concrete from freezing. Such an admixture will extend the temperature range in which concrete can effectively cure.

2) Air-entrainment admixtures also help concrete deal with low temperatures by trapping tiny air bubbles within the mix, which in theory gives the freezing water someplace to gather without damaging your foundation.

3) A load of concrete can also be heated prior to leaving the yard. Starting out at a higher temp means it’ll stay warmer longer and can resist the cooling action of the cold weather long enough to form a good, solid set.

4) You can also request a mix of concrete that has extra cement added to it. That can help the mix quickly develop the strength needed to handle freezing temperatures.

5) Order a ‘drier’ mix of concrete. Since there will be less moisture within the mix that can freeze, the freezing effects of the temperatures will have less of an effect.

6) Use insulating blankets or insulated boxes to cover your foundation or pier blocks. This will help trap in the heat of the concrete preventing it from cooling too quickly. You can also use a ‘heated box’ of some sort if the weather is really cold.

When pouring in cold weather your concrete supplier will likely recommend one or more of the above precautions. Pay attention to what the supplier recommends, because after all they are the one who will be most familiar with what works best in your area – at the time of year your doing your pour.

 

[PickieChickie]

The cold weather that night, would not be conducive to mixing cement, would it ?

You can mix and pour concrete whenever you please. It just takes longer to dry when there is a lot of moisture in the air. This wasn't an art project or to build an overpass or something which required strength or needed to be pleasing to the eye.

In fact, people sometimes pour a bag of concrete down a fence post hole then simply add water in on top, and do this during the winter time. The amount of time it takes concrete to "cure" depends on the moisture in the air and the moisture content in the soil it is in contact with.

The faster the moisture evaporates or is absorbed into the surrounding soil, the faster it cures. The hotter the weather, the faster it dries/cures.

 

[Sailor Bug]

You can mix and pour concrete whenever you please. It just takes longer to dry when there is a lot of moisture in the air. This wasn't an art project or to build an overpass or something which required strength.

In fact, people sometimes pour a bag of concrete down a fence post hole then simply add water in on top, and do this during the winter time. The amount of time it takes concrete to "cure" depends on the moisture in the air and the moisture content in the soil it is in contact with.

I live on a 100 acre farm and have done this in colder weather with no problems with it setting

 

[grayjay]

I do believe LE needs to address this publicly

I agree. I'm surprised there was no quote from WVCPD in the Examiner article. I have the impression they've been fairly responsive, but maybe not on this?

 

[snupy]

The cold weather that night, would not be conducive to mixing cement, would it ?

I was watching a home improvement show about setting fence posts the easiest way. You just pour the cement in the hole and pour water on top of it. No mixing necessary. He could have poured the mix on top of her and the snow and rain could have provided the necessary moisture?

http://www.sakrete.com/products/product.aspx?ID=FastSettingConcrete

 

[PickieChickie]

This doesn't mean they didn't look and rule it out. A small chunk of cement could be sampled. Modern mixes are chemically tagged, right? From the photo, it looks like the deterioration of the mixture alone could indicate it has been there for years. Shame on them for not reporting back to her on their findings!

The deterioration of the mix could be from rain hammering concrete that was not thoroughly cured.

If you think about the pebble cement patios, a strong stream of water is used to wash away the concrete to expose them before it has thoroughly cured. Heavy rain would cause the pocking and irregularities in the concrete pour.

 

[PickieChickie]

I was watching a home improvement show about setting fence posts the easiest way. You just pour the cement in the hole and pour water on top of it. No mixing necessary. He could have poured the mix on top of her and the snow and rain could have provided the necessary moisture?

http://www.sakrete.com/products/product.aspx?ID=FastSettingConcrete

This is true. However, he couldn't risk having the Portland cement, the gray powder part of the mixture that binds the aggregates, sand and rock, together, blow away so I doubt he just poured out the concrete and left it like that.

Whomever is responsible for this concrete slab probably used water from the nearby spring which is why they chose that particular spot.

 

[snupy]

This is true. However, he couldn't risk having the Portland cement, the gray powder part of the mixture that binds the aggregates, sand and rock, together, blow away so I doubt he just poured out the concrete and left it like that.

Whomever is responsible for this concrete slab probably used water from the nearby spring which is why they chose that particular spot.

Good point, I did not think about the wind. I live in Utah and I wish I knew how to contact that person because I would go check it out BUT I will not smell any stick!!
:sick:

 

[PickieChickie]

Good point, I did not think about the wind. I live in Utah and I wish I knew how to contact that person because I would go check it out BUT I will not smell any stick!!
:sick:

Send me a message and I'll give you her e-mail address.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

linda to friend: "i'll poke and you smell!"
friend: "you didn't tell me that when i agreed to come all the way out here with you!"
linda: "well, i paid for the gas!"
friend: "what does that have to do with it? You were going anyway!"
linda: "alright, i'll agree with you on that one but it's my tool! I paid to have it made!"
friend: "what the hell?"
linda (laughing): "i'm just playing with you. Seriously now, someone has to poke and someone has to smell! It will be faster if you'll cooperate with me on this, don't you agree?"
friend: "why can't i poke and you smell?"
linda: "because i'm stronger and my sense of smell is bad because i'm 25 years older than you!"
friend: "how about if we take turns? You poke once, i smell, then i'll poke once and you smell?"
linda: "that won't be very efficient! We have a lot of poking and smelling to do!"
friend: "oh my gosh! And, what if someone sees us? What will they think?"
linda: "we have some serious poking to do and i'm not worried about what people will think about us! Plus, this rod is 3 feet longer than my car and it will take me forever to get to the end to sniff it!"
friend: "well make sure you don't lose that orange flag because you might get a ticket!"
linda: "i'm getting really frustrated here. The reason i brought you was so you could sniff and i could poke! Are you going to help or not?"
friend: "well, let me tell you one thing, if i sniff and it smells like a dead body, i get half the reward then! Is that a deal!"
linda: "i totally forgot about the reward. In fact, you can have the whole thing because that's not why i've been searching!"
friend: "now you're talking! Let's get busy! I hope you are a good poker because i know i'm a good smeller!"
linda (laughing): I do hope we find susan's body. But, can you imagine what sort of questions reporters will be asking us?"
friend (laughing): "oh man! I can hear them now asking us questions about poking and sniffing out in the desert! Oh wow! I think i need a beer right about now!"

lol lol lol lol

 

[snupy]

Send me a message and I'll give you her e-mail address.

I am not sure how to send a message, I usually just lurk

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I am not sure how to send a message, I usually just lurk

Snupy, I think you have to have 25 post to be able to send a message, you can go into the game rooms and add post fast here...........
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