Suspect #1: Dellen Millard *Charged* 1st Deg Murder 15 May 2013 #2

[JPC]

Why did Dellen ditch the truck seats but still keep the truck? He keeps the stolen truck that was on the news for days and ditches the seats. He didn't seem to want to dump the truck after the murder at all. This tells me the murder didn't necessarily stress him out that much. I would even consider that the murder wasn't something that "spiraled out of control" from a carjacking. I believe if there was a semblance of "remorse" for what happened, he would have ditched the entire truck somehow to hide what he did and not have parked it in a trailer at his mother's place (bizarro IMO). JMO

Do you have a link to the source of the missing seats article? I wasn't aware that those details were released and would love to read the article.

 

[MamaDukes]

Do you have a link to the source of the missing seats article? I wasn't aware that those details were released and would love to read the article.

Here's a bunch http://tinyurl.com/qz5sxa9

 

[Archangel7]

Several facts about the "known event" are important, but somewhat difficult to interpret with the small amount of "evidence via MSM."

DM & MS didn't know TB. TB didn't know them. Both DM & MS are strangers with no 100% sure way to be tied to a nefarious event, with a very few exceptions(military, LE, DNA reg., past indictable with prints registered)s

So, they simply could have killed TB, dumped the body immediately, anywhere and been on their way with the truck(if the truck was the motive)

But, they didn't and that's a very important and telling fact. Think about it. Most murders are by friends, family, lovers, etc. Many are domestic violence, passionate acts, insurance, etc. but because of the acquaintance to the victim, they need an alibi and they can't physically move/dispose of the body.

There is a loose saying/tendency that friends help friends move but it takes a really great friend to help one move a body. Something for us to think more about is DM & MS relationship.

A cold calculating killer(s) kills strangers and has no need for an alibi as he/they won't be tied to the crime in any way, nor be suspected. This gives perceived time to "leisurely" move, hide and/or dispose of the body and any other evidence, like the truck. This says a lot about the accused.

When you consider suspects post murder, you have suspects that act differently. The suspect involved in a crime of passion, carjacking, domestic, etc. murder usually will or can be mined for information. They will "break," slip up, or you can drive a wedge, make them mad and get information and possibly a confession.
We are told DM & MS have lockjaw. They are in this for the long haul, sort of an unusual commitment to the crime and each other, which says a lot .

Just doesn't ring like a typical murder. Many here have commented about the senselessness and coldness of this murder and I agree. It just doesn't look like a rookie murder or a spur of the moment, crime of opportunity one.

All JMO

 

[Carli]

Several facts about the "known event" are important, but somewhat difficult to interpret with the small amount of "evidence via MSM."

DM & MS didn't know TB. TB didn't know them. Both DM & MS are strangers with no 100% sure way to be tied to a nefarious event, with a very few exceptions(military, LE, DNA reg., past indictable with prints registered)s

SNIP

We are told DM & MS have lockjaw. They are in this for the long haul, sort of an unusual commitment to the crime and each other, which says a lot .

Just doesn't ring like a typical murder. Many here have commented about the senselessness and coldness of this murder and I agree. It just doesn't look like a rookie murder or a spur of the moment, crime of opportunity one.

All JMO

There could be other other exceptions, too, of course, IMO. Specifically, in this, as in many violent acts that otherwise may seem senseless, isn't the rule of thumb "Follow the money" ? In this case there appears to be a great deal of money, including borrowed money, that is basically untethered at the moment, and has arguably been in free fall for some time, IMO. Several prominent clues have been planted, IMO, by MSM that could prove interesting in retrospect. MOO.

I agree this does not appear to be either a rookie murder or a crime of opportunity. The "thrill kill" fall back position doesn't hold water either, IMO, with the limited usefulness of providing an explanation in the absence of facts. MOO.

 

[Carli]

It's probably one of those 'agree to disagree' things--I believe they meant he was targeted for his truck, hence the later clarification. I don't believe there was any tie between the two; I think if there was any substantial link, WS-ers would have uncovered it. But I recognize that LE's poor wording at first is something people might jump off to other theories from.

Is it possible that, while DM and TB may not have known each other or had any direct links with each other whatsoever, but completely unbeknownst to each other, they may each have had some interaction with a third party?

 

[Archangel7]

There could be other other exceptions, too, of course, IMO. Specifically, in this, as in many violent acts that otherwise may seem senseless, isn't the rule of thumb "Follow the money" ? In this case there appears to be a great deal of money, including borrowed money, that is basically untethered at the moment, and has arguably been in free fall for some time, IMO. Several prominent clues have been planted, IMO, by MSM that could prove interesting in retrospect. MOO.

I agree this does not appear to be either a rookie murder or a crime of opportunity. The "thrill kill" fall back position doesn't hold water either, IMO, with the limited usefulness of providing an explanation in the absence of facts. MOO.

Until trial, there are always other possibilities. One would think that when "following the money" the murderer(s) would somehow benefit in a monetary way. I don't see a big windfall for either DM or MS in killing TB even for a truck. I have seen murder committed for a few dollars for drugs, but the drugs that were needed were the root cause, not the money and the body wasn't carried around.

However I do believe in the remote possibility of a murder for money motive if there was only some sign of it, and more appropriate characters as hit men than these two bozos and again hit men don't generally carry the body off.

Also with all the money and real estate DM has moved around it's hard for me to buy a money motive, no pun intended. MS? Pretty low functioning excuse for a human being from what I read.

Money from chop shop? you have to move a lot of inventory, but possible as a motive.

JMO

 

[JPC]

Is it possible that, while DM and TB may not have known each other or had any direct links with each other whatsoever, but completely unbeknownst to each other, they may each have had some interaction with a third party?

I keep thinking the same thing about how close DM and MS actually were. I have only seen one photo of them together and all other photos that I have viewed are of DM and a person who is not considered a suspect and friends from out of the country. Perhaps if these douches lose the lockjaw and start speaking a bigger mastermind for the crime may be revealed and will give some clarity?? If it hasn't happened by now though, i can't imagine that it will? JMO, I'm stumped by the motive and senselessness of all of this.

 

[Eldee]

Is it possible that, while DM and TB may not have known each other or had any direct links with each other whatsoever, but completely unbeknownst to each other, they may each have had some interaction with a third party?

This is why I believe there is a giant piece of the puzzle that remains hidden. Of course, we all know there are two reasons why people kill. Love or money. So lets start here and see if we can't follow the money. It can't be love, it has to be money.
I'll start.
JMO.
WM was going through money like water with retrofitting the hangar. DM was using hangar for his own personal use and did not want any more of his inheritance spent and did not want to leave the hangar.
DM contracts out a hit on his father. He could not do it himself and he needed an alibi.
Now, he owes someone either a favour or money. Money which he may not have at his disposal since it would seem his money is ties up in real estate.
It is now up to us to figure out who he got to kill his father. Whoever that is, would be suspect #3 and would be smart enough to have an alibi, which is why LE is saying there may not be a number three. Hopefully, they know who it is but it takes time to trap him. JMO

 

[Velma]

Is it possible that, while DM and TB may not have known each other or had any direct links with each other whatsoever, but completely unbeknownst to each other, they may each have had some interaction with a third party?

LE was clear that DM and TB were not known to each other, but have we heard anything about MS and TB being known to each other or not? I can't recall hearing anything about that yet, but then again we've heard so little about MS.

 

[Velma]

Now, he owes someone either a favour or money. Money which he may not have at his disposal since it would seem his money is ties up in real estate.
It is now up to us to figure out who he got to kill his father. Whoever that is, would be suspect #3 and would be smart enough to have an alibi, which is why LE is saying there may not be a number three. Hopefully, they know who it is but it takes time to trap him. JMO

I've been wondering if LE has an idea of who #3 is, but are trying to put the confusion out there in hopes of drawing that person out.

 

[Carli]

This is why I believe there is a giant piece of the puzzle that remains hidden. Of course, we all know there are two reasons why people kill. Love or money. So lets start here and see if we can't follow the money. It can't be love, it has to be money.
I'll start.
JMO.
WM was going through money like water with retrofitting the hangar. DM was using hangar for his own personal use and did not want any more of his inheritance spent and did not want to leave the hangar.
DM contracts out a hit on his father. He could not do it himself and he needed an alibi.
Now, he owes someone either a favour or money. Money which he may not have at his disposal since it would seem his money is ties up in real estate.
It is now up to us to figure out who he got to kill his father. Whoever that is, would be suspect #3 and would be smart enough to have an alibi, which is why LE is saying there may not be a number three. Hopefully, they know who it is but it takes time to trap him. JMO

That's an interesting theory. In following the money, though, I suggest it might be useful to shelve preconceived notions about who physically carried out the crime, at least temporarily. So, let's say, for the sake of argument, that DM and possibly TB, although they don't know each other, for whatever reason, both owe money to some third party. Let's call him the "Creditor". In the case of DM there are significant assets available to a well positioned "Creditor" but not if DM is dead, IMO. In the case of TB, where there is no such available funds resource, the best that might be hoped for would be the sending of a viciously succinct message. To callously organize the murder of one leading to the long term imprisonment of the other would be optimum in this variation of a "follow the money" scenario, would it not? MOO of course, always and ever.

 

[Blomquist]

Yes I have believed for some time that another or others are involved. Following the money doesn't necessarily mean following the money of one who has it ! IMO..... more likely to be the one(s) who want it. JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

Something I've thought about wrt tweeter 2Tim was that they not only communicated with AM, but they were obviously reading here and messed a smidge with 2 of us on the board (TridentSleuth and myself). They would tweet something referencing one of us, and then when we or others would go back to look at the tweet, it would already be gone. Some posters thought it was a troll, but what troll would communicate first directly with AM with what would soon become public knowledge, and then toy with WSrs for some reason?

 

[Pink Panther]

What happened to my post???

 

[bessie]

:seeya: No link, no post. And...no copy and paste from social media.

Those particular tweets were declared off limits ages ago. We don't know the identity of the tweeter, so there's no way to verify the tweets are relevant. If anyone has information to the contrary, then please contact the mods.

:tyou:

 

[Pink Panther]

:seeya: No link, no post. And...no copy and paste from social media.

Those particular tweets were declared off limits ages ago. We don't know the identity of the tweeter, so there's no way to verify the tweets are relevant. If anyone has information to the contrary, then please contact the mods.

:tyou:

I tried re-posting again, then saw your post and deleted my second attempt.

Sorry about that.

 

[Sillybilly]

For some reason my quote feature has vanished??

Anyway Panther, I don't have any input on the lyrics. Re Leviticus 1:10-19 tho, I can't locate anything at biblegateway other than Leviticus 1:10 and 14 which are about burnt offerings:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+1&version=NKJV

For some reason my quote feature is back now and a whole bunch of stuff has vanished ... oh, I see it's Bessie with her magic wand !!!
:floorlaugh:

 

[JPC]

Wow. Let me get this straight: Was the original tweet in the other language as bell baby posted and then translated here?

I remember seeing part of the conversation but missed a good chunk it seems!

Very interesting and pours a little more concrete into some holes in one of my hypothetical dupe theories (which has been my main theory of late).

I think that we may be mulling over a similar theory.

 

[Pink Panther]

For some reason my quote feature has vanished??

Anyway Panther, I don't have any input on the lyrics. Re Leviticus 1:10-19 tho, I can't locate anything at biblegateway other than Leviticus 1:10 and 14 which are about burnt offerings:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+1&version=NKJV

For some reason my quote feature is back now and a whole bunch of stuff has vanished ... oh, I see it's Bessie with her magic wand !!!
:floorlaugh:

I found two:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+1:10-19&version=NIV

http://www.biblestudytools.com/leviticus/passage.aspx?q=leviticus+19:1-10

 

[Sillybilly]

I found two:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+1:10-19&version=NIV

http://www.biblestudytools.com/leviticus/passage.aspx?q=leviticus+19:1-10

Your second link is Leviticus 19, not Leviticus 1:10-19

ETA: the first link ^^ is to Proverbs. Oh Panther, we need a rest my friend. I keep swearing i'll take time off, but hasn't happened yet. Maybe tomorrow, LOL.

PS: Ya don't think the bible I have here would have it do ya? Some days I just can't see the forest for the trees.

Anyhoo ... Leviticus 1 (too much for me to type) only goes 1-17, but it is all about burnt offerings and dismembering things