SUSPECT IN CUSTODY MN - 2 Minnesota lawmakers and their spouses were shot by someone impersonating a police officer, JUNE 13,2025

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How on earth was this not premeditated, and what do you have to do to get charged with first-degree murder in Minnesota?

It's a function of MN law IMO.

1st degree murder requires a grand jury indictment. It appears that federal charges have priority --

He'll get his.

JMO


 
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Man charged with killing a top MN House Democrat pleads not guilty

MINNEAPOLIS -- The man charged with killing the top Democrat in the Minnesota House and her husband, and wounding a state senator and his wife, pleaded not guilty Thursday in federal court.

Vance Boelter, 58, of Green Isle, Minnesota, was indicted July 15 on six counts of murder, stalking and firearms violations. The murder charges could carry the federal death penalty, though prosecutors say that decision is several months away.

One of Boelter's attorneys entered the plea on Boelter's behalf during Thursday's arraignment. Boelter was in the courtroom and wore an orange sweatshirt and yellow pants. He spoke briefly to affirm that he understood the charges and thanked the judge

Prosecutors have moved to designate the proceedings as a “complex case” so that standard speedy trial requirements won’t apply, saying both sides will need plenty of time to review the voluminous evidence.

“The investigation of this case arose out of the largest manhunt in Minnesota’s history,” they wrote. “Accordingly, the discovery to be produced by the government will include a substantial amount of investigative material and reports from more than a dozen different law enforcement agencies at the federal, state, and local levels.”

They said the evidence will include potentially thousands of hours of video footage, tens of thousands of pages of responses to dozens of grand jury subpoenas, and data from numerous electronic devices seized during the investigation.
 
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Man charged with killing a top MN House Democrat pleads not guilty

MINNEAPOLIS -- The man charged with killing the top Democrat in the Minnesota House and her husband, and wounding a state senator and his wife, pleaded not guilty Thursday in federal court.

Vance Boelter, 58, of Green Isle, Minnesota, was indicted July 15 on six counts of murder, stalking and firearms violations. The murder charges could carry the federal death penalty, though prosecutors say that decision is several months away.

One of Boelter's attorneys entered the plea on Boelter's behalf during Thursday's arraignment. Boelter was in the courtroom and wore an orange sweatshirt and yellow pants. He spoke briefly to affirm that he understood the charges and thanked the judge

Prosecutors have moved to designate the proceedings as a “complex case” so that standard speedy trial requirements won’t apply, saying both sides will need plenty of time to review the voluminous evidence.

“The investigation of this case arose out of the largest manhunt in Minnesota’s history,” they wrote. “Accordingly, the discovery to be produced by the government will include a substantial amount of investigative material and reports from more than a dozen different law enforcement agencies at the federal, state, and local levels.”

They said the evidence will include potentially thousands of hours of video footage, tens of thousands of pages of responses to dozens of grand jury subpoenas, and data from numerous electronic devices seized during the investigation.
There’s not much complexity in this case. Prosecutors are already making excuses about the voluminous amount of evidence to review. It’s usually the defense that makes that complaint. If they don’t want to try this case they should step aside and let the state of Minnesota and Hennepin County prosecute it.
 
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Dbm
 
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The state has a great deal of evidence. It will take them a while to organize it and share it with defense. It's not uncommon these days, especially in cases where there's a lot of victims and multiple crime scenes. That means there's a lot of incriminating evidence. It's the result of the proliferation of security cams and cell phones recording events. It's also the result of so many advances in technology to develop and analyze forensic evidence. We're seeing so much of this in trials these days leading to long trials or, on the positive side, defendants approaching prosecution to make plea deals.

It seems it will be a difficult to impossible task to acquit Boelter, JMO. He's practically confessed already, especially with his crazy conspiracy theory accusations. If the prosecution is competent, they'll ask for a gag order to prevent the defense from attempting to try their case in the news media before the trial. They'll try to discredit all the video and other evidence, likely with no luck.

It will be interesting to see if they try to use Boetler's evil conspiracy theory defense, with the abhorrent and offensive claims that the governor hired him to kill these poor victims. Defense and prosecution would be roundly discredited if they allow that kind of BS defense, but nothing would surprise me these days. Nutters spouting conspiracy theories seem to be the new "celebrities" these days and law seems to mean little. JMO

Boetler seems too angry, mean and anti-social to take a plea deal, though. He seems to the type to be delusional and narcissistic enough to think he will get a jury to acquit him.
 
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The state has a great deal of evidence. It will take them a while to organize it and share it with defense. It's not uncommon these days, especially in cases where there's a lot of victims and multiple crime scenes. That means there's a lot of incriminating evidence. It's the result of the proliferation of security cams and cell phones recording events. It's also the result of so many advances in technology to develop and analyze forensic evidence. We're seeing so much of this in trials these days leading to long trials or, on the positive side, defendants approaching prosecution to make plea deals.

It seems it will be a difficult to impossible task to acquit Boelter, JMO. He's practically confessed already, especially with his crazy conspiracy theory accusations. If the prosecution is competent, they'll ask for a gag order to prevent the defense from attempting to try their case in the news media before the trial. They'll try to discredit all the video and other evidence, likely with no luck.

It will be interesting to see if they try to use Boetler's evil conspiracy theory defense, with the abhorrent and offensive claims that the governor hired him to kill these poor victims. Defense and prosecution would be roundly discredited if they allow that kind of BS defense, but nothing would surprise me these days. Nutters spouting conspiracy theories seem to be the new "celebrities" these days and law seems to mean little. JMO

Boetler seems too angry, mean and anti-social to take a plea deal, though. He seems to the type to be delusional and narcissistic enough to think he will get a jury to acquit him.
If Boetler insists on his conspiracy theory, he might be delusional enough to fire his defense team and represent himself. Lori Vallow did, though she said it was because she wanted a speedy trial and her team couldn't do it.

This case is so awful. I hope he changes to "guilty" at some point, even if it's at the last minute. And I do hope for a gag until then because the whole thing is fodder for nuts of all kinds.

jmopinion
 
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If this is moved to federal court, will this be a death penalty case?
 
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If this is moved to federal court, will this be a death penalty case?

The prosecution has said it will be, but I don't trust them. JMO.

I think their goal now is to keep their guy and his horrendous murders out of the headlines for as long as possible. As soon as they think it will benefit them, they might start generating media coverage for the DP.
 
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The prosecution has said it will be, but I don't trust them. JMO.

I think their goal now is to keep their guy and his horrendous murders out of the headlines for as long as possible. As soon as they think it will benefit them, they might start generating media coverage for the DP.
Such heinous crimes and the coverage sure went silent quickly, didn't it?

Totally agree with you.
 
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The prosecution has said it will be, but I don't trust them. JMO.

I think their goal now is to keep their guy and his horrendous murders out of the headlines for as long as possible. As soon as they think it will benefit them, they might start generating media coverage for the DP.
Same thing happened with the prosecution of Ryan Routh, the guy who tried to assassinate the President. Neither of them are getting much headline news. And yet there are so many similarities between them, both had involvement with foreign countries, both unclear where their money came from and how they were financed, both very odd individuals in terms of how they are dealing with the courts and their public defenders, etc. Pretty much radio silence from the last administration. I suspect we'll hear more on these two cases from the current administration.
 
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What we know:


According to the Hennepin County Attorney's Office, on Aug. 14, a Hennepin County grand jury returned an indictment against Boelter on the following eight charges:

  • Attempted first-degree murder of John Hoffman
  • Attempted first-degree murder of Yvette Hoffman
  • Attempted first-degree murder of Hope Hoffman
  • Attempted first-degree murder of Kristin Bahner
  • First-degree premeditated murder of Mark Hortman
  • First-degree premeditated murder of Melissa Hortman
  • Felony cruelty to an animal for Gilbert Hortman
  • Impersonating a police officer with an aggravating factor

 
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Jenny Lynne Boelter filed a petition for "dissolution with child" in Sibley County earlier this month, according to court documents. The official grounds of the divorce are unknown, as Judge Amber Donley granted her request to seal "all current and future documents filed in this matter," which are to be treated as confidential.
 
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Jenny Lynne Boelter filed a petition for "dissolution with child" in Sibley County earlier this month, according to court documents. The official grounds of the divorce are unknown, as Judge Amber Donley granted her request to seal "all current and future documents filed in this matter," which are to be treated as confidential.
If JB is divorcing him, I wonder if she will then testify about his actions in court?
 
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If JB is divorcing him, I wonder if she will then testify about his actions in court?
Maybe, but I don't think the prosecution will need her testimony. They have more than enough evidence, imo.

I'm thinking the divorce is to protect assets (as well as not wanting to be married to a murderer).

jmopinion
 
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Maybe, but I don't think the prosecution will need her testimony. They have more than enough evidence, imo.

I'm thinking the divorce is to protect assets (as well as not wanting to be married to a murderer).

jmopinion
Yes, it seems standard procedure for wives of killers these days. The wife of Rex Heuermann, the Long Island Serial Killer, recently divorced him to protect the family assets. She has claimed publicly that she still believes he’s innocent.

That may also be the case for Jenny Boelter. She probably still believes he’s innocent or is going along with the story he concocted about being hired by Gov. Walz.
 
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Yes, it seems standard procedure for wives of killers these days. The wife of Rex Heuermann, the Long Island Serial Killer, recently divorced him to protect the family assets. She has claimed publicly that she still believes he’s innocent.

That may also be the case for Jenny Boelter. She probably still believes he’s innocent or is going along with the story he concocted about being hired by Gov. Walz.
Her statement sounds heartfelt and is likely both to protest assets and her children and also because, as she said, it goes against everything her faith stands for.
 
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Her statement sounds heartfelt and is likely both to protest assets and her children and also because, as she said, it goes against everything her faith stands for.
I don’t know what “heartfelt” means in her viewpoint. Is it that she loves her husband and wants him to be acquitted even though he has admitted to the brutal premeditated political murder of 2 people and attempted political murder of 4 other people?

All of these people were kind and innocent. They were accosted in their homes in the middle of the night by a wily man who, through the use of significant financial assets of unknown origin, purchased vehicles, clothing and military-style gear disguised to make him look like a law enforcement officer. He roused them from their beds, forced his way into their homes and shot them with a military style weapon, killing two and leaving two others gravely injured and close to death.

If the wife is sympathetic to the killer and seeks his acquittal, she’s not a victim or deserving of pity or support. JMO. She may be an accomplice. She assisted in his attempts to escape. She needs to be thoroughly investigated to determine what she knows about how he acquired the funds to support his family and himself while plotting this political attack. She needs to be thoroughly investigated for the large amount of money she used in her attempts to escape from the area after the murders.

She has a lot of questions to answer about how these murders were planned and who provided the money to help carry them out. All of that is being ignored right now and that’s very troubling.

The prosecution definitely needs her testimony. They need to be asking how this murder conspiracy was planned and funded. They need to ask who provided funds and how they provided them to facilitate the escape of the wife and family of the killer. All of that investigation needs to be transparent and fully accountable under the law.

Two people died in a premeditated political assassination and 2 others were injured. It’s not a typical murder.
 
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