Suspicious behavior of Haleigh Cummings father

[Maven2379]

"I wuz at werk" was in the script from the beginning. (He mentions being there and coming from there four times in the "emotional interview".) Teresa was the "adviser" who gave him that line and instructed him to use it and to not offer any other information. She knew what she was doing, too. The 911 call and the emotional plea for Haleigh's return couldn't be avoided. But as you pointed out, he chewed the scenery and flubbed the whole performance. That's my take on it, anyway. I apologize if I've misinterpreted your post.

IA "I wuz at werk" was definitely in the script from the beginning, in fact when he first gets on the phone with 911 it's the first thing he says. It's when he sways from that simple answer, that he screws it all up. In the Greta interview he offers up information, and wants to "comment" on what Misty is saying, by the time they did the Today show interview she was on her own and he "wuz at werk".

I also agree that Teresa has been the "adviser" from the beginning, but I believe that not long after Haleigh went missing TN got an "adviser", and well we can look at the TN thread to see how well that has gone over. Of course many of the things that make her look suspicious happened without the advise of anyone.

Why would either need advise if not guilty or hiding something? :waitasec:

I also agree with others on the underbrush theory as to why he had cuts on his hand, never did buy the he punched a car ... or whatever ridiculous story that was put out there.

 

[LFlorida]

The abrasion between his pinky and ring finger could have come from something wrapped around his fingers or pulled through his fingers. Digging and pulling through shrubs and weeds could cause that kind of injury. What else?

LFlorida: How much kudzu is in the area? The dried vines in winter are still pretty tough. If you tug at it and a vine gets caught between your fingers, you can get a pretty bad scrape. I've actually done that, myself.

We have these wicked vines that grow to be almost like Tarzan vines - they have thorns on them the first few years. I have pulled about a gazillion of these and never got them wrapped between my fingers like that - at least not my pinky and ring finger.

Those cuts and abrasions just flat out baffle me.

Also, it looks like he poured iodine all over his hands... those yellow tinged stains. Guess it could be stains from plant materials, though.

 

[debs]

The yellow stains I took to be tobacco.

 

[doobiedoo52]

Before all the stories changed, didn't he say something about working for Aunt Katrina sometime that day? (monday) Cutting trees & hauling limbs also produces a lot of scratches & cuts. And I AM NOT defending the man LOL. I'm just wondering if some of the early things we heard were the actual truth.

 

[nomoresorrow]

I'm going with you and Debs with the underbrush, tree branches, etc. I've done a lot of yardwork and those look exactly like the type of cuts you get when reaching inbetween branches, digging and maybe moving around rocks or something with sharp edges, etc. They also look pretty fresh to me.

I agree too, as far as the cuts to the top-side of the hand but the injury between the pinky & ring finger looks like it could be a rope burn. Sometimes when lowering something or pulling something heavy up using rope (i.e, lowering a boat anchor manually, pulling a 5-gallon bucket up from a hole filled with dirt and/or water,..), in order to get a better grip, keep the rope from slipping and/or control the speed at which you lower something, you wrap the rope around the palm of your hand bringing it up between your thumb and index finger and then down between your ring and pinky finger. Problem is when something is heavier than you thought and you lose control of the rope, you get a rope burn - been there and done that myself. Wish we could see the palm of Ron's hand better...

MOO~

 

[LoveEndsWar]

I agree too, as far as the cuts to the top-side of the hand but the injury between the pinky & ring finger looks like it could be a rope burn. Sometimes when lowering something or pulling something heavy up using rope (i.e, lowering a boat anchor manually, pulling a 5-gallon bucket up from a hole filled with dirt and/or water,..), in order to get a better grip, keep the rope from slipping and/or control the speed at which you lower something, you wrap the rope around the palm of your hand bringing it up between your thumb and index finger and then down between your ring and pinky finger. Problem is when something is heavier than you thought and you lose control of the rope, you get a rope burn - been there and done that myself. Wish we could see the palm of Ron's hand better...

MOO~

Thats it! Good eye! It does look like a rope burn, I have been pondering since I seen the enlargement. I agree.

 

[Cicada]

I am suspicious of anyone who assumes their home and phones are bugged. Who would care about that if their child was missing? Who thinks like that anyway?
(this came from both NayNay in her interview with AH, and TM later, so I tend to believe it. I see no reason for 2 people so different to say the same thing and it not be true, imo.)

 

[bessie]

We have these wicked vines that grow to be almost like Tarzan vines - they have thorns on them the first few years. I have pulled about a gazillion of these and never got them wrapped between my fingers like that - at least not my pinky and ring finger.

Those cuts and abrasions just flat out baffle me.

Also, it looks like he poured iodine all over his hands... those yellow tinged stains. Guess it could be stains from plant materials, though.

That sounds like kudzu. In winter it becomes one big webbed mass so you can't really distinguish one vine from another. A couple of years ago, I was trying to catch a kitten who was stepping into it and grabbed a handful. I ended up with a wound similar to Ron's between my ring and middle fingers where one of the vines ripped through them.

I dunno, but that injury sure looks like it was caused by something being pulled between his fingers. And since one doesn't use those fingers to grip and pull, I think he got it caught in something.

Ooooohh...I just had an idea. Gotta go search for a photo.

 

[bessie]

I agree too, as far as the cuts to the top-side of the hand but the injury between the pinky & ring finger looks like it could be a rope burn. Sometimes when lowering something or pulling something heavy up using rope (i.e, lowering a boat anchor manually, pulling a 5-gallon bucket up from a hole filled with dirt and/or water,..), in order to get a better grip, keep the rope from slipping and/or control the speed at which you lower something, you wrap the rope around the palm of your hand bringing it up between your thumb and index finger and then down between your ring and pinky finger. Problem is when something is heavier than you thought and you lose control of the rope, you get a rope burn - been there and done that myself. Wish we could see the palm of Ron's hand better...

MOO~

That's good, Nomoresorrow. It's been awhile since I dropped an anchor, but you're absolutely right.

 

[LFlorida]

I agree too, as far as the cuts to the top-side of the hand but the injury between the pinky & ring finger looks like it could be a rope burn. Sometimes when lowering something or pulling something heavy up using rope (i.e, lowering a boat anchor manually, pulling a 5-gallon bucket up from a hole filled with dirt and/or water,..), in order to get a better grip, keep the rope from slipping and/or control the speed at which you lower something, you wrap the rope around the palm of your hand bringing it up between your thumb and index finger and then down between your ring and pinky finger. Problem is when something is heavier than you thought and you lose control of the rope, you get a rope burn - been there and done that myself. Wish we could see the palm of Ron's hand better...

MOO~

I really, really hate to write this, but the crab traps thing theorized by the bait shop guy... it would be perfect way to keep a small person's remains from being found. The trap sinks right to the river bottom. Made of stuff like poultry wire, so nothing would be able to float up - it would all stay in the trap. Cut the buoy/float marker rope and it becomes a needle in a haystack trying to locate it.

The very thought makes me ill.

 

[bessie]

I really, really hate to write this, but the crab traps thing theorized by the bait shop guy... it would be perfect way to keep a small person's remains from being found. The trap sinks right to the river bottom. Made of stuff like poultry wire, so nothing would be able to float up - it would all stay in the trap. Cut the buoy/float marker rope and it becomes a needle in a haystack trying to locate it.

The very thought makes me ill.

What bait shop guy? Several months back, I posted a theory that her little body might've been put in a mesh laundry bag and dropped in the water. The discussion was about the dirty laundry found in the dryer, and my thought was that someone emptied the dirty clothes into the dryer so the laundry bag could be used to, well... This is the first I've heard of the bait shop guy, but my reasoning was the same. I don't know if I mentioned crab traps, but I was definitely thinking about them because I'm so familiar with them. Like crab traps, a mesh laundry bag with a drawstring would keep the body contained while allowing water to pass through so the bag remains submerged. Either would have to be lowered into the water at the end of a rope, and the weight could cause a rope burn. Hmm...

 

[LFlorida]

I really, really hate to write this, but the crab traps thing theorized by the bait shop guy... it would be perfect way to keep a small person's remains from being found. The trap sinks right to the river bottom. Made of stuff like poultry wire, so nothing would be able to float up - it would all stay in the trap. Cut the buoy/float marker rope and it becomes a needle in a haystack trying to locate it.

The very thought makes me ill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrQ9YGuJiKE @ the 1:00 mark.

 

[butterfly1978]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrQ9YGuJiKE @ the 1:00 mark.

I'm having a PMS day very emotional. but yeah I have heard this theory as well as the Haleigh being feed to pigs, and thats why TN led cobra out to the green trailer. I didn't think that it was true that hogs/pigs would eat a human like that but apparently its true... Criminal Minds had an episode on it a few weeks ago. So I guess the crab trap thing could be true to. :sick:

 

[bessie]

Interesting video. How did I miss this?

I don't know if a crab trap was used or a nylon laundry bag, but I'm certain she was laid to rest in the river. It would be the most natural thing to do for people who were raised in a location surrounded by water.

 

[butterfly1978]

Does anyone know if they have sent divers into the river?

 

[Donjeta]

Before all the stories changed, didn't he say something about working for Aunt Katrina sometime that day? (monday) Cutting trees & hauling limbs also produces a lot of scratches & cuts. And I AM NOT defending the man LOL. I'm just wondering if some of the early things we heard were the actual truth.

I remember hearing that too, although I've no idea about the source. Strange how that transformed into Misty's hypnosis account of we slept until noon and laid around the house doing I don't know what until Ron had to leave to PDM. Hinky. I'd think he got rid of Haleigh by planting her at the bottom of a hole for a new bush or something, but Haleigh was at school.

 

[twall]

Does anyone know if they have sent divers into the river?

Yes, they did.

~snip~
Investigators searched house-to-house and dive teams probed the St. Johns River.
~end snip~

More at link

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

Pics here that show the searches (no divers though-but I know I have seen pics of them diving in the river searching for her-I just don't feel like digging right now!)

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/021009missinggirl/indexGallery.htm

This article also states this:

~snip~
According to investigators, Haleigh was last seen on Monday night around 10 p.m. in her mobile home on Green Lane. Haleigh, her younger brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, went to bed in the same room. Deputies say Croslin told them that the little girl got up to go to the bathroom around 3:30 a.m., about the same time Haleigh's father, Ronald, got home from work. When they went back into the bedroom they discovered Haleigh was gone.
~end snip~

BBM-This is the first story I recall hearing about how the abduction occured.
I am thinking WTH? How can someone come into your home when you are awake and take a child and you don't see them? Then the stories started changing and well, you know the rest.

 

[twall]

I'm having a PMS day very emotional. but yeah I have heard this theory as well as the Haleigh being feed to pigs, and thats why TN led cobra out to the green trailer. I didn't think that it was true that hogs/pigs would eat a human like that but apparently its true... Criminal Minds had an episode on it a few weeks ago. So I guess the crab trap thing could be true to. :sick:

Yes, pigs/hogs will eat human remains.
Ever heard of Robert Pickton?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

 

[butterfly1978]

Yes, pigs/hogs will eat human remains.
Ever heard of Robert Pickton?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

OMG :sick: that is almost exactly what happened on Criminal minds, I bet they took the story from this man.... This is so horrible, I hope that these are just theories and rumors and nothing more.. POOR HALEIGH!!

 

[ilovemew]

OMG :sick: that is almost exactly what happened on Criminal minds, I bet they took the story from this man.... This is so horrible, I hope that these are just theories and rumors and nothing more.. POOR HALEIGH!!

It says further down in the article Twall posted that yes Criminal Minds took the story but it is only very loosely based on the actual one.

Twall: Thanks for posting. People are so sick and do the most disturbing disgusting things to each other. Very sad! I hope our little Haleighbug didn't suffer.

*the video of Ron sticking the pill in his mouth where he thinks he is being so slick- I wonder how many times Haleigh saw him do that! He may have thought he was being coy and she wouldn't notice but 5 year olds are sponges. They see and hear everything you do. He was her world (rightly or wrongly) he was her daddy, the man who can move mountains and make the sun rise. A bitter pill wouldn't have mattered to her if she wanted to be just like daddy.