Syringe in bottle and traces of chloroform #2

[seagull65]

i dont want to go off topic....but i keep thinking of those tiny holes on the side ends of the duct tape..........injection sites? in the neck?

I believe the tiny holes seen on the tape ends were from the lab analysts pinning the tapes to foam board for processing, weren't they?

 

[JWG]

BBM... it was a 3cc syringe.. 1cc=1ml.

You have me on units :slap: , but hopefully you get my drift.:blowkiss:

The needle should have been nearly empty after the steroid user was done. Then it was filled with something caustic. The ratio of caustic to steroid should be really high, but it is not. It is nearly equal.

 

[RR0004]

I have to keep reminding myself that not every item tested, directly relates to the case.
keeping it simple and logical, I'm thinking that the brown liquid is the spit from the Copenhagen chewing tobacco.
Here's a pic of the crystal light bottle and the tobacco from the trash.(the tin is to the right of the bottle)

I haven't been able to locate a list of its 2000+ chemicals, but will keep digging. But some of the chemicals listed in the docs are found in cigarettes, so are likely in the tobacco too.

Why is there no nicotine present if its from tobacco? Because the nicotine is absorbed in the tissue of the mouth when its chewed, and literally goes up in smoke when its smoked.
There don't appear to be any crystal light ingredients detected either. So not all chemicals/compounds/ingredients were tracable.

Now here are some google pics showing that spitting into a bottle is common with tobacco chewing, and looks similar to the crystal light bottle in the above pic.

It makes more sense to me that a bottle of icky brown spit was found in the same trash as the tobacco tin, than KC making a lethal cocktail and leaving it in the trash.
JMO of course.

Ok...I'm confused...Casey was spitting tobacco?

 

[RR0004]

You have me on units :slap: , but hopefully you get my drift.:blowkiss:

The needle should have been nearly empty after the steroid user was done. Then it was filled with something caustic. The ratio of caustic to steroid should be really high, but it is not. It is nearly equal.

JWG- do you think the Crystal Light bottle is more telling than the Gatorade bottle?

 

[RR0004]

Since the amount of testosterone in the syringe was so minute in comparison to all the pesticide ingredients it doesn't look like the purpose of what was in the syringe was for somebody to build muscles. Bug poison can't be used as a recrerational drug. So what was the purpose of that mix in the syringe?

You are right, it is weird that that concoction was found next to a dead body. Or maybe not so weird?

Well for sure LE was trying to link the pesticides so nothing is that crazy.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I haven't read the entire previous thread.........just too much to keep up with. But has anyone mentioned that last December after Caylee's remains were found, and LE executed their search warrant on the Anthony home, they removed a lot of containers of insecticides and herbicides (weed killers) from the Anthony home?

Household cleaners, and agents for insect and weed control are poisons. Casey could have concocted a lethal cocktail from just the chemicals in the Anthony home.

That is what I was getting at. Why didn't LE grab those chemicals since the Crystal Light bottle had been found previous to December..back in July. I wonder why they waited until the Gatorade finding to execute the search warrant for those things?

 

[QuietStorm]

Thank you, and I hear you... However, you are looking at it with a rational mind, and I don't believe KC shares that thought process or none of this would ever have happened.

I can't pretend to get into her head, but I will say, I do not put this out of the realm of possibility, as it is just distorted enough for her to come up with.

Injection of some nasty substance, the worst she can think up, would seem a quick way for her to do it. Quick, no muss, no blood, no struggle, no time for remorse. Just "Cleaning up" a little problem...

Anyway, it fits for me...

Darn, I had a lovely (IMHO) long post written about the rational mind and it might work or not work in this case. But I can't seem to use the touchpad correctly on my laptop and I keep hitting something and the posts go away. I've lost quite a few that way and going backwards does not help. Some of them needed to go away, but still!

I wondered if KC was a killer, which method of killing would she use in this case? Would it be something more suited to her own needs and turmoil, or would she strut about the stage, trying on different personas and adopting what she perceives as THEIR method of killing? Is she looking at poor Caylee from KC's eyes or from the eyes of the "SODDI," taking on the persona of a Hannibal Lector or a Charles Manson and performing the murder through those eyes?

Does that make sense what I'm trying to say? What motives KC and makes pure sense to KC may never make sense to anyone else. And if she is trying to ensure that her killing methodology leads to the "some other dude," then might she kill as she perceives a crazed or drugged baby killing kidnapper would kill? Or how a 'roided out spurned fiance would kill? Or how a in-the-way roommate of the new man in her life would kill? Or how the "shaggy-haired stranger" would kill? We just don't know what script she is reading from.

I can just see her, Bates Motel style, sitting in her jail cell, talking in her own head that why, she wouldn't even hurt the fly buzzing around her head, let alone her own child.

Ooh, she's got Betty Davis eyes.

 

[MD MOMMY]

What is the shoe cleaner called? KIWI what? I wonder what the ingredients are in that?

ETA Fast Acting Cleaner..found it.

 

[JWG]

JWG- do you think the Crystal Light bottle is more telling than the Gatorade bottle?

No R^2+4,

I think the Gatorade bottle + syringe are tied to the murder. Not being a board-certified chemist I cannot show how.

I think the Crystal Light bottle is tied to the clean-up.

I can be convinced otherwise either way.

 

[RR0004]

That is what I was getting at. Why didn't LE grab those chemicals since the Crystal Light bottle had been found previous to December..back in July. I wonder why they waited until the Gatorade finding to execute the search warrant for those things?

Ok...now I understand. Good question...maybe they didn't have enough for the search (remember the trash came from TL's)? Maybe it took them a while to go through all the tests? I am too tired to look...and not even sure if there would be a date for the very first time they looked at the stuff...but it could have been months later.

 

[RR0004]

no r^2+4,

i think the gatorade bottle + syringe are tied to the murder. Not being a board-certified chemist i cannot show how.

I think the crystal light bottle is tied to the clean-up.

I can be convinced otherwise either way.

lol!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jolynna]

As far as I can tell, there were no steroids dumped, but rather there was a syringe found with traces of testosterone in it. This would fit the picture of someone using the syringe to inject steroids, then the syringe being discarded.

It leaves me wondering if GA had a prescription for the stuff, and if so, KC could have easily picked up one of the syringes after use and had other ideas what she would do with it.

On another note, as a former cath lab tech, I have a habit of folding my needles in half after use by pushing them against a counter top. We did this so they would not accidently stick someone. Also made them useless for anyone wanting to reuse them. CA being a nurse, I wonder if she had such a habit also? I'm wondering if any nurses or MD's on WS have the same habit.

I give my husband a shot of testosterone once a month. Male hormone replacement is pretty popular with male baby-boomers--like botox for baby-boomer women.

It never occurred to me to fold the needles. But, my husband's prescription is for 12 needles at a time. Actually I get 24 needles at a time, because I need a different (bigger) needle to draw the testosterone out of the vial than the one used for the shot. Anyway, since the needles come in packages as many as 24 needles possibly available at a time, KC would have access to fresh ones.

 

[QuietStorm]

I am not familiar with this accusation, could you provide a link? Yes, and as for having a vivid imagination, CA would have to be the queen.

I will say, spotting a heroin user is as easy as spotting darkness after sundown, and there are very few "recreational" heroin users. It gets to become a way of life very quickly.

Coincidence - I just read Annie's interview transcript last night and in it she discusses the fact that CA was telling people that at least RM, AH, and I think AD herself, maybe others, were using heroin.

 

[RR0004]

Darn, I had a lovely (IMHO) long post written about the rational mind and it might work or not work in this case. But I can't seem to use the touchpad correctly on my laptop and I keep hitting something and the posts go away. I've lost quite a few that way and going backwards does not help. Some of them needed to go away, but still!

I wondered if KC was a killer, which method of killing would she use in this case? Would it be something more suited to her own needs and turmoil, or would she strut about the stage, trying on different personas and adopting what she perceives as THEIR method of killing? Is she looking at poor Caylee from KC's eyes or from the eyes of the "SODDI," taking on the persona of a Hannibal Lector or a Charles Manson and performing the murder through those eyes?

Does that make sense what I'm trying to say? What motives KC and makes pure sense to KC may never make sense to anyone else. And if she is trying to ensure that her killing methodology leads to the "some other dude," then might she kill as she perceives a crazed or drugged baby killing kidnapper would kill? Or how a 'roided out spurned fiance would kill? Or how a in-the-way roommate of the new man in her life would kill? Or how the "shaggy-haired stranger" would kill? We just don't know what script she is reading from.

I can just see her, Bates Motel style, sitting in her jail cell, talking in her own head that why, she wouldn't even hurt the fly buzzing around her head, let alone her own child.

Ooh, she's got Betty Davis eyes.

Great post! I've been giving Casey a lot of thought these past few days. I'm wondering if she crossed the line from sociopath to psychopath. It would explain so much to my very rational thinking brain.

 

[seagull65]

was it on this thread or another thread where someone reminded us that TL said the Crystal Light bottle would have been from CC because he uses that (and did he say CC is the one who chews, too, or who was it?)

 

[RR0004]

was it on this thread or another thread where someone reminded us that TL said the Crystal Light bottle would have been from CC because he uses that (and did he say CC is the one who chews, too, or who was it?)

I'd be surprised if a guy was drinking Crystal Light...but not sure who CC is.

 

[MD MOMMY]

Coincidence - I just read Annie's interview transcript last night and in it she discusses the fact that CA was telling people that at least RM, AH, and I think AD herself, maybe others, were using heroin.

Thanks QS I was going back in my mental database, thanks for answering. Yes, that is where I read it. For the record none of those people scream heroine to me and I've seen my fair share of "users."

 

[LCoastMom]

Was the guy who claimed to have seen Caylee and KC 4ish at Walmart on 6/16 proved or disproved?

Sorry to be coming into this convo late, I've read quite a bit of this and the benzo's in Caylee's hair.

One thing that is pretty clear in my mind, if KC did this to Caylee, this was a 1 time thing, even if she was drugging Caylee from way back when, she was not injecting her with chemicals..

So why not just OD her on the benzo's?

If this little cocktail was KC's way out of motherhood, the variety of chemicals is big time over kill...

So if this bottle of junk, was intentionally left with Caylee, is it possible KC mixed it up after the fact, just in case Caylee was found in time to look at chemicals in her tissues to throw the whole thing off??

 

[MD MOMMY]

I'd be surprised if a guy was drinking Crystal Light...but not sure who CC is.

LMAO..my brother drinks it. He cut back on soda, lost 25 lbs by doing so and swears by the Crystal Light. So it's possible, and he is married, to a woman.

 

[Jolynna]

You have me on units :slap: , but hopefully you get my drift.:blowkiss:

The needle should have been nearly empty after the steroid user was done. Then it was filled with something caustic. The ratio of caustic to steroid should be really high, but it is not. It is nearly equal.

Testosterone is extremely thick. You have to use a bigger draw needle to get it out of the vial than you use for injections. Pushing the testosterone out with the small needle takes FOREVER. I don't know how many shotgivers carefully make sure every last drop has been delivered, especially with the patient wanting to get the shot over with.