Syringe in bottle and traces of chloroform #2

[legalmania]

I think BWI was referring to KC smoking pot not cigarettes.

What is she smoking here is it a cigar? It could be a pipe can't tell.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/casey anthony/cayleecross/2casey.jpg?o=35

 

[WhyaDuck?]

What is she smoking here is it a cigar? It could be a pipe can't tell.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/casey anthony/cayleecross/2casey.jpg?o=35

I am pretty sure it's a cigar. (Insert Freud joke here.)

 

[ynotdivein]

What is she smoking here is it a cigar? It could be a pipe can't tell.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/casey anthony/cayleecross/2casey.jpg?o=35

Cigar. If what's in the glass is bourbon or whiskey, may have dipped the inhalation end in the alcohol before inhaling. Adds some flavor, very sexy, tres chic, dontcha know... (I snark because this is not an unusual way to make cigar smoking more appealing for the daintier sex. Tried it once... Still :sick:ed.)

 

[OneLostGrl]

All this chemistry stuff goes over my head, so while I was waiting to hear back from a chemist friend, I decided to google 'tobacco' along with each of the chemicals detected in the crystal light bottle individually.
And guess what?

Every single one on the list is associated with tobacco.

2-Butanol - Solvent, also converted to Butanone- Found in tobacco

methyl ethyl ketone - Solvent, denaturing agent, cleaning agent-Found in tobacco

Methyl Alcohol – Solvent- Found in tobacco

Disulfide, dimethyl - Insecticide - contributor of urine smell- Found in tobacco

P-cresol - Disinfectants, insecticides-Found in tobacco

Anisole - Aromatic in perfumes and insecticides-Added to tobacco for aroma

Methyl Isocyanide – Pesticides- Found in tobacco

cyclohexane, [(1-methylpropyl)thio]- - Fungicide, insecticide? Adds flavor to tobacco (eeeew!)

Trimethylamine - Manufacturing use. Main source of urine smell- Found in tobacco

Phenol - Antiseptic, herbicide- Found in tobacco

2-Nonanol, 5-ethyl- - Fungicide, insecticide?-Found in tobacco

Benzothiazole - Industrial use - binding agent?- Found in tobacco

1-Methoxycycloheptatriene - Use unknown, seems to be a neurotoxin-Found in tobacco

It's still unknown if all of these are added to Copenhagen specifically, but I don't think we'll ever know for sure since the tobacco industry does not want consumers to know of all the toxins they add.

If nothing else, it's a good reason for smokers and chewers to quit. Here we are discussing this lethal mixture and all of them are used in tobacco and consumed daily.

In my mind, I'm pretty much convinced now that the brown liquid was spit from the copenhagen, but I know others feel differently, and am still open to other ideas.

Am happy to provide links if requested, but right now I'm off to take my lil princess to the park. It's a beautiful day here.
JMO

Wow, excellent work!! Makes sense to me!

How nasty what we (smokers) put into our bodies.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

WKMG reporter Tony Pipitone reports:

But a closer look the FBI laboratory test results on the liquid reveals the level of chloroform in the liquid constitutes only about 12 parts per billion. By comparison, drinking water can contain up to 80 parts per billion of chloroform and its chemical cousins and still pass the Environmental Protection Agency standards for chlorinated drinking water.

See the complete story here.

From the Today's Current News thread.

 

[DotsEyes]

Oh, thanks for the chemical list and now we know it was tobacco.

I couldn't handle the other thoughts of injecting the child with pesticide.

 

[QuietStorm]

OK, let's move on from chloroform since that proved to be a dead end. :banghead:

I took a look at what was found in the Gatorade bottle, the syringe, and the Crystal Light bottle. Here I summarize what the chemistry lab found. Later I will try to do the same for the toxicology lab (which is where the testosterone was noticed). I have sorted the compounds in order of greatest to least abundance, and I have added a little comment as to the possible purpose of the compound.

From the Gatorade bottle:

ethanol - Denatured ethanol is a solvent
dodecanol - Surfactant
limonene - Solvent
turpineol - Herbal oil
n-tridecan-1-ol - Used in cleaning solutions
2-methyl-1-undecanol - Used in cleaning solutions
7-Octen-2-ol, 2,6-dimethyl - Aromatic used in soaps
dodecane - Solvent
tetradecyl trifluoroacetate - Used in insecticides
1,7,7-trimethyl-bicyclo[2.2.1]hept-2-yl ester - ?
tert-butanol - Used to denature ethanol
eucolyptol - Frangance, insecticide
acetone - Used to denature ethanol
​

IMHO, it looks to me like the Gatorade bottle contained a household cleaner or possibly something like a degreaser. There may have been a mixture of cleaners. Clearly it was not Gatorade or anything one would want to ingest.

From the syringe:

dodecanol - Surfactant
Butylated Hydroxytoluene - Anti-oxidant used in food preservation and other industrial purposes
ethanol - Denatured alcohol is a solvent
limonene - Solvent
turpineol - Herbal oil
dodecane - Solvent
undecane - Attract moths, cockroaches
tetradecane - Cosmetic use?
​

As with the Gatorade bottle, the syringe contents suggest some form of a cleaner is present, although it does not appear to be identical to the contents found in the Gatorade bottle. Again, this appears to be a set of chemicals one would not expect to find in a syringe.

Given the testosterone was found in the toxicology analysis, my initial reaction is that the syringe was used to inject steroids and discarded. It was later found and used to hold a caustic substance.

From the Crystal Light bottle:

2-Butanol - Solvent, also converted to Butanone
methyl ethyl ketone - Solvent, denaturing agent, cleaning agent
Methyl Alcohol - Solvent
Disulfide, dimethyl - Insecticide - contributor of urine smell
P-cresol - Disinfectants, insecticides
Anisole - Aromatic in perfumes and insecticides
Methyl Isocyanide - Pesticides
cyclohexane, [(1-methylpropyl)thio]- - Fungicide, insecticide?
Trimethylamine - Manufacturing use. Main source of urine smell
Phenol - Antiseptic, herbicide
2-Nonanol, 5-ethyl- - Fungicide, insecticide?
Benzothiazole - Industrial use - binding agent?
1-Methoxycycloheptatriene - Use unknown, seems to be a neurotoxin
​

Once again, what appears to be cleaning fluid, insecticide, deodorizer, or some mixture of the above is found in the Crystal Light bottle. Not what one would expect to find.

I spent many hours last night researching the second set of chemicals -- the ones found in the syringe. I was pretty convinced that the substance in the syringe was some type of fuel. Almost all of them were found in one patent for two-cycle engine oil, for example. Still, I found some in foodstuffs, so I decided to wait until today to post. I just got home and haven't read today's posts, so forgive me if someone has already discussed my thoughts below.

In this post, I am discussing just the chemicals found in the syringe (as posted by JWG). Doing research, I found that these chemicals have many uses, but I am seeing similarities in the line of fuels. The chemicals ending in 'cane' are higher alkanes, hydrocarbons, tied to fuel, diesel, petroleum, and methane. Could this unknown substance be a fuel additive or cleaner? A special type of fuel? Two-Cycle Engine Oil lists many of these chemicals, for example. Yet so some foodstuffs have some of these 'canes' in them also. Below is some information I read about the chemicals found in the syringe.

"Alkanes [dodecane, undecane, tetradecane] are liquids of higher viscosity, less and less suitable for use in gasoline. They form instead the major part of diesel and aviation fuel. Diesel fuels are characterised by their cetane number, cetane being an old name for hexadecane. However the higher melting points of these alkanes can cause problems at low temperatures and in polar regions, where the fuel becomes too thick to flow correctly.

Alkanes from hexadecane upwards form the most important components of fuel oil and lubricating oil. In latter function they work at the same time as anti-corrosive agents, as their hydrophobic nature means that water cannot reach the metal surface."

Dodecane: An alkane hydrocarbon, a thick, oily liquid of the paraffin series. It has 355 isomers. It is used as a solvent, distillation chaser, and is also the average component of diesel fuel. Moreover it is used as a diluent for tributyl phosphate (TBP) in plants reprocessing.

Undecane: A liquid hydrocarbon of the methane series, found in petroleum; -- so called from its containing eleven carbon atoms in the molecule.

Tetradecane: A light oily hydrocarbon of the marsh-gas series; -- so called from the fourteen carbon atoms in the molecule.

Dodecanol: A saturated 12-carbon fatty alcohol obtained from coconut oil fatty acids. It has a floral odour and is used in detergents, lubricating oils, and pharmaceuticals.

Butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT): Used as a chemical antioxidant for food, cosmetics, and pharmaceuticals. BHT and BHA are used as an antioxidant in plastics, elastomers and petroleum (lubes, greases and waxes), practically bigger market size than food field. BHT is also used as a stabilizer to inhibit the auto-polymerization of organic peroxides.

Ethanol: An alcohol obtained from the fermentation of sugars and starches or by chemical synthesis. It is the intoxicating ingredient of alcoholic beverages, and is also used as a solvent, in explosives, and as an additive to or replacement for petroleum-based fuels.

Limonene: Pure limonene is a clear liquid. Limonene is a monoterpene, made up of two isoprene units. Limonene occurs in two optically active forms, l-limonene and d-limonen. Both isomers have different odours: l-limonene smells piney and turpentine like and d-limonene has a pleasing orange scent. Limonene is found in the essential oils of citrus fruits and many other plant species. Industrial limonene is produced by by alkali extraction of citrus residues and steam distillation. This distillate contains more than 90% d-limonene. Limonene is also used as a solvent and cleaner. It can replace white spirit and other solvents.

Terpineol: Any of three fragrant isomeric alcohols found in essential oils or made artificially and used especially in perfume or as solvents; formerly as an antiseptic.

Thoughts?

 

[Daylight/1257]

Oh, thanks for the chemical list and now we know it was tobacco.

I couldn't handle the other thoughts of injecting the child with pesticide.

That pretty little flower Nicotiana is a member of the nightshade family.

 

[TakeNote]

what if we look at other searchs that were done on the computer....at the time of the household weapons one....could be something there.....that was over looked....that could tie all this together.....maybe ??

From the syringe some very strange stuff that someon would want to shoot up.....

 

[OneLostGrl]

What is she smoking here is it a cigar? It could be a pipe can't tell.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/casey anthony/cayleecross/2casey.jpg?o=35

I think it's just a regular ol' cigar. It looks too perfectly put together to be a blunt and it's thicker and shorter than an average blunt and the shape of it, IMO is too perfect to have been "rolled" or "stuffed". The ash doesn't really match up either, too fat and perfectly rounded and looks as if it's part of the cigar rather than actually creating ashes. Though I suppose it could have been rolled by someone who's a he!! of a blunt roller, dudes got talent if that's the case! IMO.


I won't add any pictures of blunts cuz It's probably against TOS but all ya gotta do is search for blunts if you want to see what I'm refering to.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I am pretty sure it's a cigar. (Insert Freud joke here.)

:laugh:

 

[TakeNote]

All this chemistry stuff goes over my head, so while I was waiting to hear back from a chemist friend, I decided to google 'tobacco' along with each of the chemicals detected in the crystal light bottle individually.
And guess what?

Every single one on the list is associated with tobacco.

2-Butanol - Solvent, also converted to Butanone- Found in tobacco

methyl ethyl ketone - Solvent, denaturing agent, cleaning agent-Found in tobacco

Methyl Alcohol – Solvent- Found in tobacco

Disulfide, dimethyl - Insecticide - contributor of urine smell- Found in tobacco

P-cresol - Disinfectants, insecticides-Found in tobacco

Anisole - Aromatic in perfumes and insecticides-Added to tobacco for aroma

Methyl Isocyanide – Pesticides- Found in tobacco

cyclohexane, [(1-methylpropyl)thio]- - Fungicide, insecticide? Adds flavor to tobacco (eeeew!)

Trimethylamine - Manufacturing use. Main source of urine smell- Found in tobacco

Phenol - Antiseptic, herbicide- Found in tobacco

2-Nonanol, 5-ethyl- - Fungicide, insecticide?-Found in tobacco

Benzothiazole - Industrial use - binding agent?- Found in tobacco

1-Methoxycycloheptatriene - Use unknown, seems to be a neurotoxin-Found in tobacco

It's still unknown if all of these are added to Copenhagen specifically, but I don't think we'll ever know for sure since the tobacco industry does not want consumers to know of all the toxins they add.

If nothing else, it's a good reason for smokers and chewers to quit. Here we are discussing this lethal mixture and all of them are used in tobacco and consumed daily.

In my mind, I'm pretty much convinced now that the brown liquid was spit from the copenhagen, but I know others feel differently, and am still open to other ideas.

Am happy to provide links if requested, but right now I'm off to take my lil princess to the park. It's a beautiful day here.
JMO

thank you for all the hard work!! :hug:

one thing that is bugin me....why would LE/FBI asked TonE who drinks the crystal light? why would they care if someone used the bottle to spit in? or that there was the chew spit in there....?

 

[legalmania]

I think it's just a regular ol' cigar. It looks too perfectly put together to be a blunt and it's thicker and shorter than an average blunt and the shape of it, IMO is too perfect to have been "rolled" or "stuffed". The ash doesn't really match up either, too fat and perfectly rounded and looks as if it's part of the cigar rather than actually creating ashes. Though I suppose it could have been rolled by someone who's a he!! of a blunt roller, dudes got talent if that's the case! IMO.


I won't add any pictures of blunts cuz It's probably against TOS but all ya gotta do is search for blunts if you want to see what I'm refering to.

Well with so many scenarios and theories and Casey's big cigar I thought I would dedicate this song. Good night all.

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Now playing: Peter, Paul & Mary - Blowing in the Wind
via FoxyTunes

 

[OneLostGrl]

Well with so many scenarios and theories and Casey's big cigar I thought I would dedicate this song.

----------------
Now playing: Peter, Paul & Mary - Blowing in the Wind
via FoxyTunes

Great song!

 

[mayelf]

I'm curious if they compared the many many chemicals the father had in his garage to the chemicals they found in gatorade bottle and syringe. If she was trying to make chloroform and decided to throw in random ingredients found in her house...?

 

[LCoastMom]

thank you for all the hard work!! :hug:

one thing that is bugin me....why would LE/FBI asked TonE who drinks the crystal light? why would they care if someone used the bottle to spit in? or that there was the chew spit in there....?

I'm thinking they were just making sure all the garbage came from one place, so they didn't have to keep looking for another one of KC's "quick stops" if you know what I mean...

 

[Amanda]

If this has been discussed in this thread already, I'm sorry.. but does anyone know the shelf date on the Gatorade bottle? It says on the Gatorade site that the shelf life is 9 months. But how long does stores keep it on their shelves? Hmm I am really interested in knowing when it was packaged. I searched this thread and I know that it has already been stated that it can be traced. And they have to know this information already (when it was packaged and where the needle came from). Right? As much as I want to believe that this is connected, I just dont think it is. I just don't know. I also found a site that was interesting. It seems as if the theory of the needle was used for steroids seems very likely to me. Gatorade bottle + needle with traces of testoterone= steroid user. And this bottle is just a disposal of some kind. But I hope that I am proven wrong though.

http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/steroids1.html#4 click needles syringes

 

[Tulessa]

The mix found in the syringe and gatorade bottle is the possible smoking gun, imo. Whether the syringe was previously used for hormone replacement or body building, there is no reason for anyone to draw pesticides up into the mix. Bug killing ingredients don't build muscles, make people high or put men in the mood for love. What reason would ANYONE have to put together those ingredients other than the obvious one? The syringe and gatorade bottle were found by a dead body.

The chemical was found in a liquid contained in a Cool Blue Gatorade bottle and syringe, which were inside a World of Disney bag that lay just six inches from the 2-year-old’s skull, when it was found in December.

The girl’s mother, Casey Anthony, is charged with murder and aggravated child abuse in connection with the death, which the medical examiner ruled a homicide, though the cause of death is undetermined.




The traces of chloroform in the liquid received much media attention last week, when its presence was noted in more than 2,000 pages of documents released by the Orange-Osceola State Attorney’s Office.

HLN cable news personality Nancy Grace stated on her show the syringe was “loaded” with chloroform, and legal analysts have called the chloroform discovery a “smoking gun” or otherwise damaging to the defense.

But a closer look the FBI laboratory test results on the liquid reveals the level of chloroform in the liquid constitutes only about 12 parts per billion. By comparison, drinking water can contain up to 80 parts per billion of chloroform and its chemical cousins and still pass the Environmental Protection Agency standards for chlorinated drinking water.

Neither prosecutors nor defense attorneys would comment on the findings, but Local 6 took them to an independent chemist who said the presence of chloroform at that level was not significant.

The FBI chemist who did the tests did not even mention chloroform in his final report, turned over to investigators in July 2009 – two months after he started testing the substance.

In his report, Michael Rickenbach stated the “whitish/murky liquid … could be from a type of cleaning product. Additionally, a mixture of testosterone compounds” was identified in both the bottle and syringe.

That would suggest the syringe and bottle may be connected to someone injecting testosterone – a steroid often used by body builders and others seeking to increase muscle mass.

DNA tests on the bottle and syringe failed to produce any results.

Without any evidence tying Casey Anthony to the steroid mixture, Gatorade bottle or syringe, the contents of the World of Disney bag and its proximity to Caylee may be of no evidentiary value to either the state or the defense

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/21576734/detail.html

 

[Amanda]

Also, would KC have enough common sense to store the needle back in the paper and put it in the bottle with fluid? It goes along with her "packaging" method it seems. And I also want to know is how KC protected herself from the chloroform? Did she wear a mask of some kind? Use gloves? This will probably never be answered or figured out.. just runnin my brain here lol.

 

[Sophiered]

Casey smoked?? Where did you hear that?

I'm sure I read that she smoked and think it was in the phone transcripts.. I have also read she was a non smoker, but I think she may have smoked some times socialy. I will try to find where it mentions she did.