Tape Discussion#2- Anthony's hired DC to find Caylee dead or alive *CLIP ADDED*

[OneLostGrl]

I AGREE ,I really believe some how some way KC and loverboy are behind it.
Making the parents look to be the biggest liars in the world.
If the parents are despised will someone on the jury feel poor KC ,what must have her childhood been like? Who gains the most if KC gets off the one who holds the movie deal in his hand . Baez has KC power of attorney .

Casey can't even cover up her own lies. and you expect people to think she's keeping track of enough lies to make her entire family look bad? That LE & the FBI cannot uncover those lies of hers? I think it's been shown Casey is a lousy liar and does not have the ability to keep things like what you suggest straight in her own mind let alone passing it off to LE as possible.

MO

 

[LancelotLink]

No criminal lawyer in their right mind goes public with statements like "my client said he never met him". Did it ever occur to him his client may have lied to him? Most criminal lawyers realise their clients lie from time to time and zip it til they have to open it at trial, unless they have to put on an alibi notice or something. Clients can change their stories lots of times before trial, and you don't convey to the press each and every story your client tells you along the way, unless of course you hate your client and don't care to practise law anymore.

What rings the alarm bells for me are all of the lawyer's blanket denials. He's trying so hard to put out the fire that has started, he is sending up all the wrong smoke signals...

 

[OneLostGrl]

so why are we still talking about it?!

lol..

 

[Pink Panther]

Casey can't even cover up her own lies. and you expect people to think she's keeping track of enough lies to make her entire family look bad? That LE & the FBI cannot uncover those lies of hers? I think it's been shown Casey is a lousy liar and does not have the ability to keep things like what you suggest straight in her own mind let alone passing it off to LE as possible.

MO

She's a chitty liar...That's for sure! Agreed!

 

[Hot Dogs]

KC had no reason to hide clothing or a cell phone or anything like that at an abandoned home. If she wanted to get rid of that, she could just throw it in any dumpster anywhere. A whole month passed before she was caught with Caylee missing. That stuff would have been in a landfill for a month before anyone would even think to search for it.

Why would she feel the need to hide those kinds of things instead of just putting them in a trash receptacle?

 

[Pink Panther]

KC had no reason to hide clothing or a cell phone or anything like that at an abandoned home. If she wanted to get rid of that, she could just throw it in any dumpster anywhere. A whole month passed before she was caught with Caylee missing. That stuff would have been in a landfill for a month before anyone would even think to search for it.

Why would she feel the need to hide those kinds of things instead of just putting them in a trash receptacle?

I don't know why but I DO think that she dumped other potentially incriminating items at another location. I don't think that it's a coincidence that DC was searching in a very different manner in a separate and different location from where he may have been searching for a body...

 

[mollie]

I don't know why but I DO think that she dumped other potentially incriminating items at another location. I don't think that it's a coincidence that DC was searching in a very different manner in a separate and different location from where he may have been searching for a body...

PP, I totally agree with you. I think this goes back to the rumor of KC saying "they haven't even found her clothes". I believe her love of CSI and all crime shows made her think this way. It turned in to a game for KC, and no one is safe from her, literally. Who knows where she planted some of the items?

 

[mysteriew]

Just had a look at the article that the PI was not talking to his daughter, and allegedly wasn't talking to LA. He was talking to a psychic? And did that psychic give him the extra phone for them to talk on? Maybe that was a "special psychic connection???" Ok, so the KioMaria tip wasn't working so it gets changed to psychic. The talking to daughter story wasn't working, so let's try out the old "talking to psychic" and see if that works. I wonder if it was the "Where the German Shepard pees?" psychic?

Maybe I am supposed to be slow, but they really want me to believe that they got a call from a psychic and it was so realistic that they rushed right out to investigate? I mean he hadn't even had time to prepare for a search and was wearing his dress pants. And it must have been more detailed than usual, since he knew to look in the right area, in plastic bags? LOL, most psychics can't get that detailed. I hope he wasn't talking on a burner phone so that he can prove this. The only way I will believe it is if the phone company has a record.

 

[Pink Panther]

PP, I totally agree with you. I think this goes back to the rumor of KC saying "they haven't even found her clothes". I believe her love of CSI and all crime shows made her think this way. It turned in to a game for KC, and no one is safe from her, literally. Who knows where she planted some of the items?

I totally agree with you about her "love of CSI and all crime shows" and think that she may very well have divied up the evidence at different locations. Given where she left Caylee though, I am now inclined to believe that the other items are in equally stupid and obvious locations that most of us would believe too stupid and blatant to notice!

MOO

 

[twomanywords]

Does anyone think on the second video, when DC is moving the pavers, that it looks like there are spots of blood???
Right before he turns it over it looks like a rose bud on it. Then the other one has what looks like blood spots all over it!
What if this place was where the crime took place and there was blood spatters

 

[mysteriew]

KC had no reason to hide clothing or a cell phone or anything like that at an abandoned home. If she wanted to get rid of that, she could just throw it in any dumpster anywhere. A whole month passed before she was caught with Caylee missing. That stuff would have been in a landfill for a month before anyone would even think to search for it.

Why would she feel the need to hide those kinds of things instead of just putting them in a trash receptacle?

On CSI they are always finding things in dumpsters. I would think that might make a show fan a little leery of using them for disposal.

 

[starpatch]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=2720701

Found video of Cindy using the phrase Nurse of Decomposition

I had never seen that video before.

It looks as though Geo. is very upset by what she is saying and wants her out of there PRONTO...He really looked disgusted.

It was almost as if he was looking at ca with a loss of respect for what she is doing.

:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec::waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

 

[mikeysmommom]

Casey can't even cover up her own lies. and you expect people to think she's keeping track of enough lies to make her entire family look bad? That LE & the FBI cannot uncover those lies of hers? I think it's been shown Casey is a lousy liar and does not have the ability to keep things like what you suggest straight in her own mind let alone passing it off to LE as possible.

MO

I did not mean KC , she is a horrible liar but Baez could have sent Hoover and DC to the Anthonys. Maybe they are on his payroll behind everybodys back. It seems the ony moral person was MNJ, since then it seems anyone who is on the anthony team does everything in a backwards sort of way.IMO The very people who are suppose to be helping them seem to only make them look worse.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I had never seen that video before.

It looks as though Geo. is very upset by what she is saying and wants her out of there PRONTO...He really looked disgusted.

It was almost as if he was looking at ca with a loss of respect for what she is doing.

:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec::waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

I see a woman on alot of medication who has not yet realized her daughter did in fact kill Caylee. George was not medicated he had a clear head he is not in the torment that she is in.Remember she was the one who was fed up with Casey and fought with her, she is blaming herself for Caylee being gone. JMO

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

KC had no reason to hide clothing or a cell phone or anything like that at an abandoned home. If she wanted to get rid of that, she could just throw it in any dumpster anywhere. A whole month passed before she was caught with Caylee missing. That stuff would have been in a landfill for a month before anyone would even think to search for it.

Why would she feel the need to hide those kinds of things instead of just putting them in a trash receptacle?

My theory is that she wanted it to look like a kidnapping, so she left anything she thought was consistent with a kidnapping near Caylee, but hid anything inconsistent with a kidnapping elsewhere.

I remember a lot of people thought Casey put Caylee in a dumpster too...but thankfully that didn't happen. Maybe she thought they'd check the landfills but not dig on an abandoned property? I really think she believed that they would believe her and not investigate her or what she was claiming.

 

[ThoughtFox]

in Georgia - Under normal civil actions, I would not talk to authorities without an Attorney but you have to remember that you are talking about a murder case. Should you not agree to talk to the authorities in some form or fashion one or all will happen.

1. you will be charged with withholding critical information in a murder case.

2. interfering with an on going investigation.

But in the state of Florida, a PI is not required under law to disclose certain items discovered during the investigation to the authorities. I will look up the statute and post it later.

That may well be true, and you certainly may know more than the rest of us on this matter.

BUT . . . it looks really bad for the Anthony family if they all knew where Caylee might be, and their PI knew, but none of them did one thing to stop searches elsewhere. Plus they tried to get the FBI to search out of state.

So whether it's technically "legal" for a PI to withhold info from Law Enforcement or not, it's ethically questionable, and to a jury it could raise alot of doubt about the family's involvement and a cover-up to protect Casey.

My point is that a PI who would do that isn't doing the family any favors.

 

[mysteriew]

Basically,

In American civil procedure, the work-product doctrine protects materials prepared in anticipation of litigation from discovery by opposing counsel. It is also known as the work-product rule, the work-product immunity, the work-product privilege and the work-product exception.


Under the work-product doctrine, "tangible material or its intangible equivalent" that is collected or prepared in anticipation of litigation is not discoverable, and may be shielded from discovery by a Protective Order, unless the party seeking discovery can demonstrate that the sought facts can only be obtained through discovery and that those facts are indispensable for impeaching or substantiating a claim. That is, the party unable to obtain the information has no other means of obtaining the information without undue hardship.


Comparison with attorney-client privilege

The work-product doctrine is more inclusive than attorney-client privilege. Unlike the attorney-client privilege, which includes only communications between an attorney and his client, work-product includes materials prepared by persons other than the attorney himself: The materials may have been prepared by anybody as long as they were prepared with an eye towards the realistic possibility of impending litigation. Additionally, it includes materials collected for the attorney such as interrogatories, signed statements, other information acquired for the prosecution or defense of a case, "memoranda, briefs, communications . . . other writings prepared by counsel for his own use in prosecuting his client's case . . . mental impressions, conclusions, opinions, or legal theories."

However, the work-product doctrine is also less powerful than the attorney-client privilege because it is not a privilege, and therefore may be overcome by a showing of necessity.

If the PI's were hired by the family game over.

If the PI's were hired by an Attorney then the work product should apply.

To take it further as to the ownership of the tape or tape's, in my contracts it states that my agency holds control and possession of the master tapes.

Hope this helps.

If the PI was working pro bono, would that make any difference?

If the PI was the one to set things up with the A's, then talked another PI into also investigating pro bono- would that change anything?

Another issue would be what if the PI's were working for the A's, but conducted the search without their knowlege or consent, and also didn't have their knowlege or consent to tape the search?

 

[ThoughtFox]

Here is a much better version of the video. It's the Greta show. It is missing some parts, but much of what it shows is decent resolution and color.

The thing some thought was a book appears not to be. The blanket doesn't look pink, and may not even be a blanket.

Um, according to the reporting there on Greta, that scene in the video is not identical to the crime scene, right? In this film, there are some pizza boxes and stuff, but it may not show the "book" object. Plus, the camera work is so shaky and unfocused that it's not even clear what is in the picture.

There are actual police photos from the real crime scene before and after it was investigated by police, with the "book" there and then gone after being taken by police, as well as something that looked like a toy tiger. I didn't see anything like that in this picture, near as my tired eyes could tell.

 

[Imajica]

Sammi99, I watched the video you linked since I had heard others previously mention CA claiming to be a "Nurse of Decomposition" for several months now.

What Cindy said was several things at once;

"I've smelled an odor before(Ya know I'm a nurse)of decomposition, that was worst thing I have ever smelled, that bag of pizza with maggots in there..."

What it appears she was trying to say was this;

"I've smelled an odor before of decomposition. You know I'm a nurse? That was the worst thing I have ever smelled, that bag of pizza with maggots in there."

But she started her sentence on camera, and then remembered that she wanted to qualify her "expert sense of smell" with the fact that she was a nurse and therefore possessed intimate knowledge about the odor a newly deceased body gives off.

But because she blurted everything out all together it appeared she was claiming to be a "Nurse of Decomposition".

 

[beckaroozie]

A snippet from a story in the Orlando Sentinel this morning! WOW!

"His attorney, John Liguori, told the Sentinel last week that Casey told Hoover that Caylee was dead and to search those woods for her remains."

It gets deeper.