Team JonBenet

[Toltec]

"Average people" most likely not think twice about wearing the same outfit...but we're talking about Patsy Paugh, former Miss West Virginia. Appearances were everything to Patsy...so much so that she made sure to make time to do her hair and put on fresh make-up and in doing so she had no time to take a shower. She knew that she was going to call in her friends, and God forbid Priscilla and Barbara see her without makeup on.

Nobody is exempt from rage...it is unpredictable. People do terrible things when rage takes over. They are not themselves...they become monsters. It takes but a second for a person under the influence of rage to pick up the first thing they see and strike someone. It's animal instinct.

If the Ramseys were innocent then why spend millions of dollars trying to defend themselves? All they needed to do was answer questions LE put to them, take a lie-detector test...then let the investigation go forward. John Ramsey acknowledged that the parents are always suspect #1, and instead of cooperating he lawyered up with the most expensive DEFENSE ATTORNIES in the state of Colorado. This lawyering up did not take place a week after the murder....but the very day of the murder. It was no coincidence that a "bussiness" associate like Mike Bynum showed up. Someone in the Ramsey household called him. He was most likely the only lawyer they knew...and he, according to John was not a friend....just another associate of his.

What people who think the Ramseys are innocent don't get is this:

John Ramsey spent his entire fortune DEFENDING himself, Patsy, Burke and other family members. Wouldn't an innocent person spend all his money hiring every available detective, ex-FBI agents, etc...and NO!, the DEFENSE INVESTIGATORS were not looking for the killer...just locking up witness statements and snooping around trying to find out what BPD evidence they have.

The Boulder DA's office slept with Morgan and his associates. Pete Hofstrom even had his "monthly" dinners with defense lawyer. DA Hunter and Morgan were friendly with each other...so much so that Hunter "gave away the store". What suspects are given their prior statements before being interrogated????

Patsy Ramsey killed her daughter, and although she did not spend one minute in JAIL...she became imprisoned in her mind, suffering every day knowing she killed her daughter...and along with her emotional pain she suffered physical pain until her death.

Justice??? Maybe so.

 

[BBB167893]

"the DEFENSE INVESTIGATORS were not looking for the killer...just locking up witness statements and snooping around trying to find out what BPD evidence they have."

And targeting potential witnesses for prosecution!

 

[LinasK]

"I think I read somewhere ..."

"Not only that,but it's believed ..."

That's how rumors get started.

It wasn't just mad, it was black rage. ConcernedPerson was the poster here who experienced Patsy's rage firsthand in a real estate office in Georgia. Check with her for the details. She's posted her experience before in other threads...

 

[Britt]

Yes, there was probably a dissenting opinion or two, though I don't know unless someone can provide a source or quote, but the overwhelming majority opinion was prior/chronic abuse. It is not an evenly divided issue.

That's about the size of it, far as I know. It might help to mention that John McCann is generally recognized as THE authority on the subject.

Thanks for reminding me of that, SuperDave. Here's a very interesting old post on Dr. McCann's findings:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=213106&highlight=mccann+bonita#post213106

 

[aussiesheila]

Nobody is exempt from rage...it is unpredictable. People do terrible things when rage takes over. They are not themselves...they become monsters. It takes but a second for a person under the influence of rage to pick up the first thing they see and strike someone. It's animal instinct.

I'd probably agree with you on this Toltec.

But just when do you think rage kicks in? When someone has attacked one of your children? I would say yes it would most definitely then.

But when your 6 year old daughter wets the bed, even if it is for the 1000th time, when you have automatic washing and drying machines, an unlimited supply of sheets and a housekeeper to boot? I don't think so.

 

[Brefie]

But when your 6 year old daughter wets the bed, even if it is for the 1000th time, when you have automatic washing and drying machines, an unlimited supply of sheets and a housekeeper to boot? I don't think so.

However, when your husband is worth roughly $7 million, a daughter who is so beautiful she is the talk of the town, a healthy (presumably) smart son and a generally successful happy family, you allow a group to molest your only daughter.
No, no, no..........I don't think so.

 

[aussiesheila]

It wasn't just mad, it was black rage. ConcernedPerson was the poster here who experienced Patsy's rage firsthand in a real estate office in Georgia. Check with her for the details. She's posted her experience before in other threads...

Yes I read that a long time ago. I can't remember the detail but I remember thinking yes I can imagine Patsy behaving like that. Wasn't it more of a tongue lashing though or did she get physically violent? I don't think she did. I still think it was a far cry from the rage that Patsy would have required for her to kill JonBenet over yet another instance of bedwetting.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

However, when your husband is worth roughly $7 million, a daughter who is so beautiful she is the talk of the town, a healthy (presumably) smart son and a generally successful happy family, you allow a group to molest your only daughter.
No, no, no..........I don't think so.

When your husband is worth 7 million, you know how to spell 'b-u-s-i-n-e-s-s."

 

[Brefie]

You think that every rich guys wife is smart??

I would think the degree in journalism would have taught her how to spell business.

Did you expect her to NOT try to cover up the fact that it was she writing the note?
She knows how to spell business.
She's not part of a foreign faction and she certainly knew that her daughter would NOT be beheaded, regardless of whom she called.

 

[aussiesheila]

However, when your husband is worth roughly $7 million, a daughter who is so beautiful she is the talk of the town, a healthy (presumably) smart son and a generally successful happy family, you allow a group to molest your only daughter.
No, no, no..........I don't think so.

Well I do think so, because even if, in spite of all these benefits, your own father had sexually abused you when you were a small girl and you still haven't dealt with it, then when he starts abusing your own daughter and you are suffering the onset of ovarian cancer, I don't think you have the mental strength, especially if your husband is away on business a lot, to stand up for your daughter and stop it from happening to her. After that it's just an inexorable slide into having to accept that another, that being your husband's best friend, has possibly joined in the abusing also.

 

[Goody]

Well I do think so, because even if, in spite of all these benefits, your own father had sexually abused you when you were a small girl and you still haven't dealt with it, then when he starts abusing your own daughter and you are suffering the onset of ovarian cancer, I don't think you have the mental strength, especially if your husband is away on business a lot, to stand up for your daughter and stop it from happening to her. After that it's just an inexorable slide into having to accept that another, that being your husband's best friend, has possibly joined in the abusing also.

Are you saying Patsy's father sexually abused her? This is the first I ever heard of that.

 

[Brefie]

Well I do think so, because even if, in spite of all these benefits, your own father had sexually abused you when you were a small girl and you still haven't dealt with it, then when he starts abusing your own daughter and you are suffering the onset of ovarian cancer, I don't think you have the mental strength, especially if your husband is away on business a lot, to stand up for your daughter and stop it from happening to her. After that it's just an inexorable slide into having to accept that another, that being your husband's best friend, has possibly joined in the abusing also.

Good Lord. You don't FIGHT off a child molester everytime he wants to have his way with your child. I imagine you only have to let most abusers that you are on to them to get them to stop. I mean, really, if it's an on-going struggle to keep a child abuser away, then that's just plain demented and why wouldn't you shop them to the police???

And I have NEVER, EVER heard of a mother just 'having to accept' that her husband's best friend is joining in the 'abuse'. Why wouldn't she just tell John?

And 'POSSIBLY' joined in the abusing? Are you suggesting that Patsy offered up JonBenet to so many people she wasn't quite sure who all of the members were?

I don't know whose opinion of Patsy is worse....I daresay it's yours.

Edited to add: what makes you think Don abused Patsy?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You think that every rich guys wife is smart??

I would think the degree in journalism would have taught her how to spell business.

Did you expect her to NOT try to cover up the fact that it was she writing the note?
She knows how to spell business.
She's not part of a foreign faction and she certainly knew that her daughter would NOT be beheaded, regardless of whom she called.

Hand writing a 2 1/2 page ransom note while leaving a garrote around the murdered child made from pieces you broke off in your own paint tote isn't really a 'cover up', is it. Its a mess, isn't it?
:laugh:

 

[Brefie]

Hand writing a 2 1/2 page ransom note while leaving a garrote around the murdered child made from pieces you broke off in your own paint tote isn't really a 'cover up', is it. Its a mess, isn't it?
:laugh:

Oh, it's a total mess....but it worked!

 

[aussiesheila]

When your husband is worth 7 million, you know how to spell 'b-u-s-i-n-e-s-s."

Yes I'm sure you do, but if you are writing a note that purports to be from a foreign kidnapper you make sure you slip in a few spelling mistakes to add a touch of authenticity to it.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Oh, it's a total mess....but it worked!

Hello, there was nothing overwhelming to link either parent to the murder, even though there was a ton of crime scene evidence.

 

[Brefie]

When your husband is worth 7 million, you know how to spell 'b-u-s-i-n-e-s-s."

Now, I won't be trying to PROVE this, but I would bet all I had that there are at least 10 women in the US who are married to multi millionaires and who would also mis-spell business.

 

[aussiesheila]

Are you saying Patsy's father sexually abused her? This is the first I ever heard of that.

Yes I do but sorry at the moment I don't have time to look up the sources, but I will.

 

[Brefie]

Hello, there was nothing overwhelming to link either parent to the murder, even though there was a ton of crime scene evidence.

Hello yourself. There was also ZERO evidence that an uninvited person was in the house that night.

I believe the term in court is 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. I don't think 'overwhelming' comes into it at all, or there would be very few perps in prison.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Hello, there was nothing overwhelming to link either parent to the murder, even though there was a ton of crime scene evidence.

Dude...out of 73 people, Patsy alone was never excluded as the author of the ransom note, the note that was written on paper from inside the house with a pen from inside the house. That's overwhelming, if you ask me. Add in fibers matching her jacket found in the paint tray, on the piece of tape, and in the knot of the garotte. A less wealthy and affluent woman would have not have fared as well as Patsy Ramsey did with that kind of evidence pointing at her.