Teen mom shoots intruder dead 1 week after husband dies of cancer

[lonetraveler]

Yeah i understand the first thought to be quiet. but 20 minutes and a 911 call..if he is still trying to come thru after 20 minutes what do you have to lose by making noise? if the intruder go inside in just a couple of minutes then of course there is no other way but to do what you need to do. but if you have a gun, you have called police, don't you think it would be better to let him know that? I don't think he knew she was there. but i don't know the whole story..but the stalking allegation has me perplexed. seems like an invention. mother said she was "stalked" at a rodeo two years ago.. then the description was he followed her around and to her truck...then she said she really didn't know him, but saw him around town...then there was the recent visit at her home where he introduced himself as a neighbor..acted strangly but then left because her family was there...where in those descriptions do you see stalking? i worry when someone is working really hard to convince me of something...could it be a justification of some sort? perhaps the fact this young girl is unsophisticated and in shock she just was worried the fact he just busted down the door is all she really needs to see to fire that weapon, or maybe there is something else going on. but if you decide to stay quiet if someone is prying your door, i would suggest you call 911 then make that person know it.

With the intruder trying to break into the door of a mobile home, I'm willing to bet that he heard her push that heavy couch against the door. That would have alerted him that she was definitely at home. This man intended to get in that mobile home and I fully believe that her and her baby's lives were threatened. Does it really matter if this man knew her? Does it really matter if it is found that the man obtained pills in the past from there (not saying that this ever, ever happened)? All that matters to me is that these two men were willfully carrying out a home invasion and meant harm to this woman and baby. She is right in defending herself and her child. As far as her being quiet and being in the dark; well, I would not want the intruder to see me through the window. I would not want to present myself as a target. He could very easily have had a gun.

 

[Mikebr]

With the intruder trying to break into the door of a mobile home, I'm willing to bet that he heard her push that heavy couch against the door. That would have alerted him that she was definitely at home. This man intended to get in that mobile home and I fully believe that her and her baby's lives were threatened. Does it really matter if this man knew her? Does it really matter if it is found that the man obtained pills in the past from there (not saying that this ever, ever happened)? All that matters to me is that these two men were willfully carrying out a home invasion and meant harm to this woman and baby. She is right in defending herself and her child. As far as her being quiet and being in the dark; well, I would not want the intruder to see me through the window. I would not want to present myself as a target. He could very easily have had a gun.

I don't agree. her actions and his lead me to believe he thought the trailer was empty. and according to the accomplice and the 911 tape the accomplice never was trying to get in. only one man was seen..the accomplice called police and turned himself in.

Let me make it clear, he needed no warning...if someone breaks open a door, whether he thinks the place is empty or occupied it is lawful and in my mind justifiable to shoot. i do not believe he was behaving like he was after her. if he was an enraged or deranged stalker he would have been in that house in seconds...its not that hard to break into a trailer...he seemed to be looking for an easy way in for an extended period of time..but i think everyone misses my points..

Why the need to embellish? Why the inconsistencies i have pointed out before? could the meds being stolen while i was gone story be a cover? i mean what druggy would keep coming into a house to steal pain killers a little at a time? what stranger? if those pills were turning up missing, which i doubt, but if they were it would be because someone lawfully in the house was taking them...or its a cover to explain why so many are not there based on prescriptions...narcotics like those should be turned over for disposal at time of the patients death...but i am sure it would be the last thing on our list...but what if she knew it would not add up..so she said that to explain the difference...or did she tell that suspicion to further explain her fear at the time of the shooting? are there pills missing or not? how many are there and how many should be there? you know oxicoton is a highly addictive drug and its causing armed robberies in drug stores all over the country...its like a legal form of heroin...imho it should be outlawed completely...but because of its popularity on the streets, it goes for a pretty hefty black market price. it would not be unusual for a legal patient to sell a few to pay some bills...remember she sold his other guns to pay for the funeral...

Her story about some pills have been missing...and her suspicions just don't jive with me...

 

[Mikebr]

Why don't you want to answer what you would want your female relative to do in this situation?

i would want them to get their gun, dial 911 and then yell at the top of their lungs..i have a gun, i have the police on the phone and they are coming, i will kill you if you come thru that door...and if that door flew open after that i would want them to shoot..that is exactly what i would do...descretion is the better part of valor..once she let that door fly open anything could have happened...thats why the dispatcher wanted her to set off an alarm if she had one...it seemed her desire was to shoot...and she seems quite proud of herself....if it were me i would be crushed..justified but crushed. besides who wants all that blood all over the place?

 

[lonetraveler]

They could have other crimes they are looking at evidence for. Maybe other break ins. Or rapes. Or other home invasions. There could be a lot of things. Plus they do have a responsibility to confirm what they are told about a crime. Maybe she says he has called her or sent her emails or contacted her on facebook or something. The fact that the laptop and phone went missing alone is something that would make them curious about why it went missing.

Yep, his laptop and phone might be be ones that he "borrowed" while breaking into another home.

 

[lonetraveler]

i would want them to get their gun, dial 911 and then yell at the top of their lungs..i have a gun, i have the police on the phone and they are coming, i will kill you if you come thru that door...and if that door flew open after that i would want them to shoot..that is exactly what i would do...descretion is the better part of valor..once she let that door fly open anything could have happened...thats why the dispatcher wanted her to set off an alarm if she had one...it seemed her desire was to shoot...and she seems quite proud of herself....if it were me i would be crushed..justified but crushed. besides who wants all that blood all over the place?

I disagree with part of your post:

"...it seemed her desire was to shoot...and she seems quite proud of herself...."

She stated that she wanted LE to hurry and get there before she had to shoot. That may be why it took twenty + minutes and the man finally breaking into the home before she was forced to fire the weapon. Doesn't sound like she was in a hurry to shoot to me. What other choice do you think she had when the man busted into the home? He probably thought that this little woman couldn't shoot him. In fact he bet his life that she would'nt shoot him......hey.............he lost that bet. I've had the unfortunate opportunity to stand face to face with a man who laughed at a gun pointed at his face and who tried to kick the gun out of my hand. He never once blinked an eye at a woman holding a gun at his face. There are men like that you know.

 

[lonetraveler]

I don't agree. her actions and his lead me to believe he thought the trailer was empty. and according to the accomplice and the 911 tape the accomplice never was trying to get in. only one man was seen..the accomplice called police and turned himself in.

Let me make it clear, he needed no warning...if someone breaks open a door, whether he thinks the place is empty or occupied it is lawful and in my mind justifiable to shoot. i do not believe he was behaving like he was after her. if he was an enraged or deranged stalker he would have been in that house in seconds...its not that hard to break into a trailer...he seemed to be looking for an easy way in for an extended period of time..but i think everyone misses my points..

Why the need to embellish? Why the inconsistencies i have pointed out before? could the meds being stolen while i was gone story be a cover? i mean what druggy would keep coming into a house to steal pain killers a little at a time? what stranger? if those pills were turning up missing, which i doubt, but if they were it would be because someone lawfully in the house was taking them...or its a cover to explain why so many are not there based on prescriptions...narcotics like those should be turned over for disposal at time of the patients death...but i am sure it would be the last thing on our list...but what if she knew it would not add up..so she said that to explain the difference...or did she tell that suspicion to further explain her fear at the time of the shooting? are there pills missing or not? how many are there and how many should be there? you know oxicoton is a highly addictive drug and its causing armed robberies in drug stores all over the country...its like a legal form of heroin...imho it should be outlawed completely...but because of its popularity on the streets, it goes for a pretty hefty black market price. it would not be unusual for a legal patient to sell a few to pay some bills...remember she sold his other guns to pay for the funeral...

Her story about some pills have been missing...and her suspicions just don't jive with me...

Sorry you feel that way. I think that she is just being plain honest. She appeared to me to be a "matter of fact" type person. IMO, she most likely put two and two together pretty quickly, ie., two dogs missing, pills missing, some weird stranger approaching her at his home and recognizing him as the very same one who had followed her on another occasion. I think that "feeling like a person is stalking you" is when you get that instinct that all people can get that is telling you that you are in danger. I think that a person stating that they were being stalked probably knows more about the situation than a person who tries to tell that person if they are really being stalked or not.

It really comes down to an "unauthorized" man was breaking into her home and she waited twenty minutes until he broke into her home to shoot him. Unfortunately, if LE had arrived in time maybe she would not have had to shoot him but the facts are, LE didn't arrive before the man managed to enter the home. I bet the second man is thankful that he didn't break into the back door before the other man broke into the front door!! I guess being "second" isn't always a bad thing.

 

[Mikebr]

I disagree with part of your post:

"...it seemed her desire was to shoot...and she seems quite proud of herself...."

She stated that she wanted LE to hurry and get there before she had to shoot. That may be why it took twenty + minutes and the man finally breaking into the home before she was forced to fire the weapon. Doesn't sound like she was in a hurry to shoot to me. What other choice do you think she had when the man busted into the home? He probably thought that this little woman couldn't shoot him. In fact he bet his life that she would'nt shoot him......hey.............he lost that bet. I've had the unfortunate opportunity to stand face to face with a man who laughed at a gun pointed at his face and who tried to kick the gun out of my hand. He never once blinked an eye at a woman holding a gun at his face. There are men like that you know.

I never heard her say that...i heard her asked if she could shoot him? he was only 5 feet tall..he was probably shorter than her. and there was a couch to slow him down...the outcome would have been the same if had chosen to come in after she yelled that...but my guess we will never know...he is dead. maybe she was making sure he couldn't talk..ever think of that.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I never heard her say that...i heard her asked if she could shoot him? he was only 5 feet tall..he was probably shorter than her. and there was a couch to slow him down...the outcome would have been the same if had chosen to come in after she yelled that...but my guess we will never know...he is dead. maybe she was making sure he couldn't talk..ever think of that.

BBM - Nope.

I never thought of that.

Because she is the VICTIM.
He was the CRIMINAL.

He kicked in her door. He deserved what he got.
One less criminal.

JMO

 

[Mikebr]

Sorry you feel that way. I think that she is just being plain honest. She appeared to me to be a "matter of fact" type person. IMO, she most likely put two and two together pretty quickly, ie., two dogs missing, pills missing, some weird stranger approaching her at his home and recognizing him as the very same one who had followed her on another occasion. I think that "feeling like a person is stalking you" is when you get that instinct that all people can get that is telling you that you are in danger. I think that a person stating that they were being stalked probably knows more about the situation than a person who tries to tell that person if they are really being stalked or not.

It really comes down to an "unauthorized" man was breaking into her home and she waited twenty minutes until he broke into her home to shoot him. Unfortunately, if LE had arrived in time maybe she would not have had to shoot him but the facts are, LE didn't arrive before the man managed to enter the home. I bet the second man is thankful that he didn't break into the back door before the other man broke into the front door!! I guess being "second" isn't always a bad thing.

The pill missing story is pure bunk...the dogs were first missing then she said poisoned..which is it? and she said in her latest interview when rumors started she had been having an affair with the dead kid...not true i think..but she said she did not know him, had only had 3 encounters with him...now we know according to her mom the first was at a rodeo two years before and the last was a few days before...so that leave 1 other time in two years....the last time he introduced himself...so why didn't she say..i know who you are, you are stalking me? why because that is made up...when her mother and her began to call him a stalker that congers up all kinds of visions for us...we know what a stalker is...even one of the posters in here challenged me with....she told him to stop coming over and he kept coming that is a stalker...well nowhere in any interview does it say she spoke to him other than the night he stopped by and nowhere in any interview does it say she told him to stop coming over....so how did this poster become so misinformed? because we know what a stalker is...and all you have to do is label someone that and we provide our own expected behavior...but 3 "encounters" over a two year period does not a stalker make...and so why are they trying so hard to make him out to be one? what's the point? when someone is concerned that they are not being believed that began to embellish and begin to convince rather than just relate...something is not adding up...i have my mother of the year award still undecided.

 

[Mikebr]

BBM - Nope.

I never thought of that.

Because she is the VICTIM.
He was the CRIMINAL.

He kicked in her door. He deserved what he got.
One less criminal.

JMO

Unless he is just robbing his drug dealer's house...there are two criminals.

 

[lonetraveler]

I never heard her say that...i heard her asked if she could shoot him? he was only 5 feet tall..he was probably shorter than her. and there was a couch to slow him down...the outcome would have been the same if had chosen to come in after she yelled that...but my guess we will never know...he is dead. maybe she was making sure he couldn't talk..ever think of that.

http://video.news.com.au/?2183566239

At the 1:34 mark near the end of the video she makes that statement that she wanted LE to hurry up and get there.....

BTW, what has his height got to do with I? :waitasec: You can give a short , litttle man a knife and he might think he is ten feet tall and bullet proof, but he might be wrong.

 

[Mikebr]

http://video.news.com.au/?2183566239

At the 1:34 mark near the end of the video she makes that statement that she wanted LE to hurry up and get there.....

BTW, what has his height got to do with I? :waitasec: You can give a short , litttle man a knife and he might think he is ten feet tall and bullet proof, but he might be wrong.

why are you sending me that interview..i was referring to the portion of the actual 911 tape that was released..she is just all fired up to shoot...she is saying all kinds of things now..that's why i am suspicious..she is lying. not sure why she has to make up so many things...pure and simple...i want to know if pills are missing....sheriff check it out. and being a 5 ft man kind of makes the mean old stalker attacking poor helpless mother story a little less dramatic...and the fb pics of her prior to the shooting pointing her gun at things..is beginning to make me think she enjoyed every minute of this...ok i said it...its her mouth that has made me feel this way...and she just keeps talking.

 

[not_my_kids]

3 encounters over 2 years. If the person stared me down like I were the main course at a free buffet, three times in 20 years would be more than enough, let alone 2.

If said person followed me during the encounter, then even once would be one encounter too many.

If said person seemed to be fixated on my child during even one encounter, that would be enough.

And you know what, it doesn't matter if I have been having an affair with you, it doesn't matter if you killed my pets or if I put them down, it doesn't matter if you are a drug addict and I am your dealer, and it makes no difference what I am doing, whether I be having a party or hiding in the dark, if a person that does not live in this domicile attempts to enter the domicile without the permission of owner or resident, I can shoot them, and I can kill them. And make no mistake, I will do both.

I am glad that other women in this world are of the same mind.

The facts as they have been reported make this seem like a justifiable homicide. No one official has said different. She still has custody of the child she was protecting. She is not in jail. That says more to me about her character than does the fact that we haven't heard the whole 911 tape, or that she may have a slight discrepancies of recollections of events that happened shortly prior to a major traumatic life event. MOO.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Unless he is just robbing his drug dealer's house...there are two criminals.

She is the victim unless an until LE tells us she isn't.

 

[lonetraveler]

Unless he is just robbing his drug dealer's house...there are two criminals.

Are you calling the young mother a drug dealer and a criminal?

It seems the live perp stated that Martin knew the husband had recently died of cancer and they expected to find prescription pain pills in the home. He isn't saying anything about buying any pills from anyone in the home, now is he?

"Dustin Stewart, Martin's accomplice, now charged with murder
Dustin Stewart, 29, reportedly fled the scene after Sarah McKinley shot and killed his accomplice Justin Martin while the two tried to break into her home on New Year's Eve. Stewart reportedly told police that Martin knew Sarah McKinley's husband recently died of cancer and they expected to find prescription pain pills in the home. Stewart has been charged with murder for his role in the botched break-in."Author: Crimesider Staff


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10010734-4.html#ixzz1jBItv0q7

I'm done with this.

 

[Mikebr]

Are you calling the young mother a drug dealer and a criminal?

It seems the live perp stated that Martin knew the husband had recently died of cancer and they expected to find prescription pain pills in the home. He isn't saying anything about buying any pills from anyone in the home, now is he?

"Dustin Stewart, Martin's accomplice, now charged with murder
Dustin Stewart, 29, reportedly fled the scene after Sarah McKinley shot and killed his accomplice Justin Martin while the two tried to break into her home on New Year's Eve. Stewart reportedly told police that Martin knew Sarah McKinley's husband recently died of cancer and they expected to find prescription pain pills in the home. Stewart has been charged with murder for his role in the botched break-in."Author: Crimesider Staff

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10010734-4.html#ixzz1jBItv0q7

I'm done with this.

I am saying her story keeps changing and seems illogical...and some parts made up...if truth is on your side you don't need to do that...a good investigator would want to know the answers to my questions...maybe the police do...but are not sharing..but reporters are not asking those questions...they are too busy making her a saint.

 

[lonetraveler]

why are you sending me that interview..i was referring to the portion of the actual 911 tape that was released..she is just all fired up to shoot...she is saying all kinds of things now..that's why i am suspicious..she is lying. not sure why she has to make up so many things...pure and simple...i want to know if pills are missing....sheriff check it out. and being a 5 ft man kind of makes the mean old stalker attacking poor helpless mother story a little less dramatic...and the fb pics of her prior to the shooting pointing her gun at things..is beginning to make me think she enjoyed every minute of this...ok i said it...its her mouth that has made me feel this way...and she just keeps talking.

I sent you that interview because you stated that you had not heard her say this. Now you have. So you think that two men armed with a knife breaking into a young mother's home is not considered a threat? Because one of them is a short man?<modsnip> Really?<modsnip>

 

[Kimberlyd125]

He pushed through a d@m$ door that was blocked by a sofa!
What part of this is confusing????

He pushed his way into her house.
She shot him. He's dead.

Nothing she did caused this.

He took it upon himself to kick a door in!

 

[Mikebr]

I sent you that interview because you stated that you had not heard her say this. Now you have. So you think that two men armed with a knife breaking into a young mother's home is not considered a threat? Because one of them is a short man?<modsnip> Really?<modsnip>

according to the facts there was one man trying to break into a house and one out by the fence....and her self serving statements made later is evidence of nothing..the 911 call speaks for itself. <modsnip>

Review all statements you can find about the alledged stalking behavior for one.....you will not find one statement made by any of her family or her or police that describes one stalking incident...all i found was a claim he was stalking her at a rodeo two years ago by her mother....then one by a family member reported he had been stalking her since her husband had died...repeated in here....but then look at other statements...she had encountered him maybe three times but did not know him..that was her latest statement....other times..i had seen him around town....i had seen him a nearby convenient store a few times...

<modsnip>

the pills missing is her story.....why?

if this kid had broken in her house before he would have taken all the pills

<modsnip>

 

[Kimberlyd125]

according to the facts there was one man trying to break into a house and one out by the fence....and her self serving statements made later is evidence of nothing..the 911 call speaks for itself. and why bring my mother into this? see that's the problem...its personal with too many people..you can't just listen to the facts..you got to make it a political cause or a personal cause...

Review all statements you can find about the alledged stalking behavior for one.....you will not find one statement made by any of her family or her or police that describes one stalking incident...all i found was a claim he was stalking her at a rodeo two years ago by her mother....then one by a family member reported he had been stalking her since her husband had died...repeated in here....but then look at other statements...she had encountered him maybe three times but did not know him..that was her latest statement....other times..i had seen him around town....i had seen him a nearby convenient store a few times...

But in here people have added their own stuff like "if some man stared at me like i was a buffet" "if someone wanted my baby" " she kept telling the mad to leave her alone but he didn't: those three statements are pure fiction and have never been alledged....

the pills missing is her story.....why?

if this kid had broken in her house before he would have taken all the pills

I am asking good questions but all i get back is attacks and insults.

Where do you see anything about your mother in the post you quoted?

I've seen nobody attack you or insult you.