Teen mom shoots intruder dead 1 week after husband dies of cancer

[tiredblondy]

Not her house, according to the article below. They have sought warrants to search Martin's house, his car, his cell phone AND it's contents:

http://www.news9.com/story/16466062/documents-detail?clienttype=printable

You know something? I am heartsick right now. Day after day we sleuth horrific crimes. Crimes where little kids go missing and their body parts later found, dismembered and scattered, whole families who disappear, one such family later found shoved inside the trunk of a tree, only one girl in the family surviving, after being held in a cellar, repeatedly raped, another family victim of a home invasion, everyone inside killed except two little kids who were taken, both tortured and raped for days and days before one was brutally murdered.

Finally, FINALLY, we have ONE case where the victim wasn't a victim at all.
She survived! She had the gumption and the guts to calmly call police, arm herself and protect her life and that of her baby. She was all alone and two criminals were trying their darndest to break into HER home, to bash down her doors, committing a crime and trying to commit one that was likely far more gruesome.

Yet, instead of wildly celebrating this young thing's incredible victory over evil, she is being criticized? Her motives questioned? Not so nice inferences about her marriage, possible drug use, drug dealing, maybe? Her remorse or lack thereof for defending herself and her own baby from two creeps who came into her isolated home in the middle of nowhere, is being scrutinized?

This is really appalling to me. Very upsetting. But for the grace of God go any one of us. She should be given a medal! And me? I feel like crying right now. I'm going to leave this thread so I don't get a time out.

:seeya: Don't leave Git, I'm totally with you!

 

[gitana1]

The only part of this that does not sit right with me is the posing for the camera with the gun. That could very well be that she is extremely comfortable with her gun. I commend her for that. I have no doubt that the gun was unloaded and every precaution in place when it was shown to the news team. If she is proud of herself for protecting herself and her child, and shows that pride by showing how she did it, then I cannot argue with her personal expressions of emotion.

The only reason it bothers me is this:
There was a movie, old one I think, where one actor says "My dad was in Vietnam." and the person he is talking to says, "Does he talk about it?" And the first guy says "no." The other responds, "That means he was really there."

Killing someone in self defense is a lot like that, especially as time goes by. You just don't talk about it. Other people may know, but only those that you really trust. Most of them will never know details. It's more personal that anything you can ever imagine. For most people. However, this may be how she works through it.

I will wait and see if more comes out. As of right now, I have one tiny doubt over something that could very well be someone's own personal way of dealing with something that was traumatic all the way around.

Well, she probably is comfortable with a gun. Lot's of people are, especially in rural areas where it can be a way of life. But I think the reason she posed that way is because she was asked to.

This is a big story. A story about a little widowed woman alone in her home with a tiny infant, who protected herself and her child from intruders with a shotgun. That act is actually a beacon of light for any woman or loved one of a woman who could be a victim of crime.

The image of a young gal standing resolutely with the gun she used to defend herself and her baby is one of agency and power. She didn't cry and faint and whither away as someone victimized her. She took control and did what she had to to survive. A lot of people, especially a lot of women who know the feeling of being stalked or frightened or defenseless against someone bigger and stronger, can take heart when viewing such an image. It's a powerful message and I have no doubt that the reporter knows that: "Can you show us how you stood as he was trying to get in?" What's she supposed to say, "No. I don't feel like it."?

One can feel sorrow at having had to take a life while still feeling justified in doing so. Sarah has repeatedly stated she feels awful about what happened. But I doubt she regrets it. I don't. She did what she had to do.

 

[gitana1]

:seeya: Don't leave Git, I'm totally with you!

Thanks! I'm back. I calm down quickly!

 

[tiredblondy]

They killed the dogs either the night before or two nights before. They had been harassing her since her husband died.It's in the inital articles. This was premeditated and after they'd gotten in they would have raped her and killed her and I suspect drug it out a little while. She knows what their families think and has probably been receiving threatening messages. If it were me I'd do the same thing, Not omit one thing !
She was a protecting her baby and herself! I don't care if she had her picture made with an ammo belt around her shoulder and 20 other guns in the picture.

Tonight there is a mother and a baby alive because she did what she had to do.

 

[krimekat]

burglars do knock, ring door bells, etc. before breaking in . . . this woman was in every right to do what she did - regardless of the law! I don't care WHY they were breaking in !

Kudos to her !!!

 

[gitana1]

They killed the dogs either the night before or two nights before. They had been harassing her since her husband died.It's in the inital articles. This was premeditated and after they'd gotten in they would have raped her and killed her and I suspect drug it out a little while. She knows what their families think and has probably been receiving threatening messages. If it were me I'd do the same thing, Not omit one thing !
She was a protecting her baby and herself! I don't care if she had her picture made with an ammo belt around her shoulder and 20 other guns in the picture.

Tonight there is a mother and a baby alive because she did what she had to do.

Yup, and because of this story, I think I'm going to go out and buy me a nice big shotgun.

I'm alone tonight and there's a lovely pair of gangbangers that have moved into the apartment across from my house. Seem to be hiding out there. I can't even go out and garden anymore because there one of them will be, lurking on the porch or standing around, furtively glancing up and down the street. The young family they have moved in with is never outside anymore. I think they are afraid and can't get rid of them. I've called the police, the gang unit, etc., but there's nothing they can do unless I see these bozos commit a crime. Since they moved in, there have been gang-related shootings and some other criminal activity several blocks away. Timed precisely to when these creeps moved in.

And they know there is a female (me) across the street who is sometimes there alone.

Yup, I'm thinking a nice big shotgun might be helpful. Thanks, Sarah.

 

[krimekat]

Yup, and because of this story, I think I'm going to go out and buy me a nice big shotgun.

I'm alone tonight and there's a lovely pair of gangbangers that have moved into the apartment across from my house. Seem to be hiding out there. I can't even go out and garden anymore because there one of them will be, lurking on the porch or standing around, furtively glancing up and down the street. The young family they have moved in with is never outside anymore. I think they are afraid and can't get rid of them. I've called the police, the gang unit, etc., but there's nothing they can do unless I see these bozos commit a crime. Since they moved in, there have been gang-related shootings and some other criminal activity several blocks away. Timed precisely to when these creeps moved in.

And they know there is a female (me) across the street who is sometimes there alone.

Yup, I'm thinking a nice big shotgun might be helpful. Thanks, Sarah.

with all due respect -- f*** your new neighbors . . . call the LE, make up a crime & garden to your content -- don't let them rule!

 

[tiredblondy]

Oh Git, I'm so sorry. My question is how do LE know they haven't committed a crime yet? Wouldn't they have to know who they are to say that?

 

[gitana1]

with all due respect -- f*** your new neighbors . . . call the LE, make up a crime & garden to your content -- don't let them rule!

I thought of that. I almost think the officer I spoke to was sort of suggesting that.

Oh Git, I'm so sorry. My question is how do LE know they haven't committed a crime yet? Wouldn't they have to know who they are to say that?

What I mean is they kept asking if I had seen them commit a crime.

I bet anything they are parole violators. In any event, my neighborhood is odd - half really nice homes (historic, mine's 100 years old) and half run down homes and sort of scary areas, all like a checkerboard almost. Good working class people too. I've seen some crazy stuff. One day, I was sitting in the living room on the compute and I hear "pop pop" coming closer. A car went by and was shooting at the houses. Shot the at the ones on either side of me! Another time, cops swarming around with night vision, looking for a guy running around with a gun. One night, saw some guys in a car wrestling someone into their car, etc., etc.. Lots of taggers.

Funny thing is, unlike Sarah, the police department near to me is literally two blocks away, but it seems like it takes them forever to respond nevertheless!

 

[tiredblondy]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mom...ort=postmessage&type=resize&height=21&ackData[id]=2&width=150

http://www.wltx.com/news/article/166516/0/Teen-Mom-Fatally-Shoots-Intruders-in-Home-

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10010734-5.html?tag=page

http://www.news.com.au/world/oaklah...12-gauge-shotgun/story-e6frfkyi-1226237387236

This was the same shirt she was wearing in the gun picture. The press set this up about the pistol packing mama.

That's why I'm sharing the other pictures and links just in case someone would like to see them. I think they portray a more true picture of her without the added media hype.

I have also listened to the audio of the 911 call and I can hear her voice breaking and quivering in a few places, I think she was scared to death and was not quite as calm as some might think but that little precious baby has a mother today and he is alive because she did what she had to. She may appear to be a Steel Magnolia but I suspect there's pain and grieving yet to be dealt with. In the last 6 mos she has had a baby, watched the man she loved die minute by minute, lost her dogs and shot an intruder. What an amazing woman, 18 or not.

 

[Melanie]

Snipped by me for space:

I'm seeing a lot of nasty insinuations about this girl that have not been substantiated or proved relevant in any way, shape or form. The case has been virtually solved. One perp is dead and the other has been charged with burglary and felony murder. The DA states he is investigating further to see if there is more. There has been NOTHING to suggest that this young gal is being investigated for anything and that's where my ire gets raised as websleuths is a victim-friendly site.

I'm used to us sleuthers banding together in solidarity with victims and survivors of crime, not trying to pick them apart or find something that isn't there. There has not been one thing in the MSM or stated by LE or the DA to suggest that Sarah McKinley has done a thing wrong or bears any responsibility for what happened. The criminal who broke into her house and his accomplice are to blame. Period. Until I see otherwise, the attempts to cast this brave girl in an negative light truly bother me.

But I am not God, not a moderator and this is my opinion only. And I realize that everyone else is entitled to theirs as well and I will not try to control that. I'm just expressing my frustration and do not mean to offend.

I think that's what bothered me most about the posts (here and elsewhere) that talk about this young lady in a negative light -- even if it's only insinuation - is WRONG.

I will continue to support, applaud, and praise this young lady for taking out the monster! IMHO she absolutely did the right thing!

MOO

Mel

 

[tiredblondy]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mom-calls-9-1-1-asking-for-permission-to-shoot-intruders-before-killing-one-using-12-ga-shotgun/#cb=f256e7c00fbb6f6&origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Ff1f985e10a244ac&relation=parent.parent&transport=postmessage&type=resize&height=21&ackData[id]=2&width=150

http://www.wltx.com/news/article/166516/0/Teen-Mom-Fatally-Shoots-Intruders-in-Home-

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10010734-5.html?tag=page

http://www.news.com.au/world/oaklah...12-gauge-shotgun/story-e6frfkyi-1226237387236

This was the same shirt she was wearing in the gun picture. The press set this up about the pistol packing mama.

That's why I'm sharing the other pictures and links just in case someone would like to see them. I think they portray a more true picture of her without the added media hype.

I have also listened to the audio of the 911 call and I can hear her voice breaking and quivering in a few places, I think she was scared to death and was not quite as calm as some might think but that little precious baby has a mother today and he is alive because she did what she had to. She may appear to be a Steel Magnolia but I suspect there's pain and grieving yet to be dealt with. In the last 6 mos she has had a baby, watched the man she loved die minute by minute, lost her dogs and shot an intruder. What an amazing woman, 18 or not.

wanted to bump the pictures and say to Mel I agree 100% with her post above this one.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Snipped by me for space:



I think that's what bothered me most about the posts (here and elsewhere) that talk about this young lady in a negative light -- even if it's only insinuation - is WRONG.

I will continue to support, applaud, and praise this young lady for taking out the monster! IMHO she absolutely did the right thing!

MOO

Mel

Right!

And WS is a victim friendly site.

Unless LE says SHE is being investigated, she is the victim.

That's JMO.

 

[OkGrace]

I live in country and for some time answered door with gun if no one was expected.
The posing with the gun may very well be her way of letting every one she is armed, she may be nervous about all knowing she is alone. I used to practice shooting after a break in just so the crack heads down the road knew I had a gun...

 

[Mikebr]

What was the knife for then?

to pry open the door. he is a ranch hand and country boy, would not be unusual to have a hunting knife. if he thought she was there, why not yell at her? i think everyone is buying this deranged stalker banging on every door scenario..a madman bent on rape...well what crazy does not start yelling? in fact 20 mins to break in, tells me he was not enraged at all...he was walking around the house most likely looking for the easiest way in an empty house...taking 20 mins also tells me he was not thinking the cops could be here at any minute.

 

[mysteriew]

She just spent the longest 20 minutes of her life with someone banging on her door, breaking into her home with a knife. His family have been talking against her. Strangers are now coming round. Her picture, the fact that she lives alone with a baby has been publicized. I'd be answering the door holding a loaded gun now too.

 

[Mikebr]

They killed the dogs either the night before or two nights before. They had been harassing her since her husband died.It's in the inital articles. This was premeditated and after they'd gotten in they would have raped her and killed her and I suspect drug it out a little while. She knows what their families think and has probably been receiving threatening messages. If it were me I'd do the same thing, Not omit one thing !
She was a protecting her baby and herself! I don't care if she had her picture made with an ammo belt around her shoulder and 20 other guns in the picture.

Tonight there is a mother and a baby alive because she did what she had to do.

no you are incorrect. she told the dispatcher two of her dogs went missing...she doesn't know where they went. she also said in one article she did not recognize the man at the door..and later her mother says he stalked her at a rodeo two years ago...so i have a problem with the stalking story..seems like they are trying bolster her right to kill him, when in reality they don't need to do that...it could be because they were afraid she didn't have a right to kill him just for the act of breaking down the door which she actually does...if you read all of their accts of the meeting between her and the dead guy its like only a couple of times in two years other than seeing him in town a few times...so why say he has been stalking? why immediately assume he killed the dogs? why claim someone has been coming in her unlocked house over an undefined period of time, stealing pain medicine from her husband? you draw the conclusion she wants you to draw, and her feeling about events might be in retrospect and innocent or she might be trying to convince you of something.

 

[mysteriew]

to pry open the door. he is a ranch hand and country boy, would not be unusual to have a hunting knife. if he thought she was there, why not yell at her? i think everyone is buying this deranged stalker banging on every door scenario..a madman bent on rape...well what crazy does not start yelling? in fact 20 mins to break in, tells me he was not enraged at all...he was walking around the house most likely looking for the easiest way in an empty house...taking 20 mins also tells me he was not thinking the cops could be here at any minute.

Ok, let's go with your scenario. These two shining paragons of virture were just driving along, saw the house and thought "hey isn't that the trailer we were at the other night?" "looks like the family isn't there today" "hey, just for fun let's see if we can get in the home" "maybe they have drugs laying around in there" Then they get inside, they see a scared vulnerable woman..... and no shotgun. Now what do you thing the guy holding the knife is going to do? "Excuse me mam, so sorry to bother you" "going to just back out of your way now." "please don't tell anybody we broke in here"


Nope sorry not buying it. Even if they were only breaking in there to steal drugs, it would have ended badly unless she did exactly what she did.

 

[mysteriew]

no you are incorrect. she told the dispatcher two of her dogs went missing...she doesn't know where they went. she also said in one article she did not recognize the man at the door..and later her mother says he stalked her at a rodeo two years ago...so i have a problem with the stalking story..seems like they are trying bolster her right to kill him, when in reality they don't need to do that...it could be because they were afraid she didn't have a right to kill him just for the act of breaking down the door which she actually does...if you read all of their accts of the meeting between her and the dead guy its like only a couple of times in two years other than seeing him in town a few times...so why say he has been stalking? why immediately assume he killed the dogs? why claim someone has been coming in her unlocked house over an undefined period of time, stealing pain medicine from her husband? you draw the conclusion she wants you to draw, and her feeling about events might be in retrospect and innocent or she might be trying to convince you of something.

BBM

Have you ever tried to look out a window and tried to recognize someone? If you recognize their car you might recognize them. If you know them real well you might recognize them. But if you don't know them well, you probably aren't always going to get a good full face look that would be needed to recognize someone you don't know well.

 

[Mikebr]

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I'm used to us sleuthers banding together in solidarity with victims and survivors of crime, not trying to pick them apart or find something that isn't there. There has not been one thing in the MSM or stated by LE or the DA to suggest that Sarah McKinley has done a thing wrong or bears any responsibility for what happened. The criminal who broke into her house and his accomplice are to blame. Period. Until I see otherwise, the attempts to cast this brave girl in an negative light truly bother me.

But I am not God, not a moderator and this is my opinion only. And I realize that everyone else is entitled to theirs as well and I will not try to control that. I'm just expressing my frustration and do not mean to offend.

I am not advocating for anyone, i just want the truth in all cases. sleuthing by definition is more investigating...talking about all aspects of a case. how many cases at first look one way but when eventually solved are something else...as a sleuth i don't believe we know all the facts. i don't think sleuths jump on bandwagons, we question, review and question again. we want truth and justice. and if people are some how labelled gossipers for discussing the case then this site is now just a memorial...no longer a place where sleuthers can suppose...there are plenty of sites dedicated to this mother, you can give her the medal. i just have questions...