Well I don't know what it is they are going to search, but presumably not the car again since they already searched it. After reading the article the link to which I provided, I am under the impression they are still investigating the whole circumstance of the incident.
Teen mom shoots intruder dead 1 week after husband dies of cancer
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Well I don't know what it is they are going to search, but presumably not the car again since they already searched it. After reading the article the link to which I provided, I am under the impression they are still investigating the whole circumstance of the incident.
good point. i was thinking he might have ditched the others but i could be way off base on that one.
i never heard anyone banging at the door and 911 tapes are public and why have we not heard the whole tape? If the dead guy had been buying drugs at that trailer for some time, i guess that would change everything..and she said her dog was growling but i never heard a thing on the 911 tape...i have owned many dogs including german shepherds and they would never sit still while a person banged on my doors...not for one second...and there was never a person banging on each door...and yes i am a man..and if i wanted into a house with nothing restraining me i could be inside in about 2 minutes not 20...why the restraint..sounds more like a burglar than a home invader bent on rape or murder...he was looking for an easy way in to an unoccupied trailer...and i want to hear the whole tape. her posing with her shotgun for reporters shows me she has no sadness about taking a life..even tough cops who shoot lifelong criminals do not act so cavalier...i just don't buy her story...there is more to it. not sure what she is hiding, maybe nothing...maybe its more a product of her lack of sophistication and youth..but her story is full of contradictions..
I would.
http://www.news9.com/story/16448996/accomplice-charged-in-blanchard-shooting-death
He knew he was going to be caught and was trying, in retrospect, to mitigate the damages: "My name is Dusty Stewart. I think it was my friend that got shot." What? The language used here indicates there was news of the shooting.
"I don't know what he was trying to do." Here he is, trying to minimize his involvement. That belies his later statements that they were high on drugs and there to see if they could get more.
"I stood at the fence and told him to come on and I don't know what he did." Again, here he is trying to minimize his involvement. He wasn't there, aggressively banging on a door while his buddy banged on another, as Sarah stated. Instead, he was innocently standing by the fence, urging Justin to "come on." Yeah, right. Classic criminal trying to weasel his way out of trouble.
"and I don't know what he did." Again, he's trying to distance himself from the crime he was committing. He wasn't trying to break in. Nah. He just drove out to a secluded area, to a solitary trailer with a young momma and her baby and "stood by the fence" as two different doors were repeatedly banged on. Garbage. He fled when his buddy got shot because he didn't want to get shot either and didn't want to get caught. He called 911 only after he heard that the news of a shooting was out and that they would be after him soon. He's smart. I hope he's not smart enough.
you are going on supposition not facts. sarah never saw another person so he could have been standing by the fence...and we don't know his whole statement..we just have excerpts from the arresting avadavit..what if he said we were going there to get drugs because justin bought drugs there before...maybe he did...what if he said we thought no one was home....self serving statements are often omitted by police...i still don't think they had a right to break in, but until we hear the complete statement we need to rely on the police to give us what they hold dear...and the fact he is out on bond kind of tells you how the prosecutor sees this...i don't know what is true, but all i can say, this story does not add up.
Burglars do not bang on doors. Crazy people sometimes enjoy intimidating their would-be victims, hence the banging. Sounds like he was whipping himself into an adrenaline-filled frenzy, anticipating what he was going to do once he got in.
As far as the gun pose, I have no doubt the reporter asked her to show them how she stood as he barged in. She has stated repeatedly that she is sorry he is dead. She's a better woman than I am. I wouldn't be sorry one bit (except for his family).
burglars do knock on doors..to see if someone is home. if nobody answers they then try to break in. if some does answer they pretend to be there for another reason...like they thought it was their buddy's house. contact your local police and ask them if you don't believe me. if i killed someone i would not reinact it for the press, no matter who asked...but again she is unsophisticated and young..maybe she is that way.
Not her house, according to the article below. They have sought warrants to search Martin's house, his car, his cell phone AND it's contents:
http://www.news9.com/story/16466062/documents-detail?clienttype=printable
You know something? I am heartsick right now. Day after day we sleuth horrific crimes. Crimes where little kids go missing and their body parts later found, dismembered and scattered, whole families who disappear, one such family later found shoved inside the trunk of a tree, only one girl in the family surviving, after being held in a cellar, repeatedly raped, another family victim of a home invasion, everyone inside killed except two little kids who were taken, both tortured and raped for days and days before one was brutally murdered.
Finally, FINALLY, we have ONE case where the victim wasn't a victim at all.
She survived! She had the gumption and the guts to calmly call police, arm herself and protect her life and that of her baby. She was all alone and two criminals were trying their darndest to break into HER home, to bash down her doors, committing a crime and trying to commit one that was likely far more gruesome.
Yet, instead of wildly celebrating this young thing's incredible victory over evil, she is being criticized? Her motives questioned? Not so nice inferences about her marriage, possible drug use, drug dealing, maybe? Her remorse or lack thereof for defending herself and her own baby from two creeps who came into her isolated home in the middle of nowhere, is being scrutinized?
This is really appalling to me. Very upsetting. But for the grace of God go any one of us. She should be given a medal! And me? I feel like crying right now. I'm going to leave this thread so I don't get a time out.
What was the knife for then?
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she called on her cell phone and the signal hit a tower that directed her call to the first dispatch (this is one good reason to always have a landline but that's o/t)
that dispatcher determined that she needed a different police dep't and transferred her call (this is also part of the reason for the long wait time for LE to show up)
the redirected call apparently was not recorded (which I find really odd)
all this is in links in this thread but I don't know which ones right now, only that I read the above info while clicking links in this thread
that dispatcher determined that she needed a different police dep't and transferred her call (this is also part of the reason for the long wait time for LE to show up)
the redirected call apparently was not recorded (which I find really odd)
all this is in links in this thread but I don't know which ones right now, only that I read the above info while clicking links in this thread
I think it's pretty clear he didn't take the cell phone. He made a call to it after the incident but the guy didn't answer (presumably he was already dead). Now police can't find it anywhere. It was not at the crime scene. It was not in the truck. And it was not in the home.
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that's really weird ... so someone burglarized the dead guy?! hmmm ...
I am sure they can check the alive guy's cell phone to see if he actually did call the dead guy's cell phone, since they do have the alive guy's cell phone. Should be easy enough to check. Couldn't the police determine where the dead guy's cell phone pings were coming from to see where the cell phone was at the time? Maybe they are small police department not very familiar with this technology?
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I just want to say thank you for post. I think most of the problem is supporters posting on new sites starting rumors. Personally I am sick of hearing from family and friends of criminals. They always say there's more to the story and to wait till the facts come out. You know what? When it happens the perps look even more evil, more guilty, and the supporters looks like fools and crawl under a rock never to be heard from again.
I really don't understand what the problem is with discussing circumstances of a case which is still being investigated by the police. Isn't that what this website is for?
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What did it for me, what really convinced me was the couch. She shoved that couch in front of the door. He fell over the back of it when she shot him. To me that backs up her story as much as the 911 call. She tried to block his entry.
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I think she is talking about some of the newspaper sites where the family is posting. They are the ones who are saying there is more to the story and claiming he wouldn't do that.
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The only part of this that does not sit right with me is the posing for the camera with the gun. That could very well be that she is extremely comfortable with her gun. I commend her for that. I have no doubt that the gun was unloaded and every precaution in place when it was shown to the news team. If she is proud of herself for protecting herself and her child, and shows that pride by showing how she did it, then I cannot argue with her personal expressions of emotion.
The only reason it bothers me is this:
There was a movie, old one I think, where one actor says "My dad was in Vietnam." and the person he is talking to says, "Does he talk about it?" And the first guy says "no." The other responds, "That means he was really there."
Killing someone in self defense is a lot like that, especially as time goes by. You just don't talk about it. Other people may know, but only those that you really trust. Most of them will never know details. It's more personal that anything you can ever imagine. For most people. However, this may be how she works through it.
I will wait and see if more comes out. As of right now, I have one tiny doubt over something that could very well be someone's own personal way of dealing with something that was traumatic all the way around.
The only reason it bothers me is this:
There was a movie, old one I think, where one actor says "My dad was in Vietnam." and the person he is talking to says, "Does he talk about it?" And the first guy says "no." The other responds, "That means he was really there."
Killing someone in self defense is a lot like that, especially as time goes by. You just don't talk about it. Other people may know, but only those that you really trust. Most of them will never know details. It's more personal that anything you can ever imagine. For most people. However, this may be how she works through it.
I will wait and see if more comes out. As of right now, I have one tiny doubt over something that could very well be someone's own personal way of dealing with something that was traumatic all the way around.
I've read the article that she now meets everybody who comes to her home while holding that gun. I don't think it's unloaded. Which does concern me. Is it really that good an idea to pull a gun on a police officer?
Here it is:
“Everybody who comes in pretty much gets a gun pulled at 'em, even a police officer,” McKinley said
Read more: http://newsok.com/blanchard-mom-inu...ooting-intruder/article/3638247#ixzz1j7URon7z
Here it is:
“Everybody who comes in pretty much gets a gun pulled at 'em, even a police officer,” McKinley said
Read more: http://newsok.com/blanchard-mom-inu...ooting-intruder/article/3638247#ixzz1j7URon7z
I am back and feeling much calmer now. I needed that little break.
I said bang, not knock. Banging on doors is more indicative of a potential domestic violence episode or a home invasion.
But let's say these guys were there to burgle the home and not hurt Sarah and her baby. Oh well, now one is dead. When a person chooses to invade another person's home, uninvited, they are committing a criminal act and must accept the risk that they will be shot dead.
The first thing you learn when being taught basic self-defense is that you should never assume that a person trying to get in is merely there to calmly steal and then get away. Burglars kill people all the time. And as others have said, what did he need that knife for?
With respect, why does it matter what his intentions were? He broke into her home with force, breaking down the door and being shot, falling over a couch the gal had placed in front of the door in an attempt to barricade herself in. And by the way, it's a trailer. He knew she was there. You think he didn't hear her shoving a couch against the door? He didn't care. He wanted in anyhow. That is scary and speaks loudly about his state of mind.
Also, with respect, the circumstances of this case are not rumors posted by people on non-moderated message boards at the end of articles, or peripheral info that has nothing to do with what happened here, like the age of her husband.
I'm seeing a lot of nasty insinuations about this girl that have not been substantiated or proved relevant in any way, shape or form. The case has been virtually solved. One perp is dead and the other has been charged with burglary and felony murder. The DA states he is investigating further to see if there is more. There has been NOTHING to suggest that this young gal is being investigated for anything and that's where my ire gets raised as websleuths is a victim-friendly site.
I'm used to us sleuthers banding together in solidarity with victims and survivors of crime, not trying to pick them apart or find something that isn't there. There has not been one thing in the MSM or stated by LE or the DA to suggest that Sarah McKinley has done a thing wrong or bears any responsibility for what happened. The criminal who broke into her house and his accomplice are to blame. Period. Until I see otherwise, the attempts to cast this brave girl in an negative light truly bother me.
But I am not God, not a moderator and this is my opinion only. And I realize that everyone else is entitled to theirs as well and I will not try to control that. I'm just expressing my frustration and do not mean to offend.
I said bang, not knock. Banging on doors is more indicative of a potential domestic violence episode or a home invasion.
But let's say these guys were there to burgle the home and not hurt Sarah and her baby. Oh well, now one is dead. When a person chooses to invade another person's home, uninvited, they are committing a criminal act and must accept the risk that they will be shot dead.
The first thing you learn when being taught basic self-defense is that you should never assume that a person trying to get in is merely there to calmly steal and then get away. Burglars kill people all the time. And as others have said, what did he need that knife for?
With respect, why does it matter what his intentions were? He broke into her home with force, breaking down the door and being shot, falling over a couch the gal had placed in front of the door in an attempt to barricade herself in. And by the way, it's a trailer. He knew she was there. You think he didn't hear her shoving a couch against the door? He didn't care. He wanted in anyhow. That is scary and speaks loudly about his state of mind.
Also, with respect, the circumstances of this case are not rumors posted by people on non-moderated message boards at the end of articles, or peripheral info that has nothing to do with what happened here, like the age of her husband.
I'm seeing a lot of nasty insinuations about this girl that have not been substantiated or proved relevant in any way, shape or form. The case has been virtually solved. One perp is dead and the other has been charged with burglary and felony murder. The DA states he is investigating further to see if there is more. There has been NOTHING to suggest that this young gal is being investigated for anything and that's where my ire gets raised as websleuths is a victim-friendly site.
I'm used to us sleuthers banding together in solidarity with victims and survivors of crime, not trying to pick them apart or find something that isn't there. There has not been one thing in the MSM or stated by LE or the DA to suggest that Sarah McKinley has done a thing wrong or bears any responsibility for what happened. The criminal who broke into her house and his accomplice are to blame. Period. Until I see otherwise, the attempts to cast this brave girl in an negative light truly bother me.
But I am not God, not a moderator and this is my opinion only. And I realize that everyone else is entitled to theirs as well and I will not try to control that. I'm just expressing my frustration and do not mean to offend.
