Teen mom shoots intruder dead 1 week after husband dies of cancer

[tiredblondy]

links are there = page 9...i was banned for belittling someone..but it was never explained..another mystery...but bed time..take care.

I just went back and read every link you listed. No where in any of the links does it say "Sarah Mckinley lied".

 

[tiredblondy]

Wonder why feel like I'm back in Rebecca N.'s thread? :waitasec:


:innocent:

 

[Fairy1]

maybe you should join me at the ryan ferguson thread or the db cooper thread..maybe we would totally agree.

Every case is different. Neither of these are similar to what's being discussed here, in any way.

 

[Trident]

there is plenty of evidence that he was not a stalker so any statement that he was is a lie.

Mikebr, let me ask you a question. Are you upset that she fought back instead of laying down like a good little victim?

 

[Mikebr]

Mikebr, let me ask you a question. Are you upset that she fought back instead of laying down like a good little victim?

i am not upset...and i have stated over and over again that i support the right to defend and this is probably a good shoot...but why is she lying about the stalking? when someone makes up something a good detective needs to ask why...sorry for lack of curiosity...but several of her statements do no make sense.

 

[Mikebr]

I just went back and read every link you listed. No where in any of the links does it say "Sarah Mckinley lied".

Read the different vesions...she claimed he was stalking her since her husband died, other version, since her husband got sick, other version since a rodeo two years before, then i onlys saw him three times, never is there a discription of stalking...never...but they call him a stalker.....what more do you need?

 

[not_my_kids]

i never said she was a drug addict..the intruder was a drug addict. where is the entire 911 call? i only have found 3 mins..can you send me the link..i would love to hear all 21 minutes. and please if you are serious about new input i posted many links including one she claimed he stalked her since her husband was dying...but if you just accept what you hear..please don't bother.

As has been repeatedly stated, there is no recording of the last 19 minutes of the call. The 911 call was transferred, and post-transfer, the call was not recorded.

ETA: Well, actually, edited to remove. LOL.

 

[RiverRat]

Excuse me...but this sight got the biggest push from the Jonbonet ramsey murder case when everyone knows the LE screwed up...so yes i don't really care what this sheriff thinks...

ummmm...Everyone Does NOT Know That!

 

[miimaa]

btw the police did not find pills in the house...strange, where did they go? of course you want a link..i will try and find it.

I never read this anywhere. The other guy that turned himself in SAID the reason they were there was looking for drugs. IMO that was a lie. The fact that the dead had a 12" knife and there were two men pretty much tells me they were there to harm her.

 

[miimaa]

its not that she claimed he is a stalker that bugs me...its just that she made it up

I missed reading anywhere that she said he was a stalker. I read that her mother said something about him and a rodeo two years prior.

 

[miimaa]

i am not upset...and i have stated over and over again that i support the right to defend and this is probably a good shoot...but why is she lying about the stalking? when someone makes up something a good detective needs to ask why...sorry for lack of curiosity...but several of her statements do no make sense.

Is there a link to a news story where she calls him a stalker? What I read was that she didn't even know who was outside trying to get in.

 

[miimaa]

Read the different vesions...she claimed he was stalking her since her husband died, other version, since her husband got sick, other version since a rodeo two years before, then i onlys saw him three times, never is there a discription of stalking...never...but they call him a stalker.....what more do you need?

I guess I read different sources. What I read was that this guy came to the house shortly after the husband died, claiming he was a neighbor but she didn't know him. She said someone had killed two of her dogs. I never read anywhere her saying it was the guy she shot. Her mother is the one who spoke of the rodeo.

 

[mysteriew]

Mikebr, let me ask you a question. Are you upset that she fought back instead of laying down like a good little victim?

There seems to be a big issue with the accusations of stalking. It gets mentioned in almost every post.

To some degree I think that the defination of stalking is a personal thing. For a person consisantly showing up at places they are would call it stalking. For others they wouldn't think anything of it. For some repeated phone calls might be seen as stalking behavior, others might call it persistance. I've felt stalked in the past, but didn't report it. And it does require quite a bit of stalking behavior to meet the legal defination, along with some indicators that there is a danger of violence.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

In this report she says she thought he was stalking her. I think she is basing that strictly on him coming to her house before and then learning after the shooting that he worked for her landlord. Makes sense.

http://www.wlsam.com/FlashPlayer/default.asp?SPID=41171&ID=2367534

She also says she believes it was them coming in her home while she was not there.

In that interview they tried to trip her up thinking there was something hinky but she told it just like it was and made total sense. She did the right thing. She thought they were coming for her and they probably were.

Here is another thing. This sounds like a very rural area. It took the cops 23 minutes to get there. Her landlord owns 2 thousand acres. This was a case of her, her baby against these two guys. She was right in not saying a word. I wouldn't have either. Why give away your position in shouting out a warning. This was a life and death situation the whole time and that is how the bad guys looked at it too since they came armed.

 

[Melanie]

IMHO, it's irrelevant if she or her mother called him a stalker or not. If you take each event where she saw this man, anyone could call it a conicidence. However, if you take the sightings collectively, then one might call it stalking.

1. McKinley's mother told KWTV that Martin had followed her daughter around at a rodeo about two years ago.

2. She also said McKinley recently bumped into Martin at a convenience store and on Thursday night he showed up at her door, introducing himself as a neighbor.

3. McKinley told her mother she did not know who he was until she pieced it all together after the shooting.

The statements above all come from the MOTHER, not Sarah. So how is it that Sarah is a liar?

In this article, she again doesn't mention stalking. The reporter does. Is he putting words in her mouth?

http://lybio.net/sarah-mckinley-okl...into-her-home-while-on-phone-with-911/people/

Regardless, this woman did the right things. She called 911, she barricaded her door, she kept quiet as to not give away her location in the house. She even put a bottle in her 16 week old baby's mouth so they wouldn't hear where the baby was.

The perp knocked the door down with enough force to push the couch away from the door. He had a 12" hunting knife in his gloved hand. He was in her house with a knife, and she shot him justifliably.

So calling him a stalker, an acquantiance, a follower, a friend, or whatever label she chooses is is irrelevent to me.

And from what I gather from reading many links, Ms McKinley said she didn’t know who he was until after the shooting, when she pieced everything together.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...looking-prescription-drugs.html#ixzz1jMrXqEqV

MOO

Mel

 

[Dr.Fessel]

This was a total justified shooting of a person. There is nothing that points to anything else.

 

[shana]

Thanks, Dr.Fessel, for the radio interview you referenced in your post.

I learned many things and highly recommend anyone interested in this incident to give it a listen.

Sarah thought they were after HER. Four of her GSDs had gone missing; two were found presumably poisoned and the other two remain missing. Lots more to learn from her own words.

This young woman sounds very mature for her years as well as level-headed. Impressive, to say the least.

 

[Fairy1]

As has been repeatedly stated, there is no recording of the last 19 minutes of the call. The 911 call was transferred, and post-transfer, the call was not recorded.

ETA: Well, actually, edited to remove. LOL.

Thanks NMK. I didn't realize that as I've never felt the need to listen to the call.

Still don't!

 

[Hippy Chick]

What was the knife for then?

Why to peel potatoes and make her a nice pot of soup after they raped and tortured her... she killed him he was breaking her door down, shes 18 just buried her husband home alone with a small baby, they ought to give her the key to the city. To bad she couldn't have got the other one as well. I gurantee if anyone is breaking into my home they are going to be dead. I have a gun similar to the one she has and I know how to use it and would not hesitate to do so.It was either her or them what was she suppose to do let them in to kill her and her son? They thought she would be an easy target and she fooled them good for her.

 

[Hippy Chick]

There is a lot about this story i do not understand and your points are well taken. I cannot understand why she didn't turn on the lights or yell...not that she is obligated to, but seems natural...and she had a dog in the pic with her and we never hear the dog bark during the 911 tape...perhaps it was outside or something..and she said something odd...she suspected someone had been coming into her house while she was away and taking her husbands meds....i have thought about that..who would break into a home and take some of his drugs then come back for more..and if it happened once, who would leave their doors open after that? and then there is the story about the alledge stalking behavior...her mother said he stalked her at a rodeo two years before..followed her out to her truck...but she said she had seen the guy around town but didn't know him...but then he showed up at her house the day or so before acting strangely but left because her family was there..said he introduced himself as a neighbor and left...hmmm...aren;t all those accts inconsistent with the others...stalking is not one encounter at a rodeo two years ago, nor is it seeing him around town...i really think there is more to this story..i am sure i will be unpopular in here...i always cheer when i read about the bad guy getting what he deserves..and this guy did kick the door open and that to me is suicide and justifiable to shoot...but i can't help thinking there is more to this story.

it was 2 in the afternoon what good would turning on a light and yes she could have yelled" me and my infant are in theback bed room just kick the door on in and come down the hall straight back", Geez...