Teen mom shoots intruder dead 1 week after husband dies of cancer

[Mikebr]

I don't believe she's lying.

And I don't care about the lifestyles or histories of anyone involved. She did not want him in her home and he came in anyway. She had a right to protect herself and her baby boy.

well i guess you have nothing to add.....thank you for your replies.

 

[krimekat]

lying about what?

If a drug addict went back to burglarize his drug dealer and broke into the dealer's home, the drug dealer in some States would be within the boundaries of the Law to shoot him for breaking & entering!

Again, what's she lying about? being a drug dealer?

 

[Fairy1]

well i guess you have nothing to add.....thank you for your replies.

I have nothing to add with which you agree. That's not the same thing.

If you don't like the facts, just say so. But the facts cannot be changed. No matter how much you want them to be.

 

[Mikebr]

lying about what?

If a drug addict went back to burglarize his drug dealer and broke into the dealer's home, the drug dealer in some States would be within the boundaries of the Law to shoot him for breaking & entering!

Again, what's she lying about?

the stalking..he was not stalking her.
and perhaps the missing pills and someone coming in her unlocked home..what would you do the first time you thought someone was coming in your home stealing your dying husbands pain pills? maybe report it? maybe lock the door?
and the linking of this man to her missing and dead dogs? one facebook report said she had shot one of her dogs earlier because he was having seizures..someone who said she posted that..unconfirmed..but even so, why would a drug addict kill her dogs? and why don't the press follow up with don't you keep those dogs locked up? did you call the sheriff? come on..on and on...her accusations are unfounded and would not be needed to justify a shoot...why does she feel she need to convince us? but you probably reported me for belittling you last night..so why should we even have a discussion...you have your position and i have my questions..very good questions.

 

[tiredblondy]

I have nothing to add with which you agree. That's not the same thing.

If you don't like the facts, just say so. But the facts cannot be changed. No matter how much you want them to be.

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[tiredblondy]

the stalking..he was not stalking her.
and perhaps the missing pills and someone coming in her unlocked home..what would you do the first time you thought someone was coming in your home stealing your dying husbands pain pills? maybe report it? maybe lock the door?
and the linking of this man to her missing and dead dogs? one facebook report said she had shot one of her dogs earlier because he was having seizures..someone who said she posted that..unconfirmed..but even so, why would a drug addict kill her dogs? and why don't the press follow up with don't you keep those dogs locked up? did you call the sheriff? come on..on and on...her accusations are unfounded and would not be needed to justify a shoot...why does she feel she need to convince us? but you probably reported me for belittling you last night..so why should we even have a discussion...you have your position and i have my questions..very good questions.

A facebook report is a rumor! Why are you attacking a victim? Don't say you're not, I've got about 25 posts to refer to. That is not allowed here.

Let me share a little bit of information here, I saw a situation happen that was in the media. The tv station only got about 25% right and the hometown paper got less than that right.

 

[mysteriew]

if a drug addict came back to buglarize their drug dealer and it was a man vs man would you be so sympathetic?

let go of the emotion of the issue...and look at the facts..why is she lying?

She has let go of the emotion and looked at it IMO. And she has stated her opinion. Yes, she is allowed to have an opinion. And so am I. And so do you.
We don't have to have the same opinion. They can be different.

But persistance, making up stories, belittling or making accusations against other posters is not going to change our opinions. We do not have to change our opinions.

So I am going to agree to disagree with you. You have the right to your opinion. I have the right to mine. My opinion is that there is no evidence to indicate that this girl or her dead husband are drug dealers. There is no evidence to indicate that she is lying about having problems with this guy before.... though there may be some question about whether it would meet legal definations of stalking, she may have felt like she was being stalked. IMO for all we know she did have missing dogs that were later found poisoned, and she may have noticed missing drugs.... she would have been kinda busy at that point, considering she had a newborn baby and a dying husband.

I feel it was a legal shooting. I am not going to second guess the victim, LE and lol even the accomplice who have all talked about the shooting and said the believe the guy and his accomplice were breaking in to steal drugs. IMO there is also a strong possibility that the guy did intend harm to her, considering the past history. But no I cannot prove that.

So we will just go with he broke into the home, she shot him, it is a legal shoot. Regrettable yes. I feel sorry that at her age she was forced to go to this length to keep herself and her child safe. But it happened, it is over and she and her child are safe.

 

[tiredblondy]

if you can locate a link where she denies claiming he was a stalker or a link that add proof he was a stalker..then maybe you can add to the discussion..expressing your emotional feelings about the issue and your believe about the 2nd amendment..means nothing, because we agree on both...i just want to understand why she lied. what is she hiding..too bad the press is not curious? maybe they would have cleared it up for me by now. and we could all hold hands and sing kumbaya.

Where is your fact link that she lied?

 

[Mikebr]

A facebook report is a rumor! Why are you attacking a victim? Don't say you're not, I've got about 25 posts to refer to. That is not allowed here.

Let me share a little bit of information here, I saw a situation happen that was in the media. The tv station only got about 25% right and the hometown paper got less than that right.

and you might be absolutely right..the media may have created all these inconsistencies...but they are still there..isn't anyone curious? when you hear something on the news and every time you hear it, it changes doesn't it make you curious? i do think the media is playing to the audience..and many of the facts i rely on are solely based on reports of what one person says and what another person says..not an actual video of the people saying it...some reports say it happened late new years eve night..over and over..but the first reports say 2 pm...this is a media circus..and maybe at the end of the day my questions are mute...but until then, they are good questions for amateur sleths...the problem is the emotional aspect of this incident. being a skeptic is a strength not a weakness.

 

[Mikebr]

maybe you should join me at the ryan ferguson thread or the db cooper thread..maybe we would totally agree.

 

[tiredblondy]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/mom...ort=postmessage&type=resize&height=21&ackData[id]=2&width=150

http://www.wltx.com/news/article/166516/0/Teen-Mom-Fatally-Shoots-Intruders-in-Home-

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10010734-5.html?tag=page

http://www.news.com.au/world/oaklah...12-gauge-shotgun/story-e6frfkyi-1226237387236

This was the same shirt she was wearing in the gun picture. The press set this up about the pistol packing mama.

That's why I'm sharing the other pictures and links just in case someone would like to see them. I think they portray a more true picture of her without the added media hype.

I have also listened to the audio of the 911 call and I can hear her voice breaking and quivering in a few places, I think she was scared to death and was not quite as calm as some might think but that little precious baby has a mother today and he is alive because she did what she had to. She may appear to be a Steel Magnolia but I suspect there's pain and grieving yet to be dealt with. In the last 6 mos she has had a baby, watched the man she loved die minute by minute, lost her dogs and shot an intruder. What an amazing woman, 18 or not.

There's no question in my mind that media sensationalized it. Look at the bottom picture.

 

[Fairy1]

if you can locate a link where she denies claiming he was a stalker or a link that add proof he was a stalker..then maybe you can add to the discussion..expressing your emotional feelings about the issue and your believe about the 2nd amendment..means nothing, because we agree on both...i just want to understand why she lied. what is she hiding..too bad the press is not curious? maybe they would have cleared it up for me by now. and we could all hold hands and sing kumbaya.

I LOVE sarcasm! Usually.

I'm not sure why she should deny he was a stalker. She never said he was in the first place.:waitasec:

I live in Las Vegas and have never owned a gun of any kind.

I'm not sure where you get that she is a "drug addict," but even so.....

This man was breaking into her HOME. The entire 911 call has been released. What don't you understand?

 

[Mikebr]

She has let go of the emotion and looked at it IMO. And she has stated her opinion. Yes, she is allowed to have an opinion. And so am I. And so do you.
We don't have to have the same opinion. They can be different.

But persistance, making up stories, belittling or making accusations against other posters is not going to change our opinions. We do not have to change our opinions.

So I am going to agree to disagree with you. You have the right to your opinion. I have the right to mine. My opinion is that there is no evidence to indicate that this girl or her dead husband are drug dealers. There is no evidence to indicate that she is lying about having problems with this guy before.... though there may be some question about whether it would meet legal definations of stalking, she may have felt like she was being stalked. IMO for all we know she did have missing dogs that were later found poisoned, and she may have noticed missing drugs.... she would have been kinda busy at that point, considering she had a newborn baby and a dying husband.

I feel it was a legal shooting. I am not going to second guess the victim, LE and lol even the accomplice who have all talked about the shooting and said the believe the guy and his accomplice were breaking in to steal drugs. IMO there is also a strong possibility that the guy did intend harm to her, considering the past history. But no I cannot prove that.

So we will just go with he broke into the home, she shot him, it is a legal shoot. Regrettable yes. I feel sorry that at her age she was forced to go to this length to keep herself and her child safe. But it happened, it is over and she and her child are safe.

there is plenty of evidence that he was not a stalker so any statement that he was is a lie.

 

[Mikebr]

I LOVE sarcasm! Usually.

I'm not sure why she should deny he was a stalker. She never said he was in the first place.:waitasec:

I live in Las Vegas and have never owned a gun of any kind.

I'm not sure where you get that she is a "drug addict," but even so.....

This man was breaking into her HOME. The entire 911 call has been released. What don't you understand?

i never said she was a drug addict..the intruder was a drug addict. where is the entire 911 call? i only have found 3 mins..can you send me the link..i would love to hear all 21 minutes. and please if you are serious about new input i posted many links including one she claimed he stalked her since her husband was dying...but if you just accept what you hear..please don't bother.

 

[mysteriew]

Like I said I have my opinion, you have yours. However I am not going to stoop to the level of badgering, belittling, accusing or outright lying to try to get someone to come to my way of thinking. Sorry, but I am better than that.

 

[krimekat]

no doubt MSM sensationalized this event . . . heck, three days prior to this in NC a 14 yo shot & killed an intruder in his home & we heard nothing about it until UK press publicized the story!

sorry, Mikebr, that your links were not allowed, but rumors are not allowed. Wish I knew the rumors, but facts are facts -- Castle Law protects homeowners (regardless what the homeowners are doing).

 

[Mikebr]

ok bed time...good night all.

 

[Mikebr]

no doubt MSM sensationalized this event . . . heck, three days prior to this in NC a 14 yo shot & killed an intruder in his home & we heard nothing about it until UK press publicized the story!

sorry, Mikebr, that your links were not allowed, but rumors are not allowed. Wish I knew the rumors, but facts are facts -- Castle Law protects homeowners.

my links were not allowed? what?

 

[tiredblondy]

maybe you should join me at the ryan ferguson thread or the db cooper thread..maybe we would totally agree.

I did go back and look and I can find no post you made where there is a link to a reliable media reference that said " So and so lied to police etc"

 

[doubt]

you provided all of the below links. this will be my sole effort to address them.

the black text is yours. red is mine.

http://newsok.com/article/3638247

you have asked why she did not scream. in the video there, she explains clearly that the baby was screaming so she put a bottle in his mouth to quiet him bc she did not want to give away her position in the house. she wanted to see him first.

hopefully this puts an end to the repeated question as to why she didn't scream.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/okla-mom-shoots-intruder-no-charges_n_1186096.html

the above link clearly states that ''court documents'' suggest the perps may have been looking for drugs.


http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2012...sty-stewart-charged-with-first-degree-murder/

[there is a link to "this report" on the above link, provided by you. the following is particularly relevant:

"Stewart reported to police he did not know what happened but court documents show Stewart told police he and Martin devised a plan to burglarize the residence.

Stewart told investigators Martin knew Sarah McKinley's 58-year-old husband recently died of cancer and they expected to find prescription pain pills in the home."

hopefully this explains the fact that the drug issue was raised by one of the perps!


btw the police did not find pills in the house...strange, where did they go? of course you want a link..i will try and find it.

this is not in any of the links you provided and i have not read it anywhere.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Shane-Martin-looking-prescription-drugs.html

per above link, provided by you:

''Justin Martin, 24, was addicted to prescription drugs, his friend told police, and was looking for his next fix.''

also,

''Det. Huff told KFOR-TV that he and his fellow detectives believe the home invasion to have been ‘premeditated.''


http://crippledscience.com/?p=8204

another link to mother mentioning rodeo stalking...and only article she says there were two men, one in front and one in back..wonder why she felt she needed to make that up? she never tells dispatch..she refers to a man, him..he...never they.

this is incorrect. she stated there were 2 men in the very first link you provided. her story never changed. simply, she was asked to describe the shooting in most interviews, which made the other perp irrelevant.


its not that she claimed he is a stalker that bugs me...its just that she made it up.

you are very insistent about pushing the idea that she made this up, but your insistence does not make it so.

when someone keeps morphing a story to convince you then they are not convinced themselves that they sound credible.

on this i definitely agree with you, in a wholly ironic way.

the fact is, this woman has not, herself, changed her story one bit and your own links offer countless opportunities by which to see it for yourself.

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