Teen mom shoots intruder dead 1 week after husband dies of cancer

  • #41
Apparently, they've charged the other guy with felony murder...interesting. I hope they can prove it, you know?

(And no link just yet, heard it on the news).

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Herding Cats

They don't have anything to prove. If someone dies during the commission of a felony that you are committing .. you can be charged with felony murder.

Sucks to be him.

I do find it interesting that her husband was 58 years old and she is 18 with a 3 month old baby. She was pg at 17. On another thread people would be screaming that he was a child molester.. and she was a victim. Just sayin'
 
  • #42
I agree with those who are questioning the after-the-fact claims of this perp that their sole intent was ONLY to obtain prescription opiate medications.. While I do find it believable that *possibly* was ONE of the motives of them breaking into this home.. IMO I find it to NOT BE THE MAIN MOTIVE, but rather a secondary or added bonus to their REAL MOTIVE.. The reason I do atleast find it plausible as a possibility is due to her hubby having just passed away days prior from battling lung cancer.. As many I'm certain know the final stages of most types of cancer are excruciatingly painful and are almost ALWAYS treated with the most potent forms of prescription opiate medications(OxyContin, Dilaudid, Fentanyl, etc..etc).. All of those based from the same derivative in the hydrocodone that he was supposedly addicted to..

This is exactly how addicts think.. They know of someone battling last stages of cancer and an opiate addicts mind immediately goes to the likelihood of there being a treasure trove of prescription opiate meds at the home of the cancer patient.. Therefor I find it absolutely believable that an opiate addict would enter a home for this exact purpose and just as all addicts in their desperation to obtain their drugs they often times will harm those that happen to get in the way of their obtaining those drugs..

With all that said.. In this case I do find it likely that the drugs were an added bonus based on the other info available that leading up to this break in both of her dogs were killed.. But most telling IMO is what her mom reveals in that there is a history over 2 years back when the perp had stalked this young woman.. That alone leads me to believe that the main motive here was a long time obsession with this now young mom.. She was the driving force and intent behind the forcing their way into the home knowing she was alone with an infant.. IMO the added bonus of there also likely being drugs just made the determination and obsession to get into that home ONLY STRONGER WITH ADDED FORCE BEHIND THEIR GAINING ENTRY.. No doubt about it in my mind rape was first and foremost in the mind of the perp with the drugs just being an added bonus in their mind..

I believe this perp that escaped is doing what all criminals do in their attempting to minimize their role and/or their motive for the crime committed.. Drug motive IMO tho very much in no way excusing the criminal act but it does however take on a completely different and IMO much less criminal aspect as in their motive was in no way to harm any occupant of the home but rather only to steal the drugs and leave the occupants unharmed.. That's a lot less compared tattempts long murder charge he's facing and IMO is the exact reason we're hearing this drug excuse being claimed as the only motive for this crime being committed.. I say dream on buddy because no one believes your lame claim of motive.. IMO this is obvious by the serious charge of felony murder..

All jmo, tho!!

ETA: and likely our perp hasn't a clue that his attempts at minimizing the crime with claims of motive being to steal the prescription meds, not harm the occupants are absolutely fruitless regardless of if it's believed or not.. It's still all felony murder.. The death occurred within the commission of another felony crime.. Regardless of the crime being motivated by intent to harm this young mom or just to steal prescription drugs.. No matter the crime being committed was a felony, his drug addicted pal got killed(and rightfully so IMO)during the commission of that felony crime therefor he's up chits creek without a paddle due to those circumstances lead to his being charged with felony murder.. He easily could have been handed his judgement and execution immediately as Stewart was handed in his being killed during the execution of this crime.. So IMO he's already gotten the much sweeter deal than his druggie, thieving, stalker pal, Stewart!! No sympathy at all for either of them!! I hope criminals are taking heed of what their victims WILL DO WITHOUT HESITATION if they should enter and/or threaten them, their homes or especially their children!!
 
  • #43
Apparently, they've charged the other guy with felony murder...interesting. I hope they can prove it, you know?

(And no link just yet, heard it on the news).

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Herding Cats

They don't have to prove much for felony murder. The idea of the felony murder that if several people try to commit a felony (in this case, an alleged burglary) and one of them is killed by someone else, then all the burglars are guilty of his murder. So they would only have to prove this guy was trying to burglarize the house together with the one who was killed.
 
  • #44
I applaud this girl! Lord, she has had a rough past two months. Its wonderful that she has the baby though.

As for LE charging the other guy. We had a road incident similar to this a year or so ago. Older man with his niece (he had just picked her up from school). They were stopped in traffic and these two thugs came up to their vehicle to rob them. Well, he pulled his gun and shot one of them. Yes, he had a CWP and was trained. He was not charged with anything. Instead, they did just like this one. The other guy was charged with armed robbery and felony murder.

Its about time. We, the people, have had enough and are not afraid to stand up to the thugs!
 
  • #45
God bless her. There is no doubt in my mind I would do the same. Mothers with children to protect being dangerous and all.
 
  • #46
Are their any photos of the perp who was killed, Stewart? I don't believe I've seen a photo of him.. Only the mug shot of the hefty perp that escaped and has been charged..
 
  • #47
They don't have anything to prove. If someone dies during the commission of a felony that you are committing .. you can be charged with felony murder.

Sucks to be him.

I do find it interesting that her husband was 58 years old and she is 18 with a 3 month old baby. She was pg at 17. On another thread people would be screaming that he was a child molester.. and she was a victim. Just sayin'

I wouldn't be, as the age of consent in MO is 17...
 
  • #48
It really doesn't matter IMO.
She married him so they were together legally.
They had a child.
She probably was a great help to him in his cancer battle.

I for one will not call anybody a molester without knowing the details.

JMO
 
  • #49
  • #50
If all he wanted was the drugs he could have waited until no one was home. He knew the mom was there with her baby all along.
 
  • #51
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Shane-Martin-looking-prescription-drugs.html

Per this link, the intruder was addicted to prescriptions and looking for his next fix.

My mother died of brain cancer and we had her under hospice care in her home. One of us had to be with her at all times. She was prescribed a very limited amount of prescription pain meds with her hospice nurse continually monitoring her dosage. Refills were called in frequently from one designated pharmacy in another town 20 miles away, which we had to juggle logistics picking up. Extra care was taken before Fridays to make sure she had enough to last through the weekend.

Now I understand the reasoning. At the time, my hands were full just taking of her. After my mother passed away, we had very few pain meds left over. Certaining not enough for an idiot to risk his life breaking in to steal.
 
  • #52
They don't have to prove much for felony murder. The idea of the felony murder that if several people try to commit a felony (in this case, an alleged burglary) and one of them is killed by someone else, then all the burglars are guilty of his murder. So they would only have to prove this guy was trying to burglarize the house together with the one who was killed.


A man was convicted of murder for the death of a police officer killed in a car crash while man was being chased by other officers. This case was rather strange in that the police officer was nowhere near where the chase was going on but was speeding to join the chase on the other side of town and had a fatal car crash.
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  • #53
21 minutes on the 911 call? Where was LE? Why would it take that long for them to get there? Thank God she was armed for her sake and that of her baby. 21 minutes of terror and no one to help. Geez.

I am equally astounded that she was on the phone that long with the perpetrators still attempting to enter the house. Either they are completely stupid or they couldn't hear she was on the phone summoning LE. Thankfully she was able to protect herself especially with the length of time for LE to arrive.

MOO
 
  • #54
If all he wanted was the drugs he could have waited until no one was home. He knew the mom was there with her baby all along.

Exactly. I don't believe stealing drugs was the primary motive either. If they suspected her deceased husband's drugs were still in the house, they knew she was alone with the baby. What they didn't count on was her being armed.

MOO
 
  • #55
It is enough to give one nightmares. As bad as the worst scary movie. Thank Goodness she had the gun and used it.

Exactly. I don't believe stealing drugs was the primary motive either. If they suspected her deceased husband's drugs were still in the house, they knew she was alone with the baby. What they didn't count on was her being armed.

MOO
 
  • #56
I am equally astounded that she was on the phone that long with the perpetrators still attempting to enter the house. Either they are completely stupid or they couldn't hear she was on the phone summoning LE. Thankfully she was able to protect herself especially with the length of time for LE to arrive.

MOO

I live out in the country and understand that it may take a bit longer for LE to arrive, but 21 minutes is a very long time to have to stare down the door with a gun. Wow. No wonder she's still in shock.
 
  • #57
http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor...inutes-police-arrive-20120106,0,4346944.story

Snip: But many people have wondered why it took 21 minutes for authorities to respond.

Blanchard Police are speaking out about their role in this.

Chief Walt Thompson tells us they were on the scene six minutes after being called, but they weren't the first called.

"I understand the initial call went to the Grady County Sheriff's Office and that's because she called on a cell phone and being this far into Grady County, it hit a tower and the 911 system sent it to Grady County Sheriff's office. It's a bug that probably needs to be addressed and worked out hopefully in the future," he said.




I live out in the country and understand that it may take a bit longer for LE to arrive, but 21 minutes is a very long time to have to stare down the door with a gun. Wow. No wonder she's still in shock.
 
  • #58
I'm not buying what Stewart is selling. Stealing drugs doesn't involve stalking women and killing of pets.

I suspect that he wanted in to get at her, but for some reason didn't want to go alone. And he likely told Stewart about drugs as an incentive for Stewart to come along. Once they got inside, he could have harmed her then they still could steal the drugs and money. But for the sole motive to be drugs, no I don't believe that. If it had been just for drugs, they would have waited until she left the home then broke in. Because even an addict knows that you don't knowingly leave a witness.

I live in the country and 20 min would be a quick response from LE unless by some coincidence they were already in the area.
Our sheriff's dept staffs one deputy at night. I think there is two or three during the day, as well as some supplemental staff. Like serving warrants, environmental etc. In an incident like this I think all would probably respond. But they would need time, just to nagivate the travel time and traffic on the road, and at 2 pm that would be pretty busy.

I am glad she did what she had to do. And that is something she will need to keep in mind. She is alive, her baby is alive. They are alive because she did what she had to do.

For his family, I am sorry for their grief. But can they explain why he might have banged on her door long enough for her to have moved the sofa in front of the door? And while she was on the phone with LE for 20 min? Would he normally be beating down the door of an occupied home, and refusing to leave even when the door wasn't answered for 20 min? IMO drugs might have been part of it, but he wasn't there just for drugs, and if she had not protected herself she would now be dead.
 
  • #59
Have any of you listened to the 911 call? The thing that struck me was how calm and collected she sounded. She never raised her voice, her voice was not shaking, she sounded very much in control. I would have sounded like a basket case, but would have done the same thing as she did! No question about it.

Apparently, these guys did spend 20 minutes trying to get in, but they weren't just beating on one door. They were trying to break in through every way possible, through another door (I'm guessing a back door?) and windows. Ooh this is scary just typing it!

Whatever the motive of those two, it doesn't really matter. They weren't there for a nice visit and were determined to break into her home. In Oklahoma, a verbal warning to the intruders is not necessary, nor is attempting to flee. If bad guys break into your home, as soon as they cross your threshold or drop in from a window, it is your right to use deadly force. Of course, it's always best to have 911 at least recording what's going on if it's happening too fast to wait for the police.
 
  • #60
I wouldn't be, as the age of consent in MO is 17...

Except they were in Oklahoma. What I found says a 16 y.o. can have sex with anyone under the age of 18. No, I don't have a link....sorry.

It really doesn't matter IMO.
She married him so they were together legally.
They had a child.
She probably was a great help to him in his cancer battle.

I for one will not call anybody a molester without knowing the details.

JMO

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Shane-Martin-looking-prescription-drugs.html

Last updated at 5:46 PM on 6th January 2012

Mr McKinley had taught her how to shoot, she said. Though he was 40 years her senior, she says she’s not ashamed she married him. ‘I still love him with everything I am,’ she said.
The couple began living together three years ago and obtained a marriage licence in November.

Unless that is a misprint, she would have only been 15 and he 55 (:eek:) when they began living together and only married two months ago, just before he died. And after the baby was born. Unless that article is completely off.
 

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