Teen mom shoots intruder dead 1 week after husband dies of cancer

[Trident]

So now the dead husband is a criminal? Maybe we should stick to blaming the two scuz-buckets who were attempting to break into her home and do God-knows what to her and the baby?

 

[Mikebr]

Have any of you listened to the 911 call? The thing that struck me was how calm and collected she sounded. She never raised her voice, her voice was not shaking, she sounded very much in control. I would have sounded like a basket case, but would have done the same thing as she did! No question about it.

Apparently, these guys did spend 20 minutes trying to get in, but they weren't just beating on one door. They were trying to break in through every way possible, through another door (I'm guessing a back door?) and windows. Ooh this is scary just typing it!

Whatever the motive of those two, it doesn't really matter. They weren't there for a nice visit and were determined to break into her home. In Oklahoma, a verbal warning to the intruders is not necessary, nor is attempting to flee. If bad guys break into your home, as soon as they cross your threshold or drop in from a window, it is your right to use deadly force. Of course, it's always best to have 911 at least recording what's going on if it's happening too fast to wait for the police.

There is a lot about this story i do not understand and your points are well taken. I cannot understand why she didn't turn on the lights or yell...not that she is obligated to, but seems natural...and she had a dog in the pic with her and we never hear the dog bark during the 911 tape...perhaps it was outside or something..and she said something odd...she suspected someone had been coming into her house while she was away and taking her husbands meds....i have thought about that..who would break into a home and take some of his drugs then come back for more..and if it happened once, who would leave their doors open after that? and then there is the story about the alledge stalking behavior...her mother said he stalked her at a rodeo two years before..followed her out to her truck...but she said she had seen the guy around town but didn't know him...but then he showed up at her house the day or so before acting strangely but left because her family was there..said he introduced himself as a neighbor and left...hmmm...aren;t all those accts inconsistent with the others...stalking is not one encounter at a rodeo two years ago, nor is it seeing him around town...i really think there is more to this story..i am sure i will be unpopular in here...i always cheer when i read about the bad guy getting what he deserves..and this guy did kick the door open and that to me is suicide and justifiable to shoot...but i can't help thinking there is more to this story.

 

[SmoothOperator]

What do you mean by turn the lights on and yell? Would you link to where that's at?.. Not saying its false, just something I missed..
While IMO its fine to think there were other things or more to the story but still for me the bottom line is this..
He could have been having an affair with her up until 30mins prior to the crime or say he even was a current bf of hers(clearly he was neither and both are just examples).. But the bottom line is no matter what the back story is btwn the victim and the perpetrators the fact remained that they broke in and entered her home, brandishing a 12in bladed hunting knife.. And he was shot dead and the other charged with felony murder..

IMO fine to believe there's more to the story but the fact remains the same as far as she was the victim who committed justifiable homicide regardless of "if" or how long she knew one or either of the perps..

That is no way being rude about anyone's questioning there being possibly more to this story but rather just stating my opinion that the bottom line remains the same..jmo, tho!

I am interested to read the part where she refused to turn on lights or yell..
Tia..

 

[jjenny]

I have my own questions about this story as well. She breeds German Shepherd and in the photo there is a large German Shepherd with her. Where was the dog, because a dog like that could presumably scare off an intruder, I mean, it's not a toy poodle. Why was this guy trying to break in for 20 minutes? Didn't he think she was going to call 911? I just read police are looking for the dead guy's laptop and cell phone that police believe were in the truck but were not found in the truck when it was searched-so what happened to laptop and cell phone?

 

[Mikebr]

What do you mean by turn the lights on and yell? Would you link to where that's at?.. Not saying its false, just something I missed..
While IMO its fine to think there were other things or more to the story but still for me the bottom line is this..
He could have been having an affair with her up until 30mins prior to the crime or say he even was a current bf of hers(clearly he was neither and both are just examples).. But the bottom line is no matter what the back story is btwn the victim and the perpetrators the fact remained that they broke in and entered her home, brandishing a 12in bladed hunting knife.. And he was shot dead and the other charged with felony murder..

IMO fine to believe there's more to the story but the fact remains the same as far as she was the victim who committed justifiable homicide regardless of "if" or how long she knew one or either of the perps..

That is no way being rude about anyone's questioning there being possibly more to this story but rather just stating my opinion that the bottom line remains the same..jmo, tho!

I am interested to read the part where she refused to turn on lights or yell..
Tia..

I agree breaking in a door is good enough reason to shoot...but i really don't know if the brandishing the knife is what was happening..he is a rancher, why didn't he brandish a gun. i think he pried the door open with the knife..some trailer doors are more aluminum than wood...but my point is, if he was running from door to door...if she had yelled i have called the police and i have a gun, do you think he would have stuck around? isn't descretion the better part of valor? i am not convinced this man thought anyone was home. if she remained quiet he still would not know. i know of cases where burglars knock on doors and if noone answers they break in...sometimes children and women do stay quiet hoping the person goes away...and then they become in serious danger...i understand the first inclination to be quiet...but she had 911 on the phone and a gun and not sure where the big dog was..she also had 20 mins...i would have let the person know that he had better not come in...i saw someone post a similar question on another board...pointing out there was no dog barking...this poster wondered if the kid was not already dead. the shot the dispatcher heard was a staged shot according to that poster...I am not prepared to go that far...but i do worry that the husband had been selling his oxicotin for money, he would not have been the first person to do it. the stalking story, the story about previous intruders, the visit the prior night, something is strange about this story...no doubt this man was wrong and i would have shot him if my door flung open...but i am pretty certain he would have learned in a few seconds there was someone ready to fight if he kept trying to break in.

 

[Mikebr]

that the bottom line remains the same..jmo, tho!

I am interested to read the part where she refused to turn on lights or yell..
Tia..

I did not mean to suggest she refused to yell or turn on her lights..but she was on 911 and during that time she was talking in a low voice almost a whisper according to the dispatch...so by implication she was behaving as if the intruder did not know she was there...i am only saying if he had not known she was there, then he was not there to attack her but to burglarize the house...if he knew she was there, what would be the point of being quiet? if he was only going to burgal the house, wouldn't it be likely he would high tailed it out of there if he thought the police were coming? i think the stalking story is just that..to justify her claim he was coming after her...and the knife could have been a burglary tool....or one story said he was still clutching the knife..not sure how a dead man just hit by a shot gun could be clutching anything..if you get my drift....this story is just too weird. I would rather warn the would be intruder than clean up the blood.

 

[jjenny]

I personally think that before we know what the "bottom line" is, we need to know what the story is. Hopefully police are able to find the dead guy's laptop and cell phone to see what info he had on there. If the laptop and cell phone were in the truck and they are not there anymore, where did they go?

 

[QueenD]

Mikebr, if someone is breaking in my front door I am not going to turn on a light. I want to see them I don't want them to see me.

Also, I am a single female who lives alone. I have a security alarm on my house but my biggest fear is someone breaking in on me. The alarm is not really protecting me and may or may not scare off an intruder. But I will tell you this, if the alarm don't scare them off I have a shotgun sitting loaded behind my bedroom door and I would use it. I would not want to but it is my right to arm and protect myself in my home.

Thats all!

 

[jjenny]

Mikebr, if someone is breaking in my front door I am not going to turn on a light. I want to see them I don't want them to see me.

Also, I am a single female who lives alone. I have a security alarm on my house but my biggest fear is someone breaking in on me. The alarm is not really protecting me and may or may not scare off an intruder. But I will tell you this, if the alarm don't scare them off I have a shotgun sitting loaded behind my bedroom door and I would use it. I would not want to but it is my right to arm and protect myself in my home.

Thats all!

You have know the laws of your state. In some states you will get into trouble for that because you are obligated to try and flee (which I personally think is ridiculous, but if that's what the law is, one should know it).

 

[QueenD]

You have know the laws of your state. In some states you will get into trouble for that because you are obligated to try and flee (which I personally think is ridiculous, but if that's what the law is, one should know it).

Thanks, I do my son is LE.

 

[Mikebr]

Mikebr, if someone is breaking in my front door I am not going to turn on a light. I want to see them I don't want them to see me.

Also, I am a single female who lives alone. I have a security alarm on my house but my biggest fear is someone breaking in on me. The alarm is not really protecting me and may or may not scare off an intruder. But I will tell you this, if the alarm don't scare them off I have a shotgun sitting loaded behind my bedroom door and I would use it. I would not want to but it is my right to arm and protect myself in my home.

Thats all!

Yeah i understand the first thought to be quiet. but 20 minutes and a 911 call..if he is still trying to come thru after 20 minutes what do you have to lose by making noise? if the intruder go inside in just a couple of minutes then of course there is no other way but to do what you need to do. but if you have a gun, you have called police, don't you think it would be better to let him know that? I don't think he knew she was there. but i don't know the whole story..but the stalking allegation has me perplexed. seems like an invention. mother said she was "stalked" at a rodeo two years ago.. then the description was he followed her around and to her truck...then she said she really didn't know him, but saw him around town...then there was the recent visit at her home where he introduced himself as a neighbor..acted strangly but then left because her family was there...where in those descriptions do you see stalking? i worry when someone is working really hard to convince me of something...could it be a justification of some sort? perhaps the fact this young girl is unsophisticated and in shock she just was worried the fact he just busted down the door is all she really needs to see to fire that weapon, or maybe there is something else going on. but if you decide to stay quiet if someone is prying your door, i would suggest you call 911 then make that person know it.

 

[Mikebr]

Thanks, I do my son is LE.

I think evey state allows deadly force inside the home..i am pretty certain no one is required to retreat in their home. And i totally agree with that. in some states you can even take action outside your home. don't know the case in ok...but in fl where i am, you can use deadly force anywhere you feel threatened.

 

[Mikebr]

did it bother anyone that she posed for photographers with her shotgun at the ready? most people would be crushed after killing a man even if justified.

 

[Melanie]

All I can say is KUDOS to her. Once less woman and child killed! I don't care to hear the back story, or what have may led up to it. Nor will I speculate on dogs or guns.

All I know is 2 grown men tried to get at her and she shot one of them dead as he came through the door and protected her young child.

MORE VICTIMS SHOULD DO THE SAME! Woo hoo!!! She is a hero in my eyes!

Mel

 

[Melanie]

did it bother anyone that she posed for photographers with her shotgun at the ready? most people would be crushed after killing a man even if justified.

Not in the least. I would have done the same!! Good Lord, if a man came through my door trying to kill me and my son, I would probably want to have his head on a stick! But that's just me

 

[Mikebr]

Not in the least. I would have done the same!! Good Lord, if a man came through my door trying to kill me and my son, I would probably want to have his head on a stick! But that's just me

you are missing my point..i don't think he was coming in there to get anyone...if he didn't know anyone was there, how could he be coming to kill anyone? she was hiding and being quiet...and what if her husband or her had been selling drugs to him for months? i am not saying they were, but i am not buying he was coming after her..he was coming after drugs...how he knew they were there, we will leave for another day.

 

[jjenny]

All I can say is KUDOS to her. Once less woman and child killed! I don't care to hear the back story, or what have may led up to it. Nor will I speculate on dogs or guns.

All I know is 2 grown men tried to get at her and she shot one of them dead as he came through the door and protected her young child.

MORE VICTIMS SHOULD DO THE SAME! Woo hoo!!! She is a hero in my eyes!

Mel

Before we all get so excited, I hope police does investigate fully what was going on, including what was on this guy's laptop and cell phone. This case appears to be straight forward self-defense, but just recently a woman was convicted for murder of a man which she claimed to be self-defense. I don't think this is the case here, but, IMO, police need to investigate to make sure.

 

[OkGrace]

Turning on lights would show her position....Yelling would have also made her an easy target. This thread is getting muddied up by the fact that she is so young and her husband was not. That has zero to do with what happened, two perps tried to break in and she shot one, good for her and I commend her. She would have just been "another" victim to read about instead she and her son have a future....
BTW I had someone try to break in one night, did not turn on inside lights called 911 and hid. The person was caught, dopehead.

 

[peeples]

There was a recent case in Iowa, where a woman cleared of a self defense shooting many years ago, was found guilty of murder of the guy just recently. The woman framed the man and her exhusband

 

[Mikebr]

Before we all get so excited, I hope police does investigate fully what was going on, including what was on this guy's laptop and cell phone. This case appears to be straight forward self-defense, but just recently a woman was convicted for murder of her ex-husband which she claimed to be self-defense. I don't think this is the case here, but, IMO, police need to investigate to make sure.

It's probably self defense...and i certainly don't want to get everyone pissed at me.. i think there is room for healthy discussion. i just don't understand the need to label him a stalker..when the behavior decribed by her supporters is not even stalking. if she is justified in killing him, its because he broke in her door, why make up anything? I don't understand how a hand that is dead clutches a knife either. maybe the press used that word and the knife was actually laying on the ground. but i really don't think he was coming after this girl or her baby. he is another kid who is addicted to this terrible pain killer oxicotin and is willing to risk his freedom and apparently his life for that drug. i guess everyone wanting to cannonize this woman over the death of this kid, and telling the world she was protecting her child is just crazy. she was hiding and keeping quiet. he was breaking into an empty home in his mind. you can still legally shoot him, but there is no need to make stuff up...you know? and i agree, the police need to investigate more. thanks for letting me vent.