Teresa N., Haleigh's paternal grandmother #2

[Pondering Mind]

I ask this with all sincerity, Anothermom and everyone else -

Does this happen very often?

By "this" I mean stealing a child who is not your own for his/her own good.

Not that I have ever heard of LFlorida. I sure wish I shared Anothermom's postive outlook for HaLeigh though.

 

[elle1919]

I ask this with all sincerity, Anothermom and everyone else -

Does this happen very often?

By "this" I mean stealing a child who is not your own for his/her own good.

While it doesn't happen often it indeed does happen.

 

[stilettos]

Not that I have ever heard of LFlorida. I sure wish I shared Anothermom's postive outlook for HaLeigh though.

If we are to believe that this is true...we would be negating everything LE has told us is true in the case....and is that not what is the foundation of many posts complaining about reporting in the case....that it is not LE releasing the info? Incongruent??? Yeah.

 

[Quiche]

While it doesn't happen often it indeed does happen.

Can you link me to some statistics? I know there is a movie or two like this, but...I can't think of a real case right off the bat.

 

[TxLady2]

I ask this with all sincerity, Anothermom and everyone else -

Does this happen very often?

By "this" I mean stealing a child who is not your own for his/her own good.

There is only one reason that I can think of for a relative or close friend to steal a female child and leave a male child behind, and I do not want to go there. I cannot justify leaving the other child behind for the one child's benefit. Both children would be missing their sibling, as well as their parents. Stealing a child is usually done for the benefit of the person doing the stealing... not the child. MOO.

 

[LFlorida]

While it doesn't happen often it indeed does happen.

I saw someone trying to make that argument about the newborn stolen from the hispanic mother last week. I'm sorry, but I do not buy it.

Regardless, it is wholly unlawful, a capital offense, isn't it?

It deprives the child of his/her family, not to mention the anguish caused to the parents who may or may not be good parents depending on who's judging.

A person who does this has no respect for other humans - their psychological well-being or their physical well-being. I believe that would be considered a psychopath. [But, admittedly, I'm not as familiar as others with the DSM or whatever that psychiatric diagnosis manual is called.]

If anybody comes up with a case where this was the excuse, I would very much be interested in reading about it.

tia

 

[elle1919]

Quiche and LForida I went in search of some statistics for you. There were several links to find the information you were looking for.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2810

snipped from the above website~
How many children are reported missing each year?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

* 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
* 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
* 58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
* 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

Other links:http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

quite a large pamphlet with lots of information at above link.

I also found an article done by abc news. Of course I will leave it up to you to draw your own conclusion but in answer to your specific question of how often an abductor might do so for the child's "own good", it offers quite a compelling argument.

Snip~ Despite what seems to have been a rash of children abducted by strangers this summer, there aren't any more than normal, and vastly greater numbers of children are kidnapped by their own parents and relatives — and those cases rarely generate headlines.

Stranger abductions make up the smallest percentage of children reported missing every year. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children believes that stranger abductions are decreasing overall and projects that there will be approximately 100 of these kind of cases by the end of this year. ~ end snip http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91365&page=1

 

[curvecuti]

Quiche and LForida I went in search of some statistics for you. There were several links to find the information you were looking for.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2810

snipped from the above website~
How many children are reported missing each year?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

* 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
* 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
* 58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
* 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

Other links:http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

quite a large pamphlet with lots of information at above link.

I also found an article done by abc news. Of course I will leave it up to you to draw your own conclusion but in answer to your specific question of how often an abductor might do so for the child's "own good", it offers quite a compelling argument.

Snip~ Despite what seems to have been a rash of children abducted by strangers this summer, there aren't any more than normal, and vastly greater numbers of children are kidnapped by their own parents and relatives — and those cases rarely generate headlines.

Stranger abductions make up the smallest percentage of children reported missing every year. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children believes that stranger abductions are decreasing overall and projects that there will be approximately 100 of these kind of cases by the end of this year. ~ end snip http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91365&page=1

Great info. elle! Thanks so much for finding it!

 

[debs]

Quiche and LForida I went in search of some statistics for you. There were several links to find the information you were looking for.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2810

snipped from the above website~
How many children are reported missing each year?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

* 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.
* 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.
* 58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.
* 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

Other links:http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

quite a large pamphlet with lots of information at above link.

I also found an article done by abc news. Of course I will leave it up to you to draw your own conclusion but in answer to your specific question of how often an abductor might do so for the child's "own good", it offers quite a compelling argument.

Snip~ Despite what seems to have been a rash of children abducted by strangers this summer, there aren't any more than normal, and vastly greater numbers of children are kidnapped by their own parents and relatives — and those cases rarely generate headlines.

Stranger abductions make up the smallest percentage of children reported missing every year. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children believes that stranger abductions are decreasing overall and projects that there will be approximately 100 of these kind of cases by the end of this year. ~ end snip http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=91365&page=1

What happened to the other 535,785 children not accounted for in the statistics you provided?

 

[elle1919]

What happened to the other 535,785 children not accounted for in the statistics you provided?

I wasn't the one that asked for the information. So I didn't read every article in its entirety. I was merely trying to find some data that would answer the question posed to me above. I also did not take part in the writing and releasing of the information stated in the studies that I linked. If you truly wonder what happened to the 535,785, perhaps you can answer your own question by reading the documents..

If you read the information at the nismart2 link here..http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

I think you might find your answer.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Here are the possibilities, or some of them, at least, since we are dealing with "reported missing." not actually missing:

1. A young child wandered away from home or a parent and was later found (e.g., in a mall, in the neighborhood, at a friend's house, in the woods, trapped in a small space). Or an older child is exploring and gets lost.

2. The child or children is reported missing in a custody dispute if the non-custodial parent is late bringing the child from visitation.

3. The child is a runaway teenager--gone for a night, weekend, or permanently and reported.

4. An older child has gone out of the area without permission and is late getting back or lost. (This happened to a friend; her son got on his bike and went 20 miles and was too tired to bike back. She was frantic until she got a call from the police at the point where he gave up trying to get home.)

5. The child is reported missing and is later found dead as a result of accident (falls into a well, drowns, etc).

6. The child is missing and is never found, so there is no explanation. There were two boys from the Pittsburgh area, Jon Dabkowski and Gabe Minarcin, who just vanished. Footprints led to the river but no bodies were ever recovered. They are still "missing."

7. A child is murdered or killed by accident and the parents report him or her missing to cover up (Robert Manwill, Nicole Bryner from Pittsburgh, Caylee Anthony).

8. A child is murdered by a neighbor, family member or acquaintance of the family but not "abducted". That is, the child is dead, but the parents don't know and report him or her "missing."

9. A child is abducted by an adult for his or her own reasons and later found or released.

The link elle1919 posted is full of information and specific cases--well worth the read.

I'm sure I've forgotten some possibilities.

 

[Quiche]

Is there a family member on the run somewhere? One of the simplest investigations to run, I imagine, and since there is no POI, I suspect they are all present and accounted for.

Have TN's residences been searched? Has GGS's? TN's boyfriend's?

 

[Flossie JMO]

I always come back to this Elle * 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions

and non custodial family, and the support issue

 

[Trident]

I saw someone trying to make that argument about the newborn stolen from the hispanic mother last week. I'm sorry, but I do not buy it.

Regardless, it is wholly unlawful, a capital offense, isn't it?

It deprives the child of his/her family, not to mention the anguish caused to the parents who may or may not be good parents depending on who's judging.

A person who does this has no respect for other humans - their psychological well-being or their physical well-being. I believe that would be considered a psychopath. [But, admittedly, I'm not as familiar as others with the DSM or whatever that psychiatric diagnosis manual is called.]

If anybody comes up with a case where this was the excuse, I would very much be interested in reading about it.

tia

The only cases I've ever heard of were done by family members, grandparents usually, in cases of abuse, sexual or otherwise.

 

[elle1919]

Is there a family member on the run somewhere? One of the simplest investigations to run, I imagine, and since there is no POI, I suspect they are all present and accounted for.

Have TN's residences been searched? Has GGS's? TN's boyfriend's?

In cases like these I have noticed that LE start with the family and branch out from there. Considering the investigation into Haleigh's disappearance began in February I can only hope that Law Enforcement searched and investigated the homes of the people you mention in your post. I know it is a fact that Law Enforcement searched each and every home of the 44 RSO in a five mile radius surrounding Haleigh's home at 202 Green lane but I hope that the residences are under continuous scrutiny so we do not see another tragedy like we saw with jessica L

snip~Jessica Lunsford: Another sad chapter in a tragic story.

NEW YORK – “Had the Citrus County sheriff and the department done its job, it’s clear to us that Jessica would, in all likelihood, be alive today.

Those are powerful words from an attorney for Mark Lunsford, whose 9-year-old daughter Jessica was abducted, raped and murdered by convicted child molester John Couey.

The killer has been sentenced to death for the crime, but Lunsford feels critical mistakes were made in the investigation and has filed notice of intent to sue authorities. To make a statute of limitations deadline, the notice had to be given up to a year after Couey claimed at his sentencing hearing that he kept Jessica in a closet while police searched for her.
~ end snip

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/29/jessica-lunsford-another-sad-chapter-in-a-tragic-story/

 

[LFlorida]

Great info. elle! Thanks so much for finding it!

Exquisite work, Elle!!! errr..... but I'm not finding the reference to your answer to the question, or your answer.

FWIW - someone else posted that exact same doc back last spring re: another question I asked ! [Talk about coincidences!!!]
IIRC, that person was using it to illustrate how Crystal abducted Haleigh and was taking her out of the country. That's it - the poster also gave me a link to the State Dept's Policy manual. X/O helpful. I think it was one of the Mommy's on here.

 

[LFlorida]

Back on-topic...

So anybody know when Teresa's scheduled to appear on Nancy Grace again? tia

 

[LFlorida]

Is there a family member on the run somewhere? One of the simplest investigations to run, I imagine, and since there is no POI, I suspect they are all present and accounted for.

Have TN's residences been searched? Has GGS's? TN's boyfriend's?

Ooh, good points, Quiche.

Also,

1. Is Teresa's brother Donald an a/c technician?

2. Do Donald and Elisa live w/Annette?

3. What kind of vehicle does Jeff drive?

tttiiiaaa

 

[elle1919]

I thought it was just my computer again...

 

[LillieBelle]

I guess we just see things differently. All the posts that accuse RC of killing Haleigh and TN and AS covering for him, that just go on and on, and have for 7+ months, I consider that beating something to death. Especially since there is not a shread of evidence that points toward that theory.

This post references a quote by HH that asks the question as to why TN has and still appears to support MC no matter what, post was questioning why... The post above does not answer that or even address that question. It is frustrating to me. Every time someone (goes on and on) questions such things or people, it is met with not an answer, but a version of what is stated in this quote above. JMVHO