Teresa N., Haleigh's paternal grandmother

[LFlorida]

Hi LFlorida...nice to see you back to posting. I am not on a side and all I want to do is open up communication. I am looking for a discussion....any discussion and thats all. No-one has yet to convince me one way or the other that Ronald was involved in his daughter's disappearance. No-one has yet to convince me that Crystal was involved in Haleigh's disappearance. Everyone has different ideas, but none are yet so compelling to sway MY opinion that there is still a chance that Haleigh was taken by a sex offender, either registered or maybe this was their first time. Anyway, I don't think it is a stretch that this might be what occurred. I have had the same belief since day 1 and I have posted on numerous threads my theory in full. But, not many posters respond to those threads. The threads about the players in this case are full of a lot of opinions and view points and these are the ones that have the most traffic.

But, just because I do not have the same belief as others on this forum that one side of the family or the other is involved, such as TN, does not make my voice any softer and until LE enforcement comes out and gives us some info....I will stand by my assertion and continue to talk about the possibility that justice for Haleigh will come, hopefully sooner rather than later..

I've been right there, too, elle, so I can relate. [See ChRey thread.]

I'll respond/reply/discuss. Just point me to your post.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

BBM

I don't see the logic there. Why would you think the LEO would lie ? He/she would either be using info TN provided him verbally or off her DL. Unless he knew her well personnally, including where she lived, why would he doubt the info she gave him ? Later LE probably verified everything - at least I hope they did.

There is no logic which is my point. I do not think LE would lie. I do not think LE would purposefully have written a wrong address, but it does happen. It could very well be it was on her DL and the information had changed. It could be one number was transposed by the officer. However, it is NOT logical to believe TN would lie about her address to LE when she works with them.

 

[elle1919]

I've been right there, too, elle, so I can relate. [See ChRey thread.]

I'll respond/reply/discuss. Just point me to your post.

lol.....well here is one spot, gotta kind of read into the middle!

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - What is Misty Hiding?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I would so appreciate it if someone could confirm whether TN worked at Messer's Eastside Bait & Tackle in East Palatka in the 1980s. If so, then it changes my whole opinion about TN and the case. If she is the T who worked up there, then I knew her. I thought she was super nice and sweet, very trustworthy. I liked her a lot.

Why don't you call and ask them at the bait shop? Someone is likely to remember her after all this media attention. I would like to know, too!

 

[Skully]

There is no logic which is my point. I do not think LE would lie. I do not think LE would purposefully have written a wrong address, but it does happen. It could very well be it was on her DL and the information had changed. It could be one number was transposed by the officer. However, it is NOT logical to believe TN would purposefully lie about her address to LE when she works with them.

You know I do agree with you that she could have handed them her DLID and it was an old address. She would have been distraught over Haleigh missing. Another thing I do know is google maps may have had a photo of a lot before the MH was placed there. JMO and speculation on my part.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

There is no logic which is my point. I do not think LE would lie. I do not think LE would purposefully have written a wrong address, but it does happen. It could very well be it was on her DL and the information had changed. It could be one number was transposed by the officer. However, it is NOT logical to believe TN would lie about her address to LE when she works with them.

LOL - We will have to agree to disagree as to the logic of our individual thought processes.

TN may have lied - IF she did - because:

1. Like Casey A, she didn't think she'd get caught. After all in the scope of what LE was facing that first week or so, TN's address probably wasn't high on their list of priorities.

2. If LE took the info off her DL, she could've easily explained that she forgot the old address was on there.

3. She had reason to believe that LE wouldn't check her statements. As you noted above, she works with them and may have had an expectation of trust.
Perhaps there are also other realtionships with LE that allowed her to feel confidant.

Again, this is all speculation. What I find more productive to consider are TN's possible motives for providing misleading information about her whereabouts - IF, indeed, she did so. This is a discussion that could provide some insight into Haleigh's disappearance.

 

[LFlorida]

Why don't you call and ask them at the bait shop? Someone is likely to remember her after all this media attention. I would like to know, too!

The person currently in that position at the bait shop had no idea if TN ever worked there. [It has been over 20 yrs. Yes, I'm old as hell0.] I'm not sure who amongst the Messers is still alive besides Virginia's "kid" who's probably a grandparent by now. [gawd, that's depressing to even imagine.]

 

[LFlorida]

Since I could not quote the post, I am referring to the question of TN and her residence or place when she got the news about Haleigh....anyone?

She works at Alachua Sheriff's Dept. in Gainsville....45 min or so from Satsuma. Was she at work on the 9th? If known, has anyone heard of the shift she works.

If she was not at work, where did she come from at 3:30 am on the 10th of February?

Her work attendance would fall under the FIA and Sunshine laws, wouldn't it? She is a gov't employee, so I'm thinking maybe it does. [FIA - Freedom of Information Act]

Busylady, you are much bolder than I about doing this kind of thing. Would you request this info from ACSO? [lol - I'm so chicken that I won't even call and ask for my own records from people. Irrational fear, I know.]

Thanks in advance. I admire your go-get'em spirit.

ETA - Is busy still posting here much?

 

[LFlorida]

lol.....well here is one spot, gotta kind of read into the middle!

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - What is Misty Hiding?

I liked that post, elle. Unfortunately, I got totally confused after reading it and ended up getting booted off the internet trying to find my way to the thread.
[btw - iirc, LE mentioned the cinderblock @ the very beginning.]

 

[LFlorida]

Help bring Haleigh home!

 

[LFlorida]

Sorry, I just do not "get" the deafening silence to my post re: ACSO reports.

Does busy already have this report?

If I request it, will I find out something bad? (Just wondering.)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Busy is still posting here, Thank Goodness!

:waitasec: So...what it appears is that Teresa's address is key to finding Haleigh now? She wasn't the one who didn't bother to show up immediately upon finding out Haleigh was missing. Her response was totally like mine would have been.

I would have gone straight to the mh in a heartbeat if someone called to tell me my grandchild went missing in the middle of the night. I would have driven like a bat out of hell and there would have been a line of police cars following me to issue tickets for every traffic infraction along the way until I arrived. I would not have stopped for ANY reason!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The person currently in that position at the bait shop had no idea if TN ever worked there. [It has been over 20 yrs. Yes, I'm old as hell0.] I'm not sure who amongst the Messers is still alive besides Virginia's "kid" who's probably a grandparent by now. [gawd, that's depressing to even imagine.]

LOL I do know how that can make one feel old.

My suggestion is to find an old devoted fisherman in the area of the bait shop. He/she would probably remember who sold them bait a few times a week or so.

 

[BetsyB]

There is no logic which is my point. I do not think LE would lie. I do not think LE would purposefully have written a wrong address, but it does happen. It could very well be it was on her DL and the information had changed. It could be one number was transposed by the officer. However, it is NOT logical to believe TN would lie about her address to LE when she works with them.

BBM I agree that there would be no legitimate reason for her, as a law-abiding citizen, to provide false information, or to fail to note that, say, the information on her driver's license was outdated.

But we're assessing her credibility. In the information-free vacuum in which this case is suspended, there's little else to do but analyze the tiny bits and pieces we have.

It may well prove fruitless. But if RC is involved, there may be far more to TN than meets the eye. In that case, it may well become critical that she arrived on the scene almost immediately, when she's in fact living a much greater distance from the MH with her boyfriend (if this is, in fact, the case).

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Sorry, I just do not "get" the deafening silence to my post re: ACSO reports.

Does busy already have this report?

If I request it, will I find out something bad? (Just wondering.)

I don't know how a person would be privy to work records or what reason could be given to obtain them. Florida's Sunshine Law astounds me at what personal information is put out there for the public.

I don't know if Busy has such a report since it was never an issue about where Teresa lived or if she was at work at the time.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

BBM I agree that there would be no legitimate reason for her, as a law-abiding citizen, to provide false information, or to fail to note that, say, the information on her driver's license was outdated.

But we're assessing her credibility. In the information-free vacuum in which this case is suspended, there's little else to do but analyze the tiny bits and pieces we have.

It may well prove fruitless. But if RC is involved, there may be far more to TN than meets the eye. In that case, it may well become critical that she arrived on the scene almost immediately, when she's in fact living a much greater distance from the MH with her boyfriend (if this is, in fact, the case).

I can see LE asking for her ID to verify who she was and why she was at the scene. I would also have to assume she told them she worked with LE in another county (wasn't she wearing her LE jacket later that morning while on camera?). Is a dispatcher given a LE ID of some kind?

I know I would tell them and I would be calling officers there myself with the information that Haleigh was missing instead of waiting on Putnum County to advise. I would have been shortcutting every way possible any red tape or movement on the case in order to find my grandchild.

 

[SCHTown]

IMHO, EVERYONE needs to be looked at as LE has stated that "No one has been cleared". IF LE did infact have your address listed incorrectly, that's a big red flag for me. While I can certainly understand that it wasn't important at the time, I would imagine that it's one of the many things that have been corrected since the inital report. If she's NOT living at that address, that raises more questions for me. How was she able to grab a picture of HaLeigh and get there so quickly, UNLESS she was called at say 2?? KWIM?? HINKY METER GOING OFF!!!!!!

 

[DotsEyes]

TN did not give LE a false address and LE did not record the wrong address for TN. I don't know how one jumps from being unable to find a residence registered in her name for this address or a roof top for the address in an aerial photo turns into TN giving LE false information about where she lives.

Isn't it much more likely that she rents her home and that the roof top does not show up because it is hidden by trees or was not yet there when the photo was taken? Why jump to such a sinister conclusion when there are other very reasonable and plausible explanations for her name to not be on the mortgage and conveyance records for the property and for the home to not be visible from the aerial photo taken who knows when?

When you hear hooves in Montana, don't think Zebras.

 

[elle1919]

IMHO, EVERYONE needs to be looked at as LE has stated that "No one has been cleared". IF LE did infact have your address listed incorrectly, that's a big red flag for me. While I can certainly understand that it wasn't important at the time, I would imagine that it's one of the many things that have been corrected since the inital report. If she's NOT living at that address, that raises more questions for me. How was she able to grab a picture of HaLeigh and get there so quickly, UNLESS she was called at say 2?? KWIM?? HINKY METER GOING OFF!!!!!!

See this is just another thing that really baffles me. Not a bad thing but after I read your post I was like huh? lol....you think it raises questions that she....TN.....a loving grandmother would be able to grab a picture of Haleigh so quickly and get there.

For me....and I am only a mommy not a grandmother, but very very loving....and I would question the fact that a loving grandmother could NOT...I repeat not.....grab up a recent picture in seconds and get there. Two sides to a coin I guess.

The only way I can hypothesize is to think if my hubby were to call me while I was at home and he was at the playground with my children and he called me to say my youngest was gone....I know, different but I am hypothesizing here.....he was with the kids, she is missing, I am a smart woman and followed many missing children cases, a recent picture is of utmost importance and I wouldn't count on anyone else supplying one and maybe TN didn't either. I don't think her thinking to grab a picture is suspicious. Maybe Ronald told her the police needed one, maybe TN just wanted to hold it......I don't know. That is just my opinion.

 

[raeann]

This has been one very hard thing for me to fit in regarding TN's behavior. The FIRST thing that one would think when getting a call like this is that she is going to be found quickly by someone who KNOWS what she looks like. They would think that she is near the home, with MC's family, or even asleep in the car. Most grandmas of young kids would not jump to the conclusion that she will need to be disseminating a picture, and even if it crossed her mind, why would the child's PARENT not have a number of recent pictures already at hand? There are many dozens of pictures of Haleigh out there, surely some of these must have been available at the MH ! Why would TN feel that she needed to bring one when there should be many of them already there?