Terri and the gym

[32beatspersecond]

One of Terri's facebooks entries about going to the gym is after a friend mentioned wanting to see her. Terri told her that she'd be at the gym at a certain time if she wanted to see her there. Going to a gym isn't anything I'd be doing since it's more of a luxury like eating out instead of at home, but might be out hiking and walking searching as I went. Gyms are hot and extremely noisy, but some people might get comfort , and relieve stress if that's what they like. To me, it wasn't the comment on FB about going to the gym, it was that they both were going to the gym.

I'm not condoning Terri's actions but exercise and strenuous activity during a time of high stress and anxiety is actually good for the mind. It releases or burns off the negative energy and revitalizes the cells, clearing out the free radicals and releasing endorphins into the body. maybe there is no gym or weights at the home. if there were she would not be judged on this. JMO

 

[Billylee]

I still think, they, both Kaine & Terri went to the gym because it was Kaine's idea. And it was Kaine's idea, because he actually was checking on Terri's whereabouts and when she signed in on June 4. JMHO

 

[32beatspersecond]

I still think, they, both Kaine & Terri went to the gym because it was Kaine's idea. And it was Kaine's idea, because he actually was checking on Terri's whereabouts and when she signed in on June 4. JMHO

I wonder if the sign in was in her hand writing

 

[SacreBleu]

I wonder if the sign in was in her hand writing

Manual sign-in sheets? Yikes. I thought most gyms used computerized systems now. At mine they just swipe your card. I guess I assumed theirs would have been the same....

Also, they know when I come in, but not when I leave. Obviously, Terri would have had to check the baby in and out of daycare, however.

I was wondering if 11:30-12:30 was a very busy time at the gym - I would think it might be, during lunch hour and all?

 

[BeanE]

A few of us are working in the Sauvie Island timeline thread in the Reference/Timeline forum.

Could you all please refresh my memory? (I've got a wicked case of the flu.) Wasn't there an article that said investigators interviewed people who were at/working at the gym on June 4? Was there a friend or gym employee who said Terri had been at the gym?

I'm trying to confirm if Terri was at the gym, due to Sauvie apparently not fitting into the timeline. (Explained in the Sauvie timeline thread.)

TIA
BeanE

 

[Billylee]

BeanE, you bring up a good point, because all I can remember is seeing it in the timeline that appeared for TH in one of the papers, and IIRC that timeline was from TH herself, but I'll look some more. However, doesn't one of the LE fliers allude to the fact that she was at the gym at 11:30 (or at least alludes they are not questioning that time period)?

 

[Billylee]

n addition, investigators asked people to think back about whether they saw a white truck on or around Newberry Rd., Germantown Rd., Old Germantown Rd., Skyline Rd., Springville Rd., or Skyline Elementary School between 10:15 and 11:30 a.m. on the day Kyron vanished.

Sources tell KGW that this time frame is significant: They say investigators have determined that, from the time Terri left the second Fred Meyer, it would have taken her until about 10:15 to return to the Skyline area where DeDe Spicher was reportedly gardening. Terri would have had to leave the Skyline area by 11:30 in order to get to the gym at the time she reportedly checked in that afternoon.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-to--100446244.html

 

[i.b.nora]

From email that Terri supposedly sent to a friend:

"I have a receipt showing I was checking out at Fred Meyer 7 miles away at 9:12am. I went to another FM looking for meds for Kitty they didn't have at the first FM. Then I was trying to get Kitty to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20. Out at 12:20. Home at 12:45. Kaine home at 2. Bus at 3:30. That was my day - they keep asking me. Now on my 5th interview with them."

 

[BeanE]

Thanks, Billy and Nora.

I've Kaine thinking she went to the gym:


She had on the same clothes as earlier in the day?
01:03:45 >> Yeah.
01:03:46 She had gone to the gym, i believe, prior in the day and she still had her gym clothes on.

http://www.livedash.com/transcript/hln_news/5100/HLN/Friday_July_9_2010/250687/


I don't think we have anything solid to confirm she went to the gym.

My brain is fuzzy today. I'm also trying to find why we thought the baby was in the daycare at the gym.

If she didn't actually go to the gym, that would open up the timeline enough to squeeze Sauvie into the timeline.

Maybe some enterprising reporter will pick up on this and try to get a confirmation from Kaine on whether LE confirmed her at the gym, and what time.

LE isn't questioning after 11:30, and with that very specific and unusual time of 11:39, it looks like an electronic check-in time. I don't know though.

 

[Donjeta]

Depending on their check-in system and security cameras there might be some or no uncertainty about whether she was there working out. I think no one ever confirmed that she left the baby in the gym day care either? But if she did there is a record of her arriving and leaving and she needs to have spoken with an actual person who would probably have remembered her if questioned on Day 1 or 2 and it was verifiable.

 

[Mellen]

This article says TH went to 24-Hour Fitness on Waterhouse Ave. in Beaverton.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html

Looking at the 24-Hour Fitness site's FAQ page (see cardless check-in section):

http://www.24hourfitness.com/company/faq/

I found the following info. (not direct quotes, I'm summarizing).

24-Hour Fitness is switching over to cardless entry, which uses fingerprinting to ID members so they won't have to bring photo ID to club. It's not at all locations yet, but it will be.

The location TH went to is new (web page says newly opened http://www.24hourfitness.com/FindClubDetail.do?clubid=849), so it may well already have this system. If not, sounds like photo ID would be required.

Also, the FAQ page says even after a club switches to cardless entry, people using Kids Club would still need to bring photo ID if using the babysitting services.

So it sounds like the club check-in info. would be pretty verifiable.

 

[purple turtle]

Hitting the gym comment: Possibly drifting OT ...
I did not understand about her going to the gym and what all the fuss was about until I saw a copy of her old Facebook page (I know possibly not reliable) and it was the only thing she posted. She thanked a few people and "friended" a lot of new people ... so it was odd. NOTHING about Kyron at all. Also, I did not understand the Willamette Week article ... what everyone was talking about with the lawn ... until I read the article and there was no concern by her about Kyron in the article. I understood that she did not want to talk about it but not to talk about Kyron at all? So there were two incidences IMHO that she was acting odd after the disappearance of her stepson that are on record. Granted the WW reporter could have skewed things, but still... I'm not saying this means she did anything ... it is just a few things in a long list of events by her that continually has me scratching my head.

 

[gwenabob]

Hitting the gym comment: Possibly drifting OT ...
I did not understand about her going to the gym and what all the fuss was about until I saw a copy of her old Facebook page (I know possibly not reliable) and it was the only thing she posted. She thanked a few people and "friended" a lot of new people ... so it was odd. NOTHING about Kyron at all. Also, I did not understand the Willamette Week article ... what everyone was talking about with the lawn ... until I read the article and there was no concern by her about Kyron in the article. I understood that she did not want to talk about it but not to talk about Kyron at all? So there were two incidences IMHO that she was acting odd after the disappearance of her stepson that are on record. Granted the WW reporter could have skewed things, but still... I'm not saying this means she did anything ... it is just a few things in a long list of events by her that continually has me scratching my head.

The reason we were all talking about the lawn is because some of us think the reporter was purposely trying to talk about her yard and perhaps leading to a discussion regarding her need for a landscaper to help care for it. In other words, the reporter may have had an inside tip about the MFH and the landscaper before LE was able to tell Kaine.

 

[pufnstuf]

Hitting the gym comment: Possibly drifting OT ...
I did not understand about her going to the gym and what all the fuss was about until I saw a copy of her old Facebook page (I know possibly not reliable) and it was the only thing she posted. She thanked a few people and "friended" a lot of new people ... so it was odd. NOTHING about Kyron at all. Also, I did not understand the Willamette Week article ... what everyone was talking about with the lawn ... until I read the article and there was no concern by her about Kyron in the article. I understood that she did not want to talk about it but not to talk about Kyron at all? So there were two incidences IMHO that she was acting odd after the disappearance of her stepson that are on record. Granted the WW reporter could have skewed things, but still... I'm not saying this means she did anything ... it is just a few things in a long list of events by her that continually has me scratching my head.

She also posted about how nice it was to be sleeping on clean sheets...

two days after Kyron was missing....

while searchers were neck deep in brambles looking for her step-son...

she posted about having clean sheets.

 

[germaine]

She also posted about how nice it was to be sleeping on clean sheets...

two days after Kyron was missing....

while searchers were neck deep in brambles looking for her step-son...

she posted about having clean sheets.

ty...I totally forgot about that one. It's all coming back to me now. I was like SHEETS??? SLEEPING???...are you kidding me!!

 

[carole]

ty...I totally forgot about that one. It's all coming back to me now. I was like SHEETS??? SLEEPING???...are you kidding me!!

Who could sleep when they have a missing child?!?!?!?!

 

[Calliope]

ty...I totally forgot about that one. It's all coming back to me now. I was like SHEETS??? SLEEPING???...are you kidding me!!

The context being that friends had come over, helped with housekeeping and such, changing the beds, etc.

At what point should the parents have been "allowed" to sleep? Sooner or later, you don't have a choice.

 

[MarieFaith]

The context being that friends had come over, helped with housekeeping and such, changing the beds, etc.

At what point should the parents have been "allowed" to sleep? Sooner or later, you don't have a choice.

In the immediate aftermath of Kyron's disappearance?

This isn't about when the parents should have been "allowed" to sleep. It's about where her consciousness was during this time.

I know people are all different, but under these circumstances, I can't even imagine being aware of eating, sleeping, etc. I don't think I would be doing either.

Given all the info about her emails, including the fact she didn't put Kyron's picture on her FB page until right before she took it down, I find her concerns to be very odd.

 

[wvjules]

Now sleeping is an issue? Just for TH or KH as well?

I am a sleeper. When my body wants to sleep there is really not much I can do about it. I've never had a missing child but I can imagine on day 2 my body/mind would just give out and I'd be sleepwalking. I NEED sleep to function.

TH - gym=bad
KH - gym=ok
TH - sleep=bad
KH - sleep =ok

If KH and TH do the same thing it is only wrong when TH does it, is that correct?

 

[Aedrys]

Now sleeping is an issue? Just for TH or KH as well?

I am a sleeper. When my body wants to sleep there is really not much I can do about it. I've never had a missing child but I can imagine on day 2 my body/mind would just give out and I'd be sleepwalking. I NEED sleep to function.

TH - gym=bad
KH - gym=ok
TH - sleep=bad
KH - sleep =ok

If KH and TH do the same thing it is only wrong when TH does it, is that correct?

I've never seen anything about KH talking about getting sleep, or at least it didn't happen at the same time TH talked about sleeping on clean sheets for all I know (I just found out about that today). So I'm not sure why that is an issue with them both, but for me, it's not that they did the same things, it's that TH, who was supposed to be Kyron's loving mother (note I said mother, not stepmother), who raised him from the time he was an infant, moved in with his father just to take care of Kyron (and this is from friends and family), seemed to have a large LACK of caring about him at all RIGHT AFTER he went missing. Maybe it's a double standard that women are supposed to care more than men, I don't know. But for someone who painted herself as a martyr mother for that boy in so many ways, there was a GLARING lack of concern for him being missing like it was no big deal. THAT, to me, is what is wrong. Her mind was more on material and inane things that her beloved stepchild being missing, and that just goes against the picture of herself in relation to Kyron that she painted for family and friends.

KH, I believe, went to the gym to be with Terri, not because he was jonesing for a workout - she was the one that a workout was important to. The assumption is that because he was there that means he felt the same way as her, and so far in this case, he has NOT felt the same as she has. Who knows, maybe he went with her to keep tabs on her or something. We know her motivations, but we don't know his and it's not fair to assume that his are the same as hers. We've seen over time that these are two very different people.

And I have felt KH's pain since day one. TH? I've never felt her pain because she hasn't shown any and instead has chosen to hide rather than speak or show in any way that she cares for or misses Kyron. And I'm sorry, but a quick text or email doesn't cut it for me, not after KH and DY have been all over TV with their emotions and begging for Kyron to be found.

Hell, if it were my stepdaughter who missing, and I love her very much, I'd be in a mental institution after a breakdown. I would not be thinking of clean sheets and workouts at the gym for crying out loud. NOTHING is more important than that missing child, except to TH, apparently. TH hasn't demonstrated ONCE that Kyron missing means ANYTHING to her. And that is so very ODD for someone who's so innocent and so loved that boy like she gave birth to him.

The gym is just one of things of many that just doesn't add up, and it doesn't make any sense to me. She should have been a mess, broken up and crying over Kyron being missing, and she was the total opposite, definitely not being a martyr mother that loved Kyron in my eyes. It's that lie, it's the fact that she lied to friends and family about who she really was that brings out in the anger in me. I'm just not convinced she every really loved or cared for Kyron, and she definitely betrayed him by tending to her needs first instead of worrying about him and where he was.