Terri H resembles "Sarah Heartburn"?

[Wrinkles]

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I also found it odd, that as the last person to have seen Kyron, one would think she would be beside herself with grief, worry, etc. that she would be the one needing supoort, not giving it, but she also seems to be very aware of the camera and how she wants to "appear". yuk. How DY got through that PC without (as Beth Holloway has put it) "peeling the skin off" TH's face is a hard lesson in restraint. She's a better woman than I!

Yes...very aware of the camera and appearances, not of the extreme gravity of the situation, not in pain but performing.

It was the gravity of the situation that kept Desiree from blowing the focus by very overtly recoiling from Terri. After that, I might have guessed her to say to Tony, "Don't let that woman near me again, don't let her touch me again."

 

[Bipolar Express]

I think what's always made me feel a little uneasy about Terri's body language was the glance upward at Desiree at 2:55 in the video Steadfast posted above.

Not sure why, but something about it has just never seemed "right" to me, even when I was initially defending Terri. Also, throughout the video, the little furtive glances to the side when her head is down are a little odd, too.

At the very least, she knows something...but I think it's more likely she knows everything.

Thats exactly the parts that freak me out too...dont know what they mean, they just dont seem quite normal. Very strange.

 

[BeanE]

YES! Good, you can see what we are all seeing. Terri has moved in on Desiree when Desiree has not invited it. D tries, very subtly to let Terri know she can be fine left alone, but Terri keeps pressing in...not good, and certainly not good when the focus is what is going on with the speakers, not the background.

In acting, this would be "upstaging" someone. The focus should be ON THE SPEAKER not on someone rubbing and tugging and fondling in the background.

BBM. Not sure who we are, but I don't see it.

 

[Wrinkles]

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What everyone sees as Terri being cloying, I see Terri grasping at any straw to stop the isolation and segregation of her from "this united family".

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Thanks for sharing Debs.

IMO IF she was grasping to keep from isolation, it seems that it would best have been done behind closed doors, not on camera. Maybe she is clumsy?

IMO, grasping at straws to stop isolation and segregation is not done on a stage, it is done in the warmth of closed doors, intimacy and honesty and often done with the help of counselors. This PC was not about "Terri's needs." WHAT we were forced to see, having our attentions repeatedly drawn from the focus of the speakers due to her actions, was "look at me."

If you saw her trying to grasp at straws...then you saw another angle of what I saw, "me me me" and not "We are grieved about Kyron."

 

[Wrinkles]

Sarah Bernhardt was not in the recent parking lot elevator video, however. That was some genuine anger being suppressed by some icy detached veins. IMO.

To her defense, the reporter was doing his best to get a reaction out of her.

AHA! AHA! yes... I was thinking about that... The reporter didn't get a clingy, hug and grope, "yes, we are all so sad, yes, here let me soothe you, yes I want answers to the questions, I want to know where Kyron is."

 

[Deleted member 718]

If I were in their position, I would need to medicated to the gills just to show up. It's hard for me to make a judgment call on any body language due to the overwhelming nature of the occasion. Both ladies appear wobbly in the knees.

 

[Wrinkles]

Oh BeanE,

Thanks to the link to this video:
http://www.kptv.com/video/23886770/index.html

YES... I see that hand holding. Seems Desiree refused her hand at first (maybe she wasn't just quite ready yet), Terri seemed to be willing to do with out it, but then Desiree offered her hand and they held one another's hands.

Very curious... I'll maintain that I see the same acting in Terri's face through that video, while I see Desiree's chest quaking, trembling, obviously stifling sobs -- I just didn't see that with Terri.

That conference was June 13th? Nine days after Kyron went missing when they were saying there would be no more searching? There would be a criminal investigation?

VERY interesting that Desiree actually offered her hand to Terri and received Terri's at that point AND I cannot be sure what that means. It seemed to be an honest approach to Terri.

Seems that by this date, Terri would have taken one LDT and walked out on the 2nd before being connected, not having approached the 3rd yet.

 

[debs]

AHA! AHA! yes... I was thinking about that... The reporter didn't get a clingy, hug and grope, "yes, we are all so sad, yes, here let me soothe you, yes I want answers to the questions, I want to know where Kyron is."

Why would the reporter get a hug from Terri? Why wouldn't Terri be upset that cameras were in her face? Just as I could understand Ron Cummings being upset that Geraldo came at him, so too can I be sympathetic to the gotcha moment this reporter attempted to capture.

Terri was isolated from her family. Terri has been accused by these same people of having been instrumental in making her step-son disappear. Terri has been accused of an incredible lot and her private affairs thrown out to the wolves to chomp on and make a connection to Kyron's disappearance.

I defy anyone to sustain a stoic manner and not show some offense when a reporter catches you unaware in a parking garage.

I do not confuse Terri and what she's enduring to what Kyron may have endured and might still be enduring. But I am not going to draw pleasure or glee when I see her suffering ignominious treatment. She was said to be cooperating by the same man who then came out and when it suited his storyline, said she was not. From that moment on, she has been vilified and accused of all manner of transgressions, and not the least of which was a MFH plot which cannot be proven (or she would be arrested now) and the disappearance (or death) of Kyron....all without proof.

It is to this I continually address my posts........there is no proof. Absence of proof is not proof of innocence. But it is enough to maintain the jurisprudence which rules this country: Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[gitana1]

That video has bugged me each time I've watched it. I bet a body language expert could give a really good explanation of the specifics about why it's so "off". I wonder if any have publicly weighed in on it.

The way she puts her head down and leans on DY and KH is really cloying (someone up-thread used that word, it's exactly right...) and feels so suffocating when DY clearly needs to stand stiffly, shaking, hand over stomach, and just get through the next 5 minutes. I imagine she was telling herself she could just completely lose it and weep once they walked off camera.

TMH just looked so much like a child who had been scolded and wants reassurance from mommy and daddy: head down, with almost a pouty, hang-dog don't-be-mad-at-me look. Wanting someone to reassure her, regardless of their own needs, despite the inappropriate environment for a long snuggly hug. Casting those looks from under her lowered eyes to see what the reaction was. That one point when she wiped her nose while looking up at DY as if she was checking to see if she was being observed being "sad". Creepy. You don't see shock and disbelief. Just a "sad face".

You have made a great observation here. The sidelong glance bothered me when I saw it as well as the constant clingyness of TH, how she must have her head on someone, either on their shoulder or the crook of their neck. But I did not think any of it too important when I was on the fence. Now that I'm off the fence, the body language takes on new meaning. Mostly, TH's pawing of Desiree and insistence on clinging to Kaine, it grosses me out. She grosses me out. I cannot imagine how they feel to know that the person who most likely took their son and now won't talk, was groping them all over. It sickens me.

 

[winterrose]

I think she looks like a stepmom who is standing between the parents and in front of the public who all think she's the one who killed a child.I hope LE is looking at more than Terri doing this,it appears she did or knows,from all we've heard.But,if she's not,someone took him and are skating,because the public will focus on it just being her and not anyone else.That is very dangerous for Kyron,since he's out there somewhere.

 

[Wrinkles]

Hiya Debs,

You wrote:
>>She was said to be cooperating by the same man who then came out and when it suited his storyline, said she was not.<<

I think the storyline changed and Kaine was forced to "hear it:"
* when Kaine was convinced by LE about a murder for hire plot
* when Kaine was obviously advised to get out of the house with the baby

Might add that something within Kaine's RO convinced the judge. The judge might have said, "Yeah right buddy, convenient isn't this?" I don't think the judge honored that RO and the custody thing lightly.

* after Terri reported in front of many people her problems with the 3rd lie detector
* after LE, most probably, informed Kaine and Desiree that Terri wasn't where she said she was on June 4th -- but this has to be deduced by Desiree saying, "I can tell you everything I ate that day, she can't tell you where she was."

I think Kaine wanted to believe Terri originally and I think he has even stated that in not so many words, but then...the storyline of what he must believe (due to certain truths being learned) was brought out and slapped him in the face.

I don't think any of this was about what suited Kaine. I think what suited Kaine was having Kyron being a little boy, doing school, Kaine going to work and coming home, Kaine going on vacation with his little boy...not having the entirety of his life blown up.

Edited: My guess would also be that Kaine enjoyed doing family time, spending time with Terri and the baby and so on...

 

[Wrinkles]

Oddly...

I do not have to sit on one side of the fence or the other to see what I am seeing in these videos.

 

[sorrell skye]

It would be interesting to know if behind closed doors before & after these two pressers whether or not TH was offering consolation/comfort to DY, or if the gestures seen on stage were the only time she did so.

If TH made attempts to do so out of the public eye, and then also did so during the pressers, it would be consistent behavior.

If she suddenly only did so in public, but had not done so elsewhere, that could be indicative of self-serving behavior (though no necessarily definitive), to me at least.

But of course, we have no way of knowing whether or not her behavior (offering comfort/consolation to DY) was consistent behind closed doors.

Without knowing how she interacted with DY in private, what I see on camera can only be a guess (educated or otherwise). Women in general tend to be more touch-feely, especially in times of crisis. IMO, if TH was not touch-feely to DY in private but then became so when the public's eyes were upon her, I would wonder why, since DY's grief was likely expressed more openly in private, thus the natural response to comfort her would arise.

I agree with the poster who said we need Dr. Paul Ekman. He'd have it figured out in no time. I've read some of his work, and enjoyed the TV show "Lie To Me" which was based on Dr. Ekman's research. I think all people have some natural skill at reading people. I think it's important to be aware of how we filter & interpret what we see through our own personal experiences (especially our preconceived ideas of what we expect to see). I also think that unless someone is a natural born "truth wizard" (they are very rare) or unless someone has undergone rigorous training to learn how to recognize the subtle universal micro-expressions, then our interpretations are prone to inaccuracies.

Dr. Ekman himself has stated that "You can see someone being deceptive. That doesn't mean you necessarily know the truth [what they are being deceptive about]."

 

[LandAuxvasse]

BBM. Not sure who we are, but I don't see it.

I'm not seeing it either... I also made my husband watch and asked him which character seemed out of place and he said TY because of his "lack of emotion". LOL :crazy:

I'm not convinced she's guilty of anything at all to do with Kyron's disappearance and I don't really see anything bizarre in her actions or reactions in these videos.

MOO :twocents:

 

[Kimster]

Thank you for your patience while we reviewed this thread. Everything is fine.

Carry on! :grouphug:

 

[Kimster]

TH's blinking has always seemed odd to me so I went searching for an explanation. I don't think I found an answer with this quote, though:



"Blinking is a neat natural process whereby the eyelids wipe the eyes clean, much as a windscreen wiper on a car.

Blink rate tends to increase when people are thinking more. This can be an indication of lying as the liar has to keep thinking about what they are saying. Realizing this, they may also force their eyes open and appear to stare.

Blinking can also indicate rapport, and people who are connected often blink at the same rate. Someone who is listening carefully to you is more likely to blink when you pause (keeping eyes open to watch everything you say).

Beyond natural random blinking, a single blink can signal surprise that the person does not quite believe what they see ('I'll wipe my eyes clean to better see').

Rapid blinking blocks vision and can be an arrogant signal, saying 'I am so important, I do not need to see you'.

Rapid blinking also flutters the eyelashes and can be a coy romantic invitation."

http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/parts_body_language/eyes_body_language.htm

 

[DairyGirl]

Oh BeanE,

Thanks to the link to this video:
http://www.kptv.com/video/23886770/index.html

YES... I see that hand holding. Seems Desiree refused her hand at first (maybe she wasn't just quite ready yet), Terri seemed to be willing to do with out it, but then Desiree offered her hand and they held one another's hands.

Very curious... I'll maintain that I see the same acting in Terri's face through that video, while I see Desiree's chest quaking, trembling, obviously stifling sobs -- I just didn't see that with Terri.

That conference was June 13th? Nine days after Kyron went missing when they were saying there would be no more searching? There would be a criminal investigation?

VERY interesting that Desiree actually offered her hand to Terri and received Terri's at that point AND I cannot be sure what that means. It seemed to be an honest approach to Terri.
Seems that by this date, Terri would have taken one LDT and walked out on the 2nd before being connected, not having approached the 3rd yet.

I remember watching that on the tv and thinking to myself that it looked staged, like LE had suggested the hand holding to look like a united group. Even then I felt that there were suspicions there that they didn't want to come out.

 

[TxLady2]

Thanks for sharing Debs.

IMO IF she was grasping to keep from isolation, it seems that it would best have been done behind closed doors, not on camera. Maybe she is clumsy?

IMO, grasping at straws to stop isolation and segregation is not done on a stage, it is done in the warmth of closed doors, intimacy and honesty and often done with the help of counselors. This PC was not about "Terri's needs." WHAT we were forced to see, having our attentions repeatedly drawn from the focus of the speakers due to her actions, was "look at me."

If you saw her trying to grasp at straws...then you saw another angle of what I saw, "me me me" and not "We are grieved about Kyron."

IMO, I think LE had already mentioned to all of them that they needed to present a united front on camera. And I think Terri had already started feeling isolated, but she didn't want the rest of the world to see that.
Whether she deserved this isolation or not is a matter of opinion, but I am sure she was trying to project some sort of unity, and it didn't work.
Sometimes LE is clueless about family dynamics.. they should have picked up on this tension between them and not insisted on this appearing all together. Maybe they were hoping it would be noticed so as to shed more bad light on their "suspect."

 

[ella971]

Don't know a thing about Sarah Heartburn. But as Wrinkles said above, I have been accused of being Sarah Burnhardt. I had to get to that post before I even know what Wrinkles was talking about.

So - I get it now!:dance:

If Terri had the acting skill of Sarah Burnhardt, they'd be looking elsewhere for the POI. ahhh...The Divine Sarah.

Of course, I believe that's the whole point of the nickname. So dramatic, she's obviously acting.


http://www.thejewishmuseum.org/site/pages/onlinex.php?id=122&live_stat=Bernhardt



side note: My mother used to call me Sarah Burnhardt whenever my behavior was over-sensitive and over-dramatic as little girl. And as a teen. :angel: LOL. Ahem. Of course, I'm not old enough to have been a fan of the original. Even thought it might seem that way. In fact, my grandmother referred to my mother as Sarah Bernhardt. (Maybe it was genetic.)

I wonder how many WS'ers have been thus labeled by their mothers? Hopefully, I am in good company!

My Mom would call me that as well!!

 

[Kimster]

IMO, I think LE had already mentioned to all of them that they needed to present a united front on camera. And I think Terri had already started feeling isolated, but she didn't want the rest of the world to see that.
Whether she deserved this isolation or not is a matter of opinion, but I am sure she was trying to project some sort of unity, and it didn't work.
Sometimes LE is clueless about family dynamics.. they should have picked up on this tension between them and not insisted on this appearing all together. Maybe they were hoping it would be noticed so as to shed more bad light on their "suspect."

Remember how in the beginning the family didn't appear at all and there was a lot of speculation about it? Maybe that's why they didn't come forward? But why would they insist on appearing together anyway? Probably the topic of another thread. Might be a good one? If someone thinks it would, then please start a new one so I don't derail here and have to scold myself. :innocent: