Terri obtained new cell phones from friends to avoid investigator's scrutiny

[ami]

yes. A person who is being accused with no proof, whose private utterances were laid out for the whole world to see. As of this moment, there is no proof that Terri is involved, no matter all the speculation and probability. To have her rights trampled on, nee insist that she should have no rights, is a dangerous dangerous slope to slide down.

I should hope it never happens to any citizen of these United States that LE follows the insistence of the masses to violate a person's rights to get the job done.

First you're making the assumption there is no proof. We don't have lists of it in front of us, but that doesn't make it absent from the investigation. LE has said that they will not share details like that, so why make the assumption that there's none?

Also when you're the subject of a criminal investigation, you get investigated. I don't insist Terri should have 'no rights', I think that she should have all the rights we grant people involved in criminal investigations. If her right to privacy has been violated by LE, I hope she exercises her right to sue. I haven't read anything yet about Terri believing her rights are being violated, but maybe that will come.

 

[debs]

debs,
respectfully, those "excited utterances" of tmh... are you referring to the sexts? if so, they were in direct relation to violation of a restraining order that a judge signed against her.
1) basis of RO Kaine states wife trying to kill him
2) RO granted by a judge
3) TMH violates restraining order by showing it to MC and allowing him to take pictures of it. Furthermore the sexts, which the lawyer stated was told to Her by LE were similar to the texts that she sent to the landscaper who tried to kill Kaine...

Right there is your tie in and why the sexts to MC are included in violation of the restraining order which was granted.

What rights are being violated of Terri Horman? I don't get it? No one said she couldn't buy her own phone in her name. According to the article that wasn't the issue to begin with

What the article said was that investigators were interested in her friends when they purchased cell phones for her.

They are allowed to be interested! I expect them to be interested... and it seems that it is leading them somewhere because they have enough of a case to try it on for size in front of a Grand Jury. (whether that be mfh or Kyron's vanishing)

moo

....and seems to be a solid reason for Terri to get her own phone. Being interested in her friends getting her a phone is one thing; having just cause to access the phone records, another.

 

[ami]

Until there is proof that Terri committed a crime against Kyron, yes. That is her main concern, as it should be for anyone who hasn't been charged with a crime.

You mean her main legal concern? Or her main subject of interest?

 

[debs]

First you're making the assumption there is no proof. We don't have lists of it in front of us, but that doesn't make it absent from the investigation. LE has said that they will not share details like that, so why make the assumption that there's none?

Also when you're the subject of a criminal investigation, you get investigated. I don't insist Terri should have 'no rights', I think that she should have all the rights we grant people involved in criminal investigations. If her right to privacy has been violated by LE, I hope she exercises her right to sue. I haven't read anything yet about Terri believing her rights are being violated, but maybe that will come.

Keeping their proof to themselves is not enough to violate someone's rights. They must SHOW proof.

 

[Etilema]

I'm sorry but the part about "so she could avoid investigator's scrutiny" is an opinion.

IMO, it is more logical to believe that either KH notified their cell company that he would no longer pay for her phone or her attorney advised her to get a new phone so KH could not access her texts/calls. Either way, TH with no income of her own could get be added to someone else's plan for a lot less than her own plan.

I have very poor reception at my house so I hardly use my cell except for occasional text messages from my niece. Instead of paying $50 a month for a few text messages, my neice added me to her plan for $10 a month.

Presumably this phone is not part of a monthly plan, but is a prepaid, which doesn't require any personal info at all to buy and set up. They are extremely cheap to purchase, usually coming with enough initial minutes to cover the cost of the phone, itself.

If she really *did* want to use the phone for some kind of affair, the guy could have been the one to buy it or pay for it.

And perhaps the "to avoid scrutiny" bit was the explanation by TH's friend(s) about why they did it.

Just speculating.

 

[nursebeeme]

BBM. That's not a fact. The reporter doesn't even bother saying where the info came from.

It is reported in the msm... and as such I thought we were allowed to discuss it. It is a quote from that article and imhoo I believe the reporting. That is my opinion.

Nothing is fact in this case other than Kyron is missing, Terri was the last to see him, she has a restraining order against her, she violated it, and three people have testified at some sort of grand jury 1) DDS her friend 2) KH her soon to be ex husband who filed the ro and divorce papers, and 3) her soon to be ex's ex wife

 

[debs]

You mean her main legal concern? Or her main subject of interest?

If a person does not themselves defend their rights, people will be more than willing to trample right over them to get what they want.

 

[BeanE]

I guess from the same "reliable source" or "unnamed sources" other news outlets use?

The article doesn't even say either of those. Just throws it out there. It's getting ridiculous.

 

[BeanE]

but....
why would friends get it, why wouldn't she get them?

Lack of $$$?

 

[LadyL]

oh for the love of all that is good

Just arrest her already - this is getting beyond ridiculous now

 

[goatman]

Just read through the entire thread...and probably missed something...so if this doesn't make sense please let me know.

I'm sorry but the part about "so she could avoid investigator's scrutiny" is an opinion.

RBBM

That makes sense, except if you're the focus of a missing child investigation you'd think she (or her attorney) would have current contact information on file with LE. I'm willing to believe this was 'innocent'.... but it makes sense to me that LE would look upon new phones purchased by another party and given to Terri as suspicious.

Was her cell bugged or otherwise tracked, and if so would LE suggest to Kaine that her cell remain active during the investigation?

Right, but having your contact info on file and allowing LE to 'monitor' you w/out your consent/a warrant (which they wouldn't need if KH was the 'owner' and he gave consent) is two different things.

What is it she doesn't want LE scrutinizing? Is she in contact with whomever has Kyron?

Maybe, for her it isn't about Kyron, but how things she has said through Kyron searches has been used in the divorce (electronic communication-this is how much she paid her lawyer stuff).

There is also the fact that TH is a party to a contentious divorce case. One of the first things divorce attorneys tell clients is to get new phones, internet acocunts, etc. The main account holder can access other accounts. The context of texts/emails are open for interpretation. Texts even more so because they tend to be more of a shorthand.

IMO, while the divorce case and Kyron's case are two separate cases, they have been commingled publically. TH's actions in protecting her interests in the divorce case may be seen by some to be suspicious in Kyron's case. A new cell phone is one way for TH to protect her interests in the divorce case. Especially with the divorce case being used to publically put pressure on her.

Completely agree, especially due to the fact that we have seen how stuff LE has told KH has been used in the divorce case.

She's not just a suspect/POI, she's the suspect/POI. The majority of the public thinks she is, her family (Kaine, Desiree, Tony and her dad) thinks she is, LE is obviously leaning that way even if they won't come out and say it, and I guarantee you that Terri feels like she is the main suspect.

Which would give her good incentive to have a burn phone. If she is guilty, then I would expect her to do everything in her power to not get caught. I won't like it, and I might hate her for doing it. But I think that IF she is guilty it speaks to her intelligence that she did get a second phone.


I had a feeling that KH using things found in the Kyron investigation against TH in the divorce would come back and bite us. :croc:. In my opinion it has, by using things found in electronic communications TH and her lawyer have been given a reasonable excuse for why she would want a different phone. From their side I can imagine hearing something like "TH wants to do everything in her power to find Kyron...KH owns her original phone and phone number and can choose to have that on if he and LE believe that whoever really took Kyron will be calling. However, because KH and his representation has used information found in the electronic communications as apart of the search for Kyron against my client in the divorce case. She had no other option but to get a second phone...yada, yada, yada" Would that suck? Yes, do I see it coming? Yep.

 

[ami]

Keeping their proof to themselves is not enough to violate someone's rights. They must SHOW proof.

To whom?

How do you know they have not?

 

[BOZGAL]

My feelings are this on the subject IF the sources are correct.

I could understand her attorney possibly supplying her with a throw away phone for their conversations. But personally I could see just as well that they would not communicate by phone or by any other electronic means. I tend to lean to the latter.

IF it proves to be correct that a friend supplied her with phone(s) it just adds to the ominous thoughts I hold on this case.


jmho

 

[evelyn24]

Just another action by Terri that makes her look guilty as sin (which I am 100% convinced that she is). If she had nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance, then why in the heck did she need a cell phone to avoid investigator's scrutiny? I'm anxious to see how all of the Terri supporters can justify this. JMO.

Agreed. This friend makes me ill. Do they not know a little boy, a child, is at the heart of all this? They just don't give a @(*# about that fact??
Really?

Disgusting.

 

[nursebeeme]

....and seems to be a solid reason for Terri to get her own phone. Being interested in her friends getting her a phone is one thing; having just cause to access the phone records, another.

are you trying to say that LE didn't have probable cause to search her phone records???? Do you think they (LE) are not doing their jobs correctly?

 

[Charlie09]

One of the first things a woman should do in the midst of a divorce is get a phone in her name that the husband doesn't have the legal right to access. I can only assume Kaine would have granted LE permission to access the phone and records, and since we know more about what Terri discussed with MC than anyone wanted to know, getting her own phone seems smart. Keeping it out of the "marital financial hassle" is also smart.

This isn't just about a missing child anymore. This is now also about someone's rights. No one has to like that Terri is protected under law while a child is missing. But there is currently no proof that she had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance and any invasion of her privacy because it's legal to do it when her husband says they can invade her life is something her lawyer would work rapidly to close up. The law must show cause to invade a person's life.

Without going too political....I seem to recall cell phone records really aren't private anymore.
Could be subject to interpretation but the Patriot Act made records much more accessible.

http://www.privacyalerts.org/phone-records.html Someone smarter than me would need to figure out all the ins and outs with this and how LE may be able to get ALL the records.

 

[Dee10]

Is her parents (or whoever she is staying with now) phone out of order? Maybe she shouldn't have gotten (probably) the most expensive lawyer in town. We all make choices I guess.

 

[debs]

are you trying to say that LE didn't have probable cause to search her phone records???? Do you think they (LE) are not doing their jobs correctly?

I said nothing of the sort. Terri has rights and LE must follow rules in order to gather anything from Terri which they wish to use to implicate her. Once again, it is about her rights. It isn't about whether I think she did it or not. It's about what rights she has and what rules LE must follow.

That is all.

 

[Billylee]

I think it would be interesting to know just "when" this phone was purchased and given to Terri.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

You'd be willing to allow anyone to listen to your private phone conversations? Read your texts? Know your whereabouts at any given time? Listen in on a speaker to what you're doing at any given time?

I would. If this were me and I were innocent, my whereabouts would be out searching for Kyron and meeting with LE. My calls and texts would consist of aiding in the search, calling people to find out if there's any new info and having convo's with my friends about how stressful it is being suspected of such a horrible thing. I'd be crying about missing my step son and having my family ripped apart. I'd be calling LE begging them to keep me in the station until they can get what they need to clear me.

I just can't imagine what she needs to do or say right now that should be so secretive. This is about Kyron, not her.