Terri obtained new cell phones from friends to avoid investigator's scrutiny

[socalgal2]

Snipped and Bolded by lil ol me

Oh for goodness' sake! If you're an innocent woman thrust into the midst of a "witch hunt" through no fault of your own, the LAST thing you'd do is put on a pointy black and start riding around on a broom.

I just want to say thanks. I needed that today!:blowkiss::Banane10:

 

[Patty G]

As far as I'm concerned, a gag order should be issued.

I vote "gag the media".

 

[PoppyH]

Thanks Poppy, I had read that before but as I was saying, that it's pretty unlikely that she got her hands on that kind of money and as you've listed it above, and I in my post, without the comma the same number of zeroes are there. If a period is added before the last two zeroes, it becomes $3500.00 and in a text I would think it'd be easy to leave out the period. We do not know if she put a comma in there, do we, no one has seen the text?

No, we haven't seen the text, nor any amount, could be anywhere from 350.00 to 350,000, guess it depends on who you hear the story from LOL

 

[Etilema]

No, we haven't seen the text, nor any amount, could be anywhere from 350.00 to 350,000, guess it depends on who you hear the story from LOL

The court documents alleged that TH wrote to a third party the amount of $350,000. So we know that amount from that source, anyway, whether or not TH actually did write a note or text like that at some point.

 

[Calliope]

Do you have the link to that video? I saw a video about cell phone spyware done by a news station - and they made it clear that you needed access to the phone that was going to be spied upon. They also said you needed at least 5-10 minutes with the phone to download the software onto it. It was KSL TV. YouTube video uQmVi0sduqI

Maybe so. The station started with a W... I'll have to search for it.

I looked online and saw stuff about hacking into cells, so I don't doubt it's possible. You may be right about the spyware. I guess I could buy it for $15 and try it out on my daughter's phone lol

 

[JSR]

Oh for goodness' sake! If you're an innocent woman thrust into the midst of a "witch hunt" through no fault of your own, the LAST thing you'd do is put on a pointy black and start riding around on a broom.

Does she not know how serious this is? Her step-son's life is either over or in danger, she's possibly facing abduction, murder and/or murder for hire charges and she's using secret phones to foil investigators? I'm so angry at her! If she's innocent, she's now causing resources to be diverted to search these extra phones and her friends who provided them to her, her friends are now part of a possible abduction/murder/mfh investigation - resources that could be devoted to searching for Kyron. If she's guilty she's completely stupid to think she could use the strategies most commonly employed by cheating spouses and drug dealers to foil a multi-department child-abduction investigation! Insane.

This is my EXACT thought. Regardless of her motives, if the reports are true, and she is innocent it's a selfish thing to do. By getting these "bat" phones it's diverting resources that SHOULD be used to help find Kyron. Clearly Kryon is not a priority for her. Not even on her top 10 priorities.

 

[ami]

The court documents alleged that TH wrote to a third party the amount of $350,000. So we know that amount from that source, anyway, whether or not TH actually did write a note or text like that at some point.

I'm wondering if Kaine didn't announce this to force her to either say she did pay this amount to her attorney OR to admit she lied about the money. In the first case she'd potentially look like a total jerk for buying such a high-price atty when the reward for Kyron info was sitting at a mere $25K, and in the latter case this would be "yet another" Terri lie in the chain of alleged lies my imaginary prosecutor would be roasting her slowly over during a future imaginary case.

 

[cluciano63]

I've read all through this thread and am pretty convinced that the article is reporting "old news" i.e. that this discovery led to the searches of the 3 or more friends' homes. This is only news to us, not to LE, in other words (about the existence of the phones.)

I do not consider myself a "Terri supporter" but have said all along I wanted evidence that points to June 4th-and still have only seen things that make Terri seem like a selfish, twisted mess of a woman, but nothing that points to the morning of June 4th in that school.

This type of story will keep the pot stirred against her and continue to taint any possible jury in the state of Oregon, in my opinion. I don't know if gag orders can be issued when no charges have even been filed? And we would hate it if there was nothing at all coming out...but I'm not sure this type of information being out there helps the prosecution in the long run. Is there any real evidence of LE investigating anyone other than Terri during the past 6-7 weeks?

I guess I just hope that all of this negative info coming up does not make it impossible for a jury to be eventually seated or worse, result in a mistrial no matter if Terri is guilty or not. From what I have seen and read about Oregon, residents there are big on personal rights and privacy and might hold things against the prosecution if they feel they were party to a campaign against, whether it is true or not.

I guess I'm just not sure that Terri obtaining another phone or phones is proof of guilt...

 

[grandmaj]

I'm wondering if Kaine didn't announce this to force her to either say she did pay this amount to her attorney OR to admit she lied about the money. In the first case she'd potentially look like a total jerk for buying such a high-price atty when the reward for Kyron info was sitting at a mere $25K, and in the latter case this would be "yet another" Terri lie in the chain of alleged lies my imaginary prosecutor would be roasting her slowly over during a future imaginary case.

And, it could be a way to show a pattern of something else. Who did she communicate this to? And what else might she have been communicating with this person about?

 

[Kat010]

I vote "gag the media".

Actually, I say "bring in some ethical editors to sit down on the so-called journalists who are basically doing celebrity-style gossip." My best old editor would have fired some of these idjits.

But if you gag the media--then you've gagged KH & DY.

And exactly how do you write the gag order? That would be very complicated. Can anyone other than the LE/attorneys/those sworn in to testify to GJ or during a trial be "gagged?" How about crossing the "prior restraint" guidelines? How about the First Amendment rights of citizens to chat up reporters?

Complex stuff.

For all those who don't understand why those debating privacy feel it's important, let me share that I share your feelings about finding whoever did this, find out what was done, and do it in such a way that there is no room for "reasonable doubt" once it goes into a courtroom. However, consider this--OK, my friends aren't trainable (response to a post that said friends thinking clearly--or close thereof--wouldn't call with personal stuff during a time like this). They're gonna do what they're gonna do.

And secondly--suppose the investigation goes on for say, 8 weeks? Or 9 weeks? Or, Gawd forbid, 9 months? For how long does everyone who is connected to anyone who is of any interest in this case have to give up their right to privacy.

As far as I'm concerned, they can get the legal court-approved right to monitor/track anyone involved in this case, and that includes all family members, all friends, etc. Note I said "court-approved." There is a legal responsibility to do so.

But tossing everyone's right to privacy down that loooong, slipperly slope is something that creates an avalanche. So it's OK to throw away our constitutional rights in this case?

But what about the one where "she's a mother of three?" "He's a father of four?" "She's a grandmother." Other victims of crime are important, too, and leave others in torment and anguish. If everyone connected in some way to a crime loses their right to privacy, I suspect "privacy" would become a vanishing thing.

As far as what everyone would do if they were in TH's situation, well, none of us are her. And frankly, if she's guilty, she gets a bat phone. If she's innocent and wants privacy--to talk to her attorney or her friends/family--she gets a bat phone. Yes, people will interpret that action how they will. And they will judge the friends who got the phone(s) for her.

But it's her right to do so.

Emotionally, I find it very hinky that friends got her bat phones. However, intellectually and in terms of evidence tendered so far, I find it a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

I'm so tired of this fence. But I'll never be tired of supporting the constitutional rights that make this nation one of the best, and freest, if not the best, ever created. Yea, I get all sentimental about stuff like that.

And I've raged before about "criminals' rights" like everyone else. But in this case, to this point, all I see is LE that's been focused on one person since the get-go, a divorce and child custody issue that's used information from LE, allegations, suspicions, innuendoes, sex, lies and everything but videotape.

And total illogic in many cases. DY says TH has always been a liar. Then she and KH say Terri said this or that (the $ for the lawyer, or her railing about the polygraphs, etc. etc.) So if she's a liar, why were things said by her brought forward to support their belief that she did it? And I'm not attacking them, not at all, but there's so much personal stuff and contradictory stuff being played out in the media that it's mind boggling.

The onus is on LE to find and present enough evidence to make an arrest. That's the bottom line.

 

[JSR]

It would have been a lot less suspicious had her parents helped her or her attorney.

I agree. But I doubt her parents or her lawyer would agree that this would be a wise move to make.

 

[Barry]

I agree that it is a way of showing a pattern, and raising the question of whom she might be talking to. What I'm having trouble wrapping my head around, is why to us through the media? There seems to be a lot of effort being expended here to convince the public that TH is guilty. She very well could be. But what's going to matter in the end is not the public, but a jury, one which is going to be increasingly harder to seat.

As for keeping the case in the public eye, I'm all for that. But the current method could be deterimental even to that. I have been getting concerned that if TH is innocent, that if someone remembered seeing something relevent to the case, they may just decide not to say anything since it doesn't fit the facts of TH being guilty.

This is all IMHO. There's a good chance that TH is guilty. Once she's been tried and convicted by a jury of her peers, I would then not shed one tear when the needle goes in her arm. I would hate to see some of the stuff going on now jeopardize justice in this case if she's guilty.

 

[SmoothOperator]

It would be interesting if, after the publication of the sexting incident, her attorney told her to get throwaway phones.

This to me is the most plausible.. Tho am not sure it would be suggested by her atty, but who knows? Alls I know is that it is so very disheartening to know that instead of cooperating she is out there playing coy with cat and mouse games with these investigators.. Of course they are going to find out that she has a new phone. she is being watched 24/7 so when its seen on several occasions that shes talking on a cell phone, they are going to investigate to find out where the phone came from, whose name its listed under, etc... Wasted time that shouldve been spent on Kyron...

I'm at the peak of disgust esp after reading her support page on FB..:loser:

I want to make her understand this is not a game!!

 

[Ladybulldog]

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluesnarfing[/ame]

Not only can a phone be taken over remotely, the phones can be reprogrammed, remotely, to look like they are still off. So yes, with proper access one could take pictures from another phone, place pics in the phone, alter anything stored in the phone, and turn the phone into a live mic. Oh and use it as a tracking device. Highly concerned/paranoid people take the batteries out of their phones whenever they don't want to be monitored. And of course the Gov't solves the problem by simply not allowing people to bring phones in to classified areas.
Remember, phones are powerful computers with their own built-in radios. And the phone companies designed them (OK, had them designed) for the company's benefit, not the privacy of the user.

I asked my son a few weeks ago if a phone could be hacked. He showed me an App on his phone that he downloaded called Super Bluetooth Hack and he had complete control of my phone. I was alarmed to say the least. There are a lot of Apps on the world wide internet that can and do hack and impede your privacy. YIKES

 

[Adrienne37]

I think it goes without saying that all of us here are Kyron supporters - at least I can vouch for that being the reason why I've been following this case for the past 8+ weeks.

The *Terri supporter* phrase was mentioned in post #3 of this thread. I'm not sure if it was directed @ anyone or any group in particular, but IMO it has the potential of being interpreted as a veiled insult toward those who are sitting on the fence awaiting more information or who insist on substantiated info.

I'm curious as to the source of this cell phone info. As others have pointed out, the article doesn't mention any source at all - not even the pet "reliable source". An oversight on the part of the journalist or the editor? Maybe. Or maybe they've just decided they can't be bothered with even a half-hearted attempt @ sourcing their information. Perhaps a few letters to the editor are in order?

If this info is true, who leaked it to the media - and why?

My concern is that there seems to be an extraordinary amount of info being leaked to the press that is primarily painting a picture of TH being guilty before she's been formally charged. Obstruction of justice allegations have been tossed out there. IMO, it goes both ways - the continuous leaking of info (whether accurate or not) by all these anonymous sources is dangerous in terms of justice, regardless of whomever is eventually charged.

If LE chooses to not release info to protect the integrity of the investigation (which also means protecting the success of any potential prosecution) then IMO the release of this kind of info (again whether accurate or not) needs to be reined in.

I'm a Kyron supporter. I'm a truth supporter. I'm a justice supporter.

I want the person responsible for Kyron's disappearance to be brought to trial & successfully prosecuted & convicted - whomever that is. If that person is Terri, so be it. If that person is someone else, so be it. It would be a travesty of justice if a successful investigation & prosecution was hindered or otherwise undermined due to the constant leaking of *info*. IMO, that would be obstruction of justice.

As far as I'm concerned, a gag order should be issued.

I'd like to take a moment to address your post as I was the one that originally posted about the Terri supporters. My post was not intended or directed to anyone person whether it be here or the support Terri facebook page, etc., etc., etc. I did not direct my post at anyone in particular. It is my right to have an opinion regarding Terri's actions just as it is for those who believe Terri to be a victim herself. The purpose of my post was simply to state that those who are supporting Terri continually are trying to turn every single bit of information that is coming out in the media as an excuse to say "poor Terri." Her rights have been violated, her privacy has been violated, this has been violated, that has been violated, etc. This case is about KYRON HORMAN and the fact that he has been missing since 6/4/2010 and the last known person to see him was TERRI HORMAN who is, at the very least, a person that has provided less than truthful information regarding his disappearance and as evidenced by law enforcement's own questionnaire that was distributed to parents, teachers, and staff of Skyline Elementary School. Again, Terri has no one to blame but herself for being thrust into the spotlight by her own actions that began 6/4/2010. Her rights mean little to me right now because I fully believe that she is guilty of what has happened to Kyron. Her actions have not only effected Kyron's life but his father, mother, sister, stepfather, and stepbrothers.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Thinking about this now,it is more understandable why DS was using code words,like the Red Robin in such and such a town is hot,no ac and things like that.If they went to the point of getting her a new cellphone,they were finding ways of contacting her online,IMO.So,if she is involved and any of them know it,I hope they're brought up on obstruction charges.

Wiki..
Modern obstruction of justice, in United States jurisdictions, refers to the crime of offering interference of any sort to the work of police, investigators, regulatory agencies, prosecutors, or other (usually government) officials. Often, no actual investigation or substantiated suspicion of a specific incident need exist to support a charge of obstruction of justice. Common law jurisdictions other than the United States tend to use the wider offense of Perverting the course of justice.

Generally, obstruction charges are laid when it is discovered that a person questioned in an investigation, who is not a suspect, has lied to the investigating officers. However, in most common law jurisdictions, the right to remain silent allows any person questioned by police merely to refuse to answer questions posed by an investigator without giving any reason for doing so. (In such a case, the investigators may subpoena the witness to give testimony under oath in court) It is not relevant if the person lied to protect a suspect (such as setting up a false alibi, even if the suspect is in fact innocent) or to hide from an investigation of their own activities (such as to hide his involvement in another crime). Obstruction charges can also be laid if a person alters or destroys physical evidence, even if he was under no compulsion at any time to produce such evidence.

above bbm. this is for anyone that knows. will someone tell me where they found the info about dd and such things as "red robin has no a/c and the heat is on".? Am not questioning whether its true at all, but would like to see and read all this and the codes possibly being used??...TIA...


ETA~ I found it, so need for anyone to further respond.. Thanks..

 

[JSR]

When her phone was on Kaine's phone bill, it was his phone to offer to LE. They can focus all they want. They'll have to show cause to get the records. That is all.

Which clearly if they can seat a grand jury to hear evidence they have been able to obtain all search warrants LE wanted. I think at this juncture it's inappropriate to assume that Terri's "civil liberties" have been violated. Obviously every record LE has in their possession was obtained via a search warrant.

 

[Kat010]

I'd like to take a moment to address your post as I was the one that originally posted about the Terri supporters. My post was not intended or directed to anyone person whether it be here or the support Terri facebook page, etc., etc., etc. I did not direct my post at anyone in particular. It is my right to have an opinion regarding Terri's actions just as it is for those who believe Terri to be a victim herself. The purpose of my post was simply to state that those who are supporting Terri continually are trying to turn every single bit of information that is coming out in the media as an excuse to say "poor Terri." Her rights have been violated, her privacy has been violated, this has been violated, that has been violated, etc. This case is about KYRON HORMAN and the fact that he has been missing since 6/4/2010 and the last known person to see him was TERRI HORMAN who is, at the very least, a person that has provided less than truthful information regarding his disappearance and as evidenced by law enforcement's own questionnaire that was distributed to parents, teachers, and staff of Skyline Elementary School. Again, Terri has no one to blame but herself for being thrust into the spotlight by her own actions that began 6/4/2010. Her rights mean little to me right now because I fully believe that she is guilty of what has happened to Kyron. Her actions have not only effected Kyron's life but his father, mother, sister, stepfather, and stepbrothers.

But could we make it clear that advocating the continued use of our constitutional rights--which also ensue building a tighter, stronger case--does not equal being a "Terri supporter" or saying "poor Terri"? Because I don't believe those are equivalent things for many.

As for someone's rights not meaning much, don't start me on Drew Peterson, who I wrote about a lot right after Stacy went missing. If I could get in a car and drive hundreds of miles to smack someone around, I'd start with him and work my way through his lawyers, the former police chief who failed to supervise him, any cops who looked the other way while he swaggered and bullied, and the DA who refused to listen to Kathleen Savio's cries for help. There's an entire web of people I'd cheerfully spend the day smacking around.

However, I am very glad that current LE took their time--even though it drove me crazy, and also that the DA found a different way to arrest him on that weapons violation, which kept forcing issues and putting pressure on people. I'm also very glad that Dr. Baden did his autopsy of KS as well, and that the legal system finally decided to put its big people panties on and let KS testify in death to what she was ignored about in life.

I want justice based on constitutional rights and prudence vs. emotion, which is hard to do.

And I believe that DP has his constitutional rights. And I also believe that they were observed, but they finally arrested him for KS's death, and now he's sitting in jail, where he should be. If LE can build a strong enough case against TH or anyone else (but have they truly considered anyone else?), they will be able to put her in jail *and* observe her rights.

Whew. Now that I've said all that, and carried on about DP having his rights and I'm so glad they've been exercised, who will chip in for gas $ for me to drive up there and smack him around, regardless of his rights? (Just kidding. Really.)

 

[Charlie09]

I think I should steer clear of committing crimes, cell phone or not. But as an innocent person, just because a crime was committed doesn't mean I should give up my privacy. As an innocent person, why should I have to? I would have had nothing at all to do with the crime and my private info would be meaningless.

I would fully cooperate with LE at the beginning, but I would not cooperate with being a target if LE suddenly got tunnel vision for some reason. Remember, after my full cooperation, it is not my responsibility to lead the investigation in a fruitful direction -- nor would I be permitted to do so. If LE gets tunnel vision erroneously, they have the responsibility and the ability to turn that around. It is LE's mismanagement of the case that is the problem, not me.

If I were a guilty person, I would not want to give LE any leads that would enable them to discover that. I don't think any criminal would. For that reason, I would expect criminals to work their butts off to obstruct justice, since the Justice would work against them.

I think we have a mistaken view of what is private these days, that's my point. If you talk on a cell phone expect it to be interceptable - I believe the same is for phones these days. See my earlier post about the patriot act - we simply don't have an expectation to privacy with phones and computer communications any longer.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Sorry that I haven't been able to read the entire thread because some pages seem incapable of loading on my computer - keep getting a server error - maybe just so many people reading them!

But I've seen lots of posts saying that these phones are legitimate because her attorney Might (Rumor Alert!!!) have asked her friends to help get these phones so TH would have privacy, and my reply to that is . . . Horse Hockey!

If he did that, then he is a bad defense attorney, period.

Why the heck would a good attorney want to drag her "friends" (plural) into a possible criminal investigation and make it seem as if his client was being even more evasive in her dealings with the family and LE?

Yes she is entitled to privacy and attorney-client privilege. If the attorney had bought these "phones" (plural) for her, then it might make some kind of sense to me. Why couldn't she just borrow a phone from her parents or something?

But now to a Grand Jury this will just look like a conspiracy, and I'm beginning to think that's what it is. Maybe one or more of these women know alot of secrets and have some of their own, or they wouldn't be so eager to keep talking to Terri, DeDe, etc. they would distance themselves, which they aren't doing. JMO

But no wonder her friends have been served warrants! Duh!

And I keep wondering if these are the same friends who stood up for DeDe yesterday on CBS?