Terri obtained new cell phones from friends to avoid investigator's scrutiny

[palladore]

I'm sure Houze is overjoyed with this news. Wonder if she told him?

We don't know when said friend provided the new phone. It is only being reported now, but could well have taken place soon after LE started looking at TH's phone records - and before Houze became her lawyer.

 

[sorrell skye]

I'd like to take a moment to address your post as I was the one that originally posted about the Terri supporters. My post was not intended or directed to anyone person whether it be here or the support Terri facebook page, etc., etc., etc. I did not direct my post at anyone in particular. It is my right to have an opinion regarding Terri's actions just as it is for those who believe Terri to be a victim herself. The purpose of my post was simply to state that those who are supporting Terri continually are trying to turn every single bit of information that is coming out in the media as an excuse to say "poor Terri." Her rights have been violated, her privacy has been violated, this has been violated, that has been violated, etc. This case is about KYRON HORMAN and the fact that he has been missing since 6/4/2010 and the last known person to see him was TERRI HORMAN who is, at the very least, a person that has provided less than truthful information regarding his disappearance and as evidenced by law enforcement's own questionnaire that was distributed to parents, teachers, and staff of Skyline Elementary School. Again, Terri has no one to blame but herself for being thrust into the spotlight by her own actions that began 6/4/2010. Her rights mean little to me right now because I fully believe that she is guilty of what has happened to Kyron. Her actions have not only effected Kyron's life but his father, mother, sister, stepfather, and stepbrothers.

TY for responding to explain the innuendo about "Terri supporters".

Everyone perceives information & forms an opinion based on many factors - including life experience, knowledge, wisdom, *intuition*, and yes - even the stubborn willingness to explore other possibilities, etc. (as annoying as it may be to some who are able to come to a conclusion more quickly than others).

When expressing an opinion, it is my belief that it's counter-productive to dismiss those who desire verified information or more objective evidence. We are all capable of coming to our own conclusions in our own time - even those whose thoughts & opinions break with false consensus. IMO, there's nothing wrong with a little more fact and a little less doubt.

I agree 100% that this is about Kyron & justice for Kyron.

As in the words of Robert Frost:

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

IMO, those who take the road less traveled, & who choose to look @ the *info* objectively & who take the risk of expressing opinions based on a cautious stance (however unpopular it may be) have opinions that are just as valid as any other opinion & are just as worthy of being heard, and do not deserve to be labeled one way or another (irregardless of the intention or lack of intention of labeling).

ETA: When someone's rights mean "little" (based upon an opinion) then who determines whose rights mean anything, and under what circumstances are those rights upheld? Upon what scale are rights then measured?

 

[Wings Of Light]

IMO, Houze would not continue to represent her. His ability to defend her would be severly hampered by such a confession. Because while attorneys cannot violate the privilege, they also cannot suborn perjury.

This is a myth.

Attorney's not testify in court, and therefore cannot be perjured.

If you don't tell your attorney what happened, they can't defend you and it's very likely they'll be blindsided in the courtroom. They want to know everything that happened so they are prepared for it.

And on a logical front. If you did commit the crime, where would you begin lying to your attorney about the series of events? Or would you just refuse to talk about it? (Rhetorical)

 

[Charlie09]

Or her attorney advised her that they were most likely to be bugging her, since she didn't get an attorney until after Kaine had left the house, when it would appear she was engaged in sexting with MC, and well, we all know about that now, don't we.

I don't know that "bugging" is what is going on as much as verifying other numbers, where the phone was at any given time, etc.

 

[Tuffy]

This is a myth.

Attorney's not testify in court, and therefore cannot be perjured.

If you don't tell your attorney what happened, they can't defend you and it's very likely they'll be blindsided in the courtroom. They want to know everything that happened so they are prepared for it.

And on a logical front. If you did commit the crime, where would you begin lying to your attorney about the series of events? Or would you just refuse to talk about it? (Rhetorical)

Wings of Light, I think you're mistaken. Attorneys can be guilty of suborning perjury. Subornation of perjury is persuading a person to commit perjury, or allowing someone to lie on the stand.

Usually an attorney does not want their client to confess to them.

 

[1Chump]

The possibility is there, the potential to do it existed, and so now all we're weighing is the likelihood, and probability.

Just saying.

You do not need to "hack" anything. I was thinking more in terms of a friend visiting and having access to the phone.

 

[nursebeeme]

all hacking aside,

In my opinion I think that most likely the sexts were done on the "bat phones"...

again, this is just my opinion

 

[1Chump]

This is a myth.

Attorney's not testify in court, and therefore cannot be perjured.

If you don't tell your attorney what happened, they can't defend you and it's very likely they'll be blindsided in the courtroom. They want to know everything that happened so they are prepared for it.

And on a logical front. If you did commit the crime, where would you begin lying to your attorney about the series of events? Or would you just refuse to talk about it? (Rhetorical)

Suborning perjury means getting another person on the stand to lie. If a client told an attorney that they were guilty, the attorney could not allow the client to testify that they were innocent. They also could not allow another witness to testify on their client's behalf that the client was with them at the time the crime was committed.

The attorney first gives the client specific instructions in how to answer their questions before they ever ask the first question. As far as blindsiding, the prosecutor has to turn over evidence. The client is asked questions about that evidence as well as other evidence. But a good defense attorney does not tell a client tell me EVERYTHING because they do fear what the client will say.

 

[Patty G]

IMO, I think the sexy text messages happened on the cellphone that was within the household before and after Kyron went missing. Since LE was not aware of any other cellphones, and found the text messages back and forth with Michael, it seems reasonable to me that the sexy messages where on the existing cellphone.

I feel that Kaine disconnected the cellphone that was used for the text messages once he found out about them. The friend(s) then came forward with another cellphone for Terri to use since she had no ability to purchase another cellphone. No money; no job.

ETA: If the sexy text messages were sent from the cellphone that the friend(s) purchased for Terri, and IF this cellphone is in the friend's name, then LE would have to have a darn good reason to subpoena the cellphone records of the owner (friend). IMO

 

[kathryann]

It is so hard for me to believe that all of these people who are friends with Terri H are willing to do alot for her, more than most people I know, and more than I would certainly do even for a close friend. I would be supportive but not enabling them with a phone, that seems too much like helping someone after the fact. Does anyone think that all of these "friends" are all connected by some type of "secret?" I have no clue what it could be, but a conspiracy perhaps?

 

[Wings Of Light]

Usually an attorney does not want their client to confess to them.

Okay... I think a lot of people are confused on how exactly the law applies.

It only applies when a guilty client plans to take the stand and lie.

If a client insists on testifying and lying and the attorney can't convince them not to, you can't do anything about it and it's certainly a sensitive situation for the lawyer, but there isn't any set way to deal with it.

Again, it's only a concern when a client wants to get on the stand and lie. It has no bearing on anything else. The vast majority of people take their attorney's advice and won't go on the stand to lie.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

IMO, Houze would not continue to represent her. His ability to defend her would be severly hampered by such a confession. Because while attorneys cannot violate the privilege, they also cannot suborn perjury.

Defense attorneys defend the guilty all the time. It is their job to defend the accused, whether the accused is factually innocent or factually guilty.

 

[Patty G]

If we put aside for a moment that Kyron is missing and Terri is the last known person to see Kyron.

If we just deal with the fact that A hubby left the marital home, took their baby, and perhaps cut off all access to money, left her with nothing, hadn't worked in 3 years, cut off cellphone access, filed for divorce; would anyone help their friend out with a cellphone?

ETA: No MFH; No LE Involvement. Added so I am clear with what I am posting.

 

[Chablis]

If we put aside for a moment that Kyron is missing and Terri is the last known person to see Kyron.

If we just deal with the fact that hubby left the marital home, took their baby, and perhaps cut off all access to money, left her with nothing, hadn't worked in 3 years, cut off cellphone access, filed for divorce; would anyone help their friend out with a cellphone?

He didn't leave because he was moving in with a pregnant girlfriend or anything, he left because the LE told him that his wife had wanted to kill him a few months back. Being the good parent he is, he took his daughter and got her away from the mother, thats the right thing to do.

So no, I wouldn't give her a cell phone unless I was working with the cops and knew it was bugged.

 

[cluciano63]

He didn't leave because he was moving in with a pregnant girlfriend or anything, he left because the LE told him that his wife had wanted to kill him a few months back. Being the good parent he is, he took his daughter and got her away from the mother, thats the right thing to do.

So no, I wouldn't give her a cell phone unless I was working with the cops and knew it was bugged.

I don't know for sure that Kaine is a "good parent" or otherwise. All I know is that he and everyone else seem to want everyone to believe that Terri is anything but good, in any way, shape or form. And at the very least, he seems to have been fairly oblivious as to what took place in his own home. That makes me wonder how involved/aware he was in the lives of those he lived with.

I am NOT saying Kaine is not a great parent, the best, etc...but I don't know that he is. I am sure that LE advised him to take the baby and leave the home and he did so.

 

[SmoothOperator]

IMO, Houze would not continue to represent her. His ability to defend her would be severly hampered by such a confession. Because while attorneys cannot violate the privilege, they also cannot suborn perjury.

Below is a post from AZlawyer... Part BBM is reference to your above post...

Originally Posted by AZlawyer
No, the attorney could not reveal his client's confession or information about where the body is, and certainly would not have to withdraw from the representation. The vast majority of criminal defendants are, in fact, guilty, so a criminal defense lawyer who insisted on representing only innocent people would get hungry pretty fast. My understanding is that defense attorneys discourage their clients from telling them such information, however, and focus on ensuring procedual fairness and getting the lowest possible sentence for a client who is obviously guilty.

This is why I could never be a defense attorney. The ethics are too complex for me lol. I prefer to sleep at night

 

[Chablis]

I don't know for sure that Kaine is a "good parent" or otherwise. All I know is that he and everyone else seem to want everyone to believe that Terri is anything but good, in any way, shape or form. And at the very least, he seems to have been fairly oblivious as to what took place in his own home. That makes me wonder how involved/aware he was in the lives of those he lived with.

I am NOT saying Kaine is not a great parent, the best, etc...but I don't know that he is. I am sure that LE advised him to take the baby and leave the home and he did so.

Well, I guess until cops say Kaine did something worse than trying to have Terri killed, I just have to go with hes the best parent, hands down, because there is really nothing worse than that, besides hurting a child, oh, and I am sure his missing son last seen with Terri probably factored in his leaving after he found out the murder for hire plot.

 

[SmoothOperator]

all hacking aside,

In my opinion I think that most likely the sexts were done on the "bat phones"...

again, this is just my opinion

Wherever or on whatever phones the sexting was done LE was privy to seeing the questionable behaviors displayed in the texting.. Not only did LE share with Kaine's Atty. Rackner the information contained in the "sexts" but also per the RO Kaine Horman was given copies of such documents which he petitioned for the courts to see them in court on a screen..

Hang on and I'll add the link and the snipped portion of the RO that states such...

ETA~ was just jumping off your post Nursebeeme, nothing directed at you personally

 

[Adrienne37]

If we put aside for a moment that Kyron is missing and Terri is the last known person to see Kyron.

If we just deal with the fact that hubby left the marital home, took their baby, and perhaps cut off all access to money, left her with nothing, hadn't worked in 3 years, cut off cellphone access, filed for divorce; would anyone help their friend out with a cellphone?

How can you set aside for a moment the fact that Kyron is missing and that is the reason why her friends helped her with a cellphone? The reason the "hubby" left the home is because he was informed by LE that his wife tried to hire someone to kill him.

Good grief.

I think this thread has gotten way out of control with talk of Kaine setting Terri up by sending the photos, or the phone was hacked, or she had the pictures on the cellphone and they accidentally got sent. I think Kaine has far too much to worry about other than hacking Terri's cellphone. I can understand the need to stay on the fence as far as Terri's guilt regarding Kyron's disappearance is concerned but all of this blaming someone else because she was busted sexting and sending dirty pictures of herself to another man is beyond ridiculous. JMO.

 

[cluciano63]

I totally believe Terri sent her own dirty pix to MC...but still manage to cling to the fence as far as guilt in Kyron's disappearance. I am not seeing the connection between the two things. Clearly she has no sense of propriety, may have been craving male attention, who knows...but I am just not taking it as a sign of guilt at this point. Very poor judgement, yes.