Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #10 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[bourne]

RSBM. At this stage, the timelime of alleged events have been outlined in the criminal complaint and this is the only official document that has been provided to the court thus far, the rest is pure speculation. I am allowed to question what the point of going on national television and hiding your identity with a fake name to give an account of your story that doesn't align with what was told to authorities? I would anticipate that if he was, in fact, a key witness involved in a federal charges case and DT/TT made these incriminating admissions to him then he would be under strict instructions to not be discussing the case to CNN at this point in time. I am not attacking him personally because at the moment I have no clue who he even is. His real name isn't even Danny.

And there is no evidence that DT's alleged statements after his arrest during the Public Safety Exception to the Miranda rule were legally obtained - he repeatedly asked for a Lawyer during the interrogation period and the FBI interrogated him long after the Police Commissioner deemed Boston was safe and any immediate danger was over.

BBM. Cite source please wherein you know for a fact the carjacked victim's real name is not even Danny. Or are you making this claim because he's Chinese and therefore, cannot have an "American" name? I don't get it. Why are you questioning his name when that is what he and LE both gave as his real name to the media?

No, Danny's not a key witness. Others above have explained it quite eloquently.

I'm not understanding how whether DT's statements regarding Danny was not legally obtained affects the VERACITY of DT's statements. The fact is DT made statements to LE about carjacking Danny. Whether DT was mirandized or not prior to his making these statements do not affect the truthfulness of his statements. Furthermore, why would DT lie about carjacking Danny? What purpose would it serve DT? For all intents and purposes, Danny by reporting the T bombers to the police, helped get DT's brother TT killed. So why would DT be presumably protecting Danny by perpetuating lies about the T brothers carjacking Danny? Do you see that that doesn't make any sense?

Anyhow, I'm not going to have a protracted conversation about this any longer. You're entitled to your opinion, however unreasonable it may be.

 

[noodled1]

Quoting myself

This is the link to the complaint:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/138931281/Criminal-Complaint-Against-Azamat-Tazhayakov-And-Dias-Kadyrbayev

What had me worried is on page 6, point 13 onwards. It describes DT's position, action and movements prior and just after the bombings. What concerns me are words such as "it appears that" and "apparently".

And for all who might now think I'm trying to find excuses - I don't! I firmly believe that TT and DT are responsible for these two bombings. I just wonder whether it will hold up in court if they can't actually see him putting his knapsack down, if it only "appears" that he did so, or "apparently" did so. I sounds like the video footage does not clearly show that he had the knapsack on him when he stopped in front of that restaurant. So, defence could argue that he left it somewhere else, and another person put the knapsack with the bomb in that spot.

Again, I don't believe that this is what happened, but what I or anyone else believes is mostly irrelevant in court.

What do you all think? Is the description of DT's action clear? Will it be enough evidence? Or is it only circumstantial?

I think the evidence combined is more than fine.

Yes an attorney could argue that he left his backpack someplace else.

how does he explain away their actions post bombing? including the killing of LE

how does he explain away they tried to use a bomb just like the two at the marathon during the shootout

how does he explain away the shootout?

How does he explain away the purchasing of multiple pressure cookers?

how does he explain away the residue in the apartment?

fact is there's more than enough evidence of crimes post bombing to put away DT for life. they actually don't need to convict him of the bombing itself

that's why i feel in the end this will never go to trial, he'll plea out

 

[epiphany]

Can someone please link me to the posts where it discusses what type of heart surgery TT is said to have had? I missed those posts and can't find them. I know a poster has said they are tired of talking about what killed TT so I apologize for my post. But I am in the medical field and have not ever seen an incision site right there, although I am not a heart surgery expert whatsoever, but I am interested in learning about the procedure if there is one. I would greatly appreciate the help

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While unable to link to prior WS posts, below are links concerning TT's arrival at the ER and medical procedures undertaken:

Tsarnaev, 26, arrived at the ER in cardiac arrest with multiple traumatic injuries, including burns on his right shoulder and chest and a large penetrating wound on his torso, which could have been caused by a bullet or shrapnel, Schoenfeld told news outlets.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...tsarnaev-life-article-1.1322092#ixzz2SM1XK0sm

When Tsarnaev arrived, he immediately went into cardiac arrest. CPR was performed until a team of doctors could attempt to resuscitate him, inserting chest tubes to treat potential injuries and gain vascular access to give the patient what Schoenfeld described as "massive blood transfusions."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/david-schoenfeld-tamerlan-tsarnaev-doctor_n_3117810.html

At about 1:20 a.m., emergency medical personnel wheeled in Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, handcuffed, unconscious, and near death. His tattered clothes had already been cut away. More than a dozen police officers surrounded him.

Emergency crews were performing cardiopulmonary resuscitation on Tsarnaev, who had massive injuries, including burns on his right shoulder, bullet wounds, and a gaping slash on his torso.

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Schoenfeld said doctors placed a breathing tube in Tsarnaev’s throat and tubes in his chest to release pressure from his lungs. Schoenfeld helped coordinate and grabbed a tray with instruments for the team to use to cut open his chest and check for heart damage.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...d-shoot-out/EklhnOS3cRiFmrWSBcje5O/story.html

The trauma team put a breathing tube in the patient’s throat, Dr. Schoenfeld said, then cut open his chest to see if blood or other fluid was collecting around his heart. His handcuffs were removed at some point during the resuscitation attempt, he said, because “when the patient is in cardiac arrest and we’re doing all these procedures, we need to be able to move their arms around.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-marathon-bombings.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2&

 

[redheadedgal]

anterolateral thoracotomy:

http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/thoracicsurgeryvolii/chapter11figure209b.jpg

graphic pic: http://www.chicagonow.com/mayor-daily/files/2013/04/922953_243643739107292_1518543750_n.jpg

 

[epiphany]

"Danny" is the American nickname of the Boston terrorists' armed carjacking, kidnapped and robbery victim:

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In an exclusive interview with the Globe on Thursday, Danny -- the victim of the Tsarnaev brothers’ much-discussed but previously little-understood carjacking -- filled in some of the last missing pieces in the timeline between the murder of MIT police officer Sean Collier, just before 10:30 p.m. on April 18, and the Watertown shootout that ended just before 1 a.m. Danny asked that he be identified only by his American nickname.

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Danny, who offered his account only on the condition that the Globe not reveal his Chinese name, said he does not want attention. But he suspects his full name may come out if and when he testifies against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/201...owing-night/BhQWGzarWee8MZ6KtMHJNN/story.html

 

[danzn16]

Thanks guys. Always impressed with how well you all are at finding these things!!


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[sorrell skye]

Yes, just this week LE, in Suburban Maryland, arrested a teen with pipe bombs in a backpack. A girl's suspicious father took the opportunity to search the backpack while the teen left it unattended in the man's home..
http://www.wusa9.com/news/maryland/

Kudos to David Chreky, who contacted LE about what he found in 19-year-old Kyle Druckemiller's duffel bag! Who knows what this Kyle character may have been planning to do with those pipe bombs. Chreky likely saved lives.

Following the Boston Marathon bombings, there were several people close to the suspects who could have contacted LE after the suspects' pictures were released & they were recognized by those who knew them. Officer Collier's life may have been saved, if those who recognized TT & DT in the video footage had contacted LE, rather than making phone calls and/or disposing of potential evidence to keep their 'friend' out of trouble.

 

[time]

I agree with most of your comments but I will stick my head above the parapet and say yes, I for one, am absolutely currently debating whether they are guilty, and if so, what of? We haven't seen the evidence yet, let alone had a trial.

As the case develops I will draw my own conclusions based on whatever actual evidence is revealed (officially) that stands up to scrutiny, but I choose not to do that based on speculation, assumptions, gossip, innuendo, snapshots from a person's life, hearsay, association, pseudo-psychology, anonymous sources, media influence, chatter from the 'I knew him and he was a bad'un'!' crowd, or the absolute disgust I feel towards anyone who kills innocent people. I only rely on facts, and we have very few of those, as yet.

It is also not clear to me that this was definitely an act of terrorism. Unless actual religious or political motives are proven, what is the difference between e.g. killing multiple people in a cinema using various high powered weapons and setting off 2 home-made bombs in a crowd? Why is one immediately labelled an act of terrorism (even before any facts are gleaned) and the other is not? I just don't see the distinction.

I trust that others who have already formed their opinions will respect my right to wait and reserve judgement before I form mine.

Didn't DT himself say it had to do with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus they are favoriting videos and such that are political in regards to terrorism? What would suffice as proof for you?

"Over the past several decades, the United States has begun to articulate terrorism as a distinctive category of criminal activity. The United States Code (USC) uses several definitions of terrorism that address specific legal situations, all of which have entered into the legal lexicon only since the 1970s."

www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

I don't think it is always easy to define terrorism.

Holmes didn't seem to have much of an agenda, at least not that I know of so I'm not sure how that is a good example. The difficult concept here is two brothers, two people only seemingly acting alone, building the bombs and conducting the bombing without a direction connection to a group directly promoting that act. But maybe this is the new formula for some terrorist agendas.

 

[Devon]

anterolateral thoracotomy:

http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/thoracicsurgeryvolii/chapter11figure209b.jpg

graphic pic: http://www.chicagonow.com/mayor-daily/files/2013/04/922953_243643739107292_1518543750_n.jpg

Thank you for that! It explains one of the other 'holes' on his side that I thought was strange as it has 'innards' poking out of it. It's 'c' in your first link.

 

[epiphany]

So which one is it? Talking or not?

When KT's attorneys are speaking to the media, KT is talking and fully cooperating with LE and FBI. KT's attorneys are doing exactly what they're being paid to do.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

BBM1: When TT traveled to Russia last year for 6 months & told his father that he didn't want to return to the US, but wanted to bring his wife & child over to Dagestan to live, that is possible evidence that TT had become dissatisfied with living in the US. Anzor Tsarneav has stated in interviews that he forced Tamerlan to return to the US. If he had to be forced to return, this suggests to me that Tamerlan was likely disaffected with the US.

When TT said "I don't have a single American friend. I don't understand them" - that is possible evidence that he was unhappy living in the US & felt no kindred spirit with Americans. Thousands of ex-pats manage to "settle themselves" (using Uncle Ruslan's words) in the US & make American friends. Tamerlan married an American - did he not consider his American wife his 'friend'? At any rate, I think Tamerlan was unhappy because he chose to be unhappy, rather than devote energy to creating a happy life when he had every opportunity to do so.

BBM2: I don't consider a stay-at-home parent lazy, either. I think it's best if a child can be home with a parent during the first few years of their lives. Raising a child (if done properly) is challenging, yet rewarding work.

However, I DO consider a father lazy if the mother is working double-shifts 7 days a week (as reported by KR's attorney) to support her family & misses out on sharing time with her child.

Lack of full citizenship wouldn't have prevented him from gaining employment. Thousands of determined immigrants manage to find jobs to support themselves & their families. IMO, TT didn't work because he didn't want to work.

Instead, he chose to spend his time & energy constructing bombs that he used to murder & maim innocent people.

I have to ask. RBBM and RSBM?
Not to mention the risk he is putting his child in while constructing those bombs and having explosives around the house.
I think TT became even more disenchanted when he was convicted of a DV offense which precluded his citizenship (his own fault). This prevented him from continuing to qualify for boxing titles which he had trained long and hard for. Most would have never gotten into such a situation, or would have then pursued another goal in order to better themselves. (TT had a lousy role model in a mother who stole and felt entitled. She jumped bail after she was charged with stealing $1600.00 worth of merchandise at the Natick Lord and Taylor. She fled back to Dagistan.)
Additionally, TT told 'Danny' that he hated Americans.
Just an incoherent string of thoughts while the family keeps interrupting... LOL!

 

[Just K]

These two brothers are really not so different from suicide bombers in other countries or other criminals who place roadside IEDs. Those types of killers are typically referred to as terrorists and many of them seem to be on their own- virtually acting on their own desires. When TT ran out of ammunition, he walked straight into the line of fire...sounds like a death wish to me. DT, he doesn't seem to have had the same mentality as his brother. All IMO.

 

[redheadedgal]

Thank you for that! It explains one of the other 'holes' on his side that I thought was strange as it has 'innards' poking out of it. It's 'c' in your first link.

yw.

i wouldn't assume "c" was part of any procedure to help start a heart b/c i can't see how the colon is vital to that. i think it was just another injury in the particular case study diagram i found to demonstrate the procedure's location... i don't see anything poking out of him, only gunshots and bruising fwiw

 

[sorrell skye]

Hard fact are not always needed to understand the truth.

SBM

If hard facts are not needed to understand the "truth", then upon what foundation is the "truth" built?

Is the "truth" not based upon factual information? I think it is. The fields of scientific inquiry demand factual information, in order to arrive at the "truth".

Without a basis of factual information, isn't one's viewpoint nothing more than conjecture? I think so.

 

[BigCat]

Didn't DT himself say it had to do with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus they are favoriting videos and such that are political in regards to terrorism? What would suffice as proof for you?

"Over the past several decades, the United States has begun to articulate terrorism as a distinctive category of criminal activity. The United States Code (USC) uses several definitions of terrorism that address specific legal situations, all of which have entered into the legal lexicon only since the 1970s."

www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

I don't think it is always easy to define terrorism.

Holmes didn't seem to have much of an agenda, at least not that I know of so I'm not sure how that is a good example. The difficult concept here is two brothers, two people only seemingly acting alone, building the bombs and conducting the bombing without a direction connection to a group directly promoting that act. But maybe this is the new formula for some terrorist agendas.

I've never really understood the reason for attaching the label "terrorism" or "hate crime" to certain violent acts. A crime is a crime, and killing an eight year old is heinous act no matter the label attached to it. IMO

Indeed, attaching labels to a crime might have the ironic effect of adding higher status to the criminal. A man searching for an identity, like TT, may find the label Terrorista #1 more appealing than Mr. Mom.

JMO

 

[epiphany]

DV charges against TT were dismissed. It would not have held up TT's citizenship process. Investigation of TT by the FBI likely stalled his application. Also, TT wasn't eligible to apply for citizenship in 2010 when/if he was seeking to apply for boxing titles.

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As it happened, Golden Gloves of America was just then changing its policy. It used to permit legal immigrants to compete in its national tournament three out of every four years, barring them only during Olympic qualifying years, James Beasley, the executive director, said. But it decided in 2010 that the policy was confusing and moved to end all participation by noncitizens in the Tournament of Champions.

So Mr. Tsarnaev, New England heavyweight champion for the second year in a row, was stymied. The immigrant champions in three other weight classes in New England were blocked from advancing, too, Mr. Russo said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/u...-tamerlan-tsarnaev-reeled.html?pagewanted=all

 

[bourne]

"Danny" is the American nickname of the Boston terrorists' armed carjacking, kidnapped and robbery victim:

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In an exclusive interview with the Globe on Thursday, Danny -- the victim of the Tsarnaev brothers’ much-discussed but previously little-understood carjacking -- filled in some of the last missing pieces in the timeline between the murder of MIT police officer Sean Collier, just before 10:30 p.m. on April 18, and the Watertown shootout that ended just before 1 a.m. Danny asked that he be identified only by his American nickname.

snipped

Danny, who offered his account only on the condition that the Globe not reveal his Chinese name, said he does not want attention. But he suspects his full name may come out if and when he testifies against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/201...owing-night/BhQWGzarWee8MZ6KtMHJNN/story.html

A nickname is still a "real" name. That's what Danny the carjacked victim uses to identify himself. That's what his friends called him. That's what LE called him. Perhaps Danny's short for Daniel -- who knows and how's that relevant to whether Danny's testimony is truthful or not?

Just because someone doesn't want to give their full BIRTH name to the media doesn't mean they haven't done so to LE and that LE doesn't know Danny's BIRTHNAME.

Again, DT by his own statements have corroborated Danny's accounts of being carjacked. So I see no reason to doubt Danny's version of the harrowing events he faced at the hands of the bombing T brothers.

 

[ontariolynn]

The car jacked man is not a key witness. He didn't see anything other than his SUV and ATM card getting taken away. what DT and TT told him in the car is really of no relevance. The Feds don't need his testimony to make the case.

Totally agree, I feel that some of you are really shredding this young man, without his help, and the gentleman in Store, do not remember the name, maybe they would have continued to hurt innocent people, they certainly had things in their possession to do so, whether it be New York Time Square or wherever.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

epiphany, I just want to express much gratitude toward you. Thank you for finding the answers so eloquently that refer to the slash in Tamerlan's torso (studying med in the past I don't remember any procedure where a deep cut in that area could take place when working on a person's heart), the nickname if the carjacking victim being Danny (btw I read an article & also heard on one of the news stations that he speaks "broken English"), and the fact that the thrown out dv charge against Tamerlan wouldn't have stalled his citizenship (or whatever it's called permanent resident something). I'm one of the Websleuthers here, like danzn16, that happens to be a stickler for facts and only facts. Thank you for finding the answers and putting an end to it.

 

[ctkid]

When KT's attorneys are speaking to the media, KT is talking and fully cooperating with LE and FBI. KT's attorneys are doing exactly what they're being paid to do.

Lawyer speak.