Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #11 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[Capri]

Your link to CF News states DT has been charged for the murder of the MIT officer Sean Collier which is false. So this article lacks credibility. IMO

You should email them and tell them no one has been charged, yet. Soon, hopefully, but not yet.

 

[Elley Mae]

After officers had shot Tsarnaev, 26, but captured him alive, his 19-year-old brother and accused co-conspirator Dzhokhar Tsarnaev ran over him with their stolen getaway car.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinio...5/da_waltham_triple_murder_by_no_means_closed

Dzhokhar is currently not charged with Collier’s murder. If the government believes that Tamerlan pulled the trigger to kill Collier—or if it can’t prove that Dzhokhar did—Dzhokhar could still be prosecuted under a conspiracy theory or as a felony-murder accomplice. As a general matter, it is a mixed blessing for Dzhokhar that he is the only survivor. It is bad for him because he is now the focus of all the prosecutorial attention. But it is potentially helpful for him as well: he and his lawyers could try to paint his absent older brother as the mastermind and manipulator and, potentially, as the one who fired the shot that killed Collier.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/04/legal-questions-about-dzhokhar-tsarnaev.html

 

[ami]

I am generally a supporter of law enforcement and give them the benefit of the doubt, and I do in this instance as well. I have e utmost respect for the FBI. But that still doesn't change the fact that something went seriously wrong in this interview/interrogation. As high profile and important as this investigation is, I assume the agents and officers present were very experienced. They would have planned out what would happen in that apartment. They knew full well who this guy was, that he was likely part of a brutal triple knife murder, was well trained and experienced in martial arts, AND that he had a very short fuze. The first thing they would have done would have been to pat him down for a weapon for officer safety. By some reports he had confessed to involvement in the Waterford murders. The LAST thing the FBI wanted was this guy dead. but that is exactly what happened. Somehow they allowed him to get a knife (although earlier today the LE was saying it wasn't certain it was a knife) and attached the agent, though the report I just saw said it was one of the Mass officers that was attacked. Some how the agents and officers lost focus and let this guy somehow get a knife. Or perhaps before the interview this guy had already decided he was going to die just waited for a chance, for the agents and officers to relax, to grab a knife and attack, knowing he would be killed and just trying to take a cop with him.

At the moment, I'm going to assume this is the standard poor reporting by the media. Because like you, I think there's a lot that doesn't make sense in this story the way it has been reported. I'm trying to keep in mind that there was a lot that didn't make sense about most of the stories before the truth came out.

But yeah - as it stands, it seems weird that this guy would be out on bond, willingly confess to a triple murder, certainly pose a violence risk and a flight risk, and they would be standing in his kitchen with him trying to get him to sign a written confession before taking him in. Doesn't a verbal admission of a violent crime - from someone out on bond for a violent altercation - give LE enough reason to take him in "for questioning" at least? I don't know, but it doesn't sound like a good plan - and I doubt the FBI and two LE forces planned this that badly. So I'm guessing we're getting a sketchy outline of the story via the media.

 

[CuriousGrace]

You should email them and tell them no one has been charged, yet. Soon, hopefully, but not yet.

I am not emailing anyone, was simply saying it was inaccurate and false.

IMO.

 

[noodled1]

At the moment, I'm going to assume this is the standard poor reporting by the media. Because like you, I think there's a lot that doesn't make sense in this story the way it has been reported. I'm trying to keep in mind that there was a lot that didn't make sense about most of the stories before the truth came out.

But yeah - as it stands, it seems weird that this guy would be out on bond, willingly confess to a triple murder, certainly pose a violence risk and a flight risk, and they would be standing in his kitchen with him trying to get him to sign a written confession before taking him in. Doesn't a verbal admission of a violent crime - from someone out on bond for a violent altercation - give LE enough reason to take him in "for questioning" at least? I don't know, but it doesn't sound like a good plan - and I doubt the FBI and two LE forces planned this that badly. So I'm guessing we're getting a sketchy outline of the story via the media.

Yep We don't know the timeline yet. He could have admitted the slayings in 2011 and as they moved to place him under arrest that's when it went sideways.

Seems the feds are not really talking and we're only getting snippets early on

 

[SophieRose]

How do you know that. He may have booked that far ahead. Or he waited a while thinking nothing would connect him to Tamerlan. It seems at some point the FBI may have started following him due to what IT apparently said during the May 4th incident, IIRC. So he may have booked a flight to Russia once he realized he was being followed/investigated. we don't know really when that was or when he may have started suspecting he was followed. If he was involved in the murders, then I'd think he'd quietly try to leave the country. I suspect he did not have a lot of money, his father said he had never really had a job, so he'd have to find a way to pay for a ticket - not cheap either. I think my version makes more sense.

He didn't have time to think LE wouldn't connect him to TT, they were at his door two days after the bombing. The FBI had TT's cell phone, they didn't even have to wait for cell phone records. The FBI were at TT's ex-gf's residence a day or two after the bombing and a neighbor said the FBI mentioned finding her through a phone/cell number.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2776677.story

The FBI questioned Todashev at least five times in person plus numerous times by telephone since the bombings, according to interviews with three of his four former roommates in a duplex at Orlando Sun Village in Osceola County.

They told the Orlando Sentinel the interviews and surveillance began two days after two Chechen brothers — 26-year-old Tamerlan and 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev — were identified as the suspected bombers.

"They pretty much kidnapped him in front of his place," said 22-year-old Khusen Taramov.

 

[Capri]

I am not emailing anyone, was simply saying it was inaccurate and false.

IMO.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be snarky or anything I know there were quite a few times in other cases, where the media has their facts wrong, and websleuthers caught it, quickly. I've emailed the news reporters, and the editors, on occasion. Yeah, it probably goes in the rotating trash file, but makes me feel better, anyway, to know we've got our facts straight here (as much as they can be anyway, with the info we have.)

So, no disrespect intended

 

[AlwaysShocked]

"In the wake of the shooting Wednesday, several of Todashev's friends told the Orlando Sentinel that the FBI had been questioning and following Todashev since two days after the April 15 Boston attack.

Tuesday night's interview was supposed to be his last, Todashev's friends said."

The quotes in the Orlando Sentinel article linked above by friends and family members are full of what I've come to categorize as the "Chechen drama" manner of speaking and describing. To get the hang of it, just recall the interviews with the mother of the Boston bombers.

Everybody is "being followed". Everything is "a plot". The FBI finds your phone number in the records of a terrorist and they rightfully come to interview you, but according to a Chechen friend (Mr. "you know what I mean?") the FBI "kidnaps" the guy.

Friends and family deny the guy was a hothead, yet his criminal record and other people who were not friends or family describe him as that. Family members in Russia make asinine statements just like the mother did.

I'll say this, if Tuesday night's interview was to be the last, to me it means the FBI was planning to arrest the dude. And that could well be what set off the confrontation.

And no, the FBI did NOT want the guy dead! That would be the last thing they wanted. Whether this comes back as a justified shooting or not, I'm sure his bosses are not too pleased with the agent.

I will say this, it sounds like these FBI agents don't mess around when it comes to shooting someone. There was another case listed in the article where the FBI was assisting in an arrest on a service base and the guy pulled a knife. The agent shot and killed him in a justified shooting.

I guess they aren't aiming for the legs?

 

[1&2&3]

In my area of the south, all officers shoot to kill. There are no second chances! There has been much debate regarding this due to officers shooting and killing over a minor incident. If an officer shoots his gun at you, there is one purpose - to kill you not hurt you or scare you!

 

[time]

"In the wake of the shooting Wednesday, several of Todashev's friends told the Orlando Sentinel that the FBI had been questioning and following Todashev since two days after the April 15 Boston attack.

Tuesday night's interview was supposed to be his last, Todashev's friends said."

The quotes in the Orlando Sentinel article linked above by friends and family members are full of what I've come to categorize as the "Chechen drama" manner of speaking and describing. To get the hang of it, just recall the interviews with the mother of the Boston bombers.

Everybody is "being followed". Everything is "a plot". The FBI finds your phone number in the records of a terrorist and they rightfully come to interview you, but according to a Chechen friend (Mr. "you know what I mean?") the FBI "kidnaps" the guy.

Friends and family deny the guy was a hothead, yet his criminal record and other people who were not friends or family describe him as that. Family members in Russia make asinine statements just like the mother did.
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Yep...deja vu huh! Now IT's dad is claiming he thinks he was tortured.

I think it's possible the investigators either didn't mention the Waltham murders to IT until late in the game. Otherwise, maybe they feared he would flee. And, hence, they wouldn't have mentioned it to his estranged wife either. Her interview seems to conflict though in other ways, claiming basically IT really barely knew TT. It seems neighbors complained the two of them were sort of a nuisance. And, I'm a bit upset that before much of the investigation is finished and revealed publicly, she's already saying the US should pay to send his body back to Russia since they shot him while in custody.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

In my area of the south, all officers shoot to kill. There are no second chances! There has been much debate regarding this due to officers shooting and killing over a minor incident. If an officer shoots his gun at you, there is one purpose - to kill you not hurt you or scare you!

I totally agree.

IMO anytime you draw a gun you should be prepared to kill.

I think, from what I've read, this was totally warranted. The guy attacked and stabbed te agent.

He got what was coming to him.

JMO

 

[redheadedgal]

Dzhokhar is currently not charged with Collier’s murder. If the government believes that Tamerlan pulled the trigger to kill Collier—or if it can’t prove that Dzhokhar did— ...

Middlesex County prosecutors, who have been working closely with their federal counterparts, believe they will be able collect sufficient evidence to prosecute Tsarnaev for Collier’s murder, said Stephanie Guyotte, a spokeswoman for District Attorney Marian T. Ryan.

“We are actively investigating and we do expect to bring charges,” Guyotte said. “We will determine exactly what those charges are very soon.”

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/201...cer-slaying/Z5ERGSAAeLeMaDTpsdLIjK/story.html

 

[time]

I think the father of IT is confused and thinks they went after his son because of the Boston bombings:

http://ruptly.tv/vod/view/1392/russ...pect-shot-dead-in-us-was-innocent-says-father


Grozny, Russia
May 22, 2013, 19:41 (GMT)

SOT: Abdul-Baki Todashev, Father of Ibragim Todashev (Russian): "He had a ticket for a flight back in May 24. They had his plans changed by killing him. That man lived in Boston, and my boy lived in Florida. He moved a year ago. When he still lived in Boston, they just attended the same gym, as it now turns out. If you didn't provoke him, he would never attacked anyone, he was very quiet. From what I heard, five or six police officers entered his house. I don't know much, really. How could he have attacked anyone, and a police officer in particular, with a knife, if there were five or six of them, and they were in his house? While in Florida, he underwent surgery to fix an injured knee, so it was impossible for him physically to be present anywhere. So when those bombings took place in Boston, he was still either in hospital or at home recovering from the surgery. He couldn't take part in the terror act because it wasn't physcially possible. After the surgery he had to learn how to walk anew. Like all Chechens, he practiced Islam, that's it. He never had any radical or extreme views. Before he came to the US, he lived and studied in the city of Saratov. When he completed his third year of studies, we moved to Grozny. Life had imrpoved in Chechnya so we repaired our house and moved back. So he moved too and began studying here at the local university. When he completed his fourth year, he asked me to let him go to the US to practice the English language which he studied here. When he spent some time there, he asked me if he could stay in the US because he obviously took a liking to the place. I told him he needed to complete his studies first. He replied he would come back in a few years' time, apply for the university again and complete the only year remaining."


I'm not sure he knew about a connection to the Waltham murders. And, I thought earlirr he said his son had not worked.

I don't know why IT was seeking political asylum if his father is saying he simply wanted to stay here because he liked it. But, here's the kicker....

"The Tsarnaev's mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, has said that Todashev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev saw each other regularly in Boston."

 

[gramcracker]

Really? I hadn't heard that. Do you have a link or remember what the source was? thx

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/pa...ev-black-hat-suspect-in-boston-bombings-found

 

[1&2&3]

This story gets more interesting or confusing each day. It does appear something went TERRIBLY wrong in that apt. with Orlando. What knowledge did he take to the grave with him that would have been beneficial to us?

The FBI has a person connected, supposedly, to TT and to the Waltham murders, and he ends up getting killed for attacking the agent? Let's forget the murders for a moment, just the information and knowledge Orlando could provide on TT would be more than we have. He may also have had info on DT and his connections.

Sure, to finally be able to solve the murders would be great, however, collecting information on the terrorists is still LE's prime interest, IMO! They find him and kill him! Really!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This story gets more interesting or confusing each day. It does appear something went TERRIBLY wrong in that apt. with Orlando. What knowledge did he take to the grave with him that would have been beneficial to us?

The FBI has a person connected, supposedly, to TT and to the Waltham murders, and he ends up getting killed for attacking the agent? Let's forget the murders for a moment, just the information and knowledge Orlando could provide on TT would be more than we have. He may also have had info on DT and his connections.

Sure, to finally be able to solve the murders would be great, however, collecting information on the terrorists is still LE's prime interest, IMO! They find him and kill him! Really!

They didn't just "find him and kill him".
They found him and questioned him. He attacked and stabbed an agent and was killed.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Review of FBI's Ibragim Todashev shooting could take months

Agents returned to the apartment Thursday to look into the shooting.

Officials said the FBI's shooting review team from Washington, D.C. are still in the process of piecing together the circumstances of the shooting at the Windhover Condominiums on Kirkman Road near Conroy Road.

The FBI is also expected to interview people connected with and who knew Todashev in Central Florida, including his estranged wife.

http://m.wesh.com/news/review-of-fb...ths/-/15560370/20281952/-/grkfhd/-/index.html

 

[1&2&3]

They didn't just "find him and kill him".
They found him and questioned him. He attacked and stabbed an agent and was killed.

My statement did not come out as I meant it. You are correct, he was killed when he stabbed an agent.

Corrected to say: They find him, question him, and by not taking precautions, he is able to grab a knife, attack an agent, and is killed.

 

[1&2&3]

Review of FBI's Ibragim Todashev shooting could take months

Agents returned to the apartment Thursday to look into the shooting.

Officials said the FBI's shooting review team from Washington, D.C. are still in the process of piecing together the circumstances of the shooting at the Windhover Condominiums on Kirkman Road near Conroy Road.

The FBI is also expected to interview people connected with and who knew Todashev in Central Florida, including his estranged wife.

http://m.wesh.com/news/review-of-fb...ths/-/15560370/20281952/-/grkfhd/-/index.html

Something is just so wrong with this whole scenario on what went down in that apt. last night! IMO

 

[Nana]

Really? I hadn't heard that. Do you have a link or remember what the source was? thx

LOL you are the one that posted the info #9 post #549!
I just commented on it later on that I thought that was how they got their money form the goverment.
:seeya:

Here is what you posted

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