Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #11 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[Kimberlyd125]

Well, I picture him sitting across the table from this guy and all of a sudden he lunges with a deadly weapon. It happens in a split second and he has that split second to react. With his training and knowledge he defends himself with his weapon. Imagine if the perp would have overpowered him and taken his gun away. I wouldn't risk my life "hoping" that he could be detained and have the situation turn out worse than it did by one or more of the officers potentially loosing their life. The few seconds it could have taken for the other officers to react and try and detain, could have resulted in his death.

I look at it this way. Officers of law are here to serve and protect us. I don't expect them to take unnecessary risks that would could result in the loss of their life. I would expect a officer to respond with deadly force if confronted with deadly force from a criminal.

Great post.
I totally agree!

 

[noodled1]

I just don't get it.If it was the same agent that got stabbed what were all the others doing? Why weren't they able to detain him?????

Police don't try and restrain somebody with a weapon. They put distance between themselves and then do what's needed to neutralize the situation.

 

[SophieRose]

Well, I picture him sitting across the table from this guy and all of a sudden he lunges with a deadly weapon. It happens in a split second and he has that split second to react. With his training and knowledge he defends himself with his weapon. Imagine if the perp would have overpowered him and taken his gun away. I wouldn't risk my life "hoping" that he could be detained and have the situation turn out worse than it did by one or more of the officers potentially loosing their life. The few seconds it could have taken for the other officers to react and try and detain, could have resulted in his death.

I look at it this way. Officers of law are here to serve and protect us. I don't expect them to take unnecessary risks that would could result in the loss of their life. I would expect a officer to respond with deadly force if confronted with deadly force from a criminal.

Did they say he was sitting at a table when it happened? I read he went to another room for a break after starting to write a confession. Why did they have him write a confession, was that because of language problems?

 

[1&2&3]

Facts that have been stated:
There were 4-5 LE with weapons and 1 suspect.
It will take months to investigate this shooting according to the FBI.
First reports was stabbing was by knife, now report is unknown object.

1.Excuse me, why will it take months to investigate what happened in a small area, an apt?
2.There are 3-4 LE on guard, observing what is going on in this small apt besides the agent interviewing the suspect.
3.Then we have the agent who is directly involved with the suspect who can tell exactly what happened - unless he develops amnesia. Yes, I am being snarky. His recall could get cloudy at the time of attack.

This shooting is one thing that should be super simple for the FBI to solve! What happened in that apt. to cause Todashev to be shot is not a mystery or complicated investigation! Can the 3-4 witnesses, all legal agents of one branch or another, not tell the same story or be believed?! This is where I do not understand what is going on.

 

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Facts that have been stated:
There were 4-5 LE with weapons and 1 suspect.
It will take months to investigate this shooting according to the FBI.
First reports was stabbing was by knife, now report is unknown object.

1.Excuse me, why will it take months to investigate what happened in a small area, an apt?
2.There are 3-4 LE on guard, observing what is going on in this small apt besides the agent interviewing the suspect.
3.Then we have the agent who is directly involved with the suspect who can tell exactly what happened - unless he develops amnesia. Yes, I am being snarky. His recall could get cloudy at the time of attack.

This shooting is one thing that should be super simple for the FBI to solve! What happened in that apt. to cause Todashev to be shot is not a mystery or complicated investigation! Can the 3-4 witnesses, all legal agents of one branch or another, not tell the same story or be believed?! This is where I do not understand what is going on.

Maybe your skepticism is warranted, but if they didn't do a thorough investigation then people wouldn't be happy either. I think they are being more careful because of this IT's alleged connection to a terrorist and to a heinous, brutal murder that could be more than what IT allegedly confessed to. Plus, the Waltham murders could all be connected to DT. I would imagine the investigation includes more than what happened in that short amount of time. We already have the friend claiming he knew this guys every move, about a trip planned and cancelled supposedly, the estranged wife making noise, and so forth. I can be skeptical too, or might I say that I will continue to follow this and make sure it makes sense to me, but for now, I'll give them some leeway till we know more.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

Did they say he was sitting at a table when it happened? I read he went to another room for a break after starting to write a confession. Why did they have him write a confession, was that because of language problems?

I was just giving a hypothetical scenario of a life or death situation, in which you may have to act within a split second to protect yourself or others.

 

[SophieRose]

Facts that have been stated:
There were 4-5 LE with weapons and 1 suspect.
It will take months to investigate this shooting according to the FBI.
First reports was stabbing was by knife, now report is unknown object.

1.Excuse me, why will it take months to investigate what happened in a small area, an apt?
2.There are 3-4 LE on guard, observing what is going on in this small apt besides the agent interviewing the suspect.
3.Then we have the agent who is directly involved with the suspect who can tell exactly what happened - unless he develops amnesia. Yes, I am being snarky. His recall could get cloudy at the time of attack.

This shooting is one thing that should be super simple for the FBI to solve! What happened in that apt. to cause Todashev to be shot is not a mystery or complicated investigation! Can the 3-4 witnesses, all legal agents of one branch or another, not tell the same story or be believed?! This is where I do not understand what is going on.

Time is on LE's side. Longer it takes, people get disinterested or forget.

 

[SophieRose]

The Killing of Tamerlan Tsarnaev's Would-Be Accomplice Wasn't So Simple
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/05/ibragim-todashev-analysis/65536/

 

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Very good article about what they found out about Tamerlin, his time in Russia, sort of a bio/profile

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/manif...e/story?id=19248888&google_editors_picks=true

Investigators have also taken a hard look at Magomed Kartashov, Tsarnaev's distant cousin and the founder and leader of a Islamist group called the Union of the Just. The group is anti-American and campaigns for the application of Sharia, or Islamic law.

The cousins met several times during Tsarnaev's stay in Dagestan. Kartashov's lawyer, Patimat Abdullaeva, told ABC News by phone that the two did discuss religion, but she insisted Tsarnaev was the one with extremist views.

...He described Tsarnaev as being aloof and out of place in Dagestan.

...He also apparently drew attention to himself by claiming to know more about Islam than he really did. According to investigators, Tsarnaev would often recite things he had read or seen on the internet, often confusing those he was trying to impress.

"He was driving people crazy," one official said.

The officials said he was not as strict a practitioner of Islam as he claimed to be.

...While his younger brother and alleged co-conspirator Dzhokhar has been described as the family pothead, one official said Tamerlan was also fond of marijuana, spending hours high on the couch in Massachusetts where he did not have a steady job

 

[CARIIS]

His friend isn't making any sense to me. FBI was pushing this guy to stay and not leave? They didn't have to push him. He couldn't leave, he was out on bond.

We have to remember these are not law abiding folks -- he chopped off some heads a while a back --same thing with older brother returning. (nowhere to go?)

He probably (we have to just go with dealing) purchased a fake ID with his profits.

Went over to triple thread stuff neat stuff. In this regard, as I have felt form beggining, there are lots of drug related stuff.

This group , lots of impulse control issues - lots of altercations with folks with a violent flair.in their histories notions about meth cocaine.............dealing............lots of traffic in and out the apt .........meth makes folks kinda not nice!!!!

Fascinating tweet over there too Sept 10 older tweeted something like guess what tomm is party at my house tomm night.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Time is on LE's side. Longer it takes, people get disinterested or forget.

Why would people need to forget?

 

[CARIIS]

From the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/23/u...shooting-of-man-tied-to-tsarnaev.html?hp&_r=0

but with all parents and children - come on ya all fess up --------didn't you tell your parents at one time or another that you did not eat the choclolate chip cookie when in fact you had TWO!

As a true crime reader, I have never encountered an offspring who told either parent that their were corpses in the back yard, they they just cleaned bomb making stuff so dinner will be on time, or that human beings were on chains upstairs .....you know!

 

[CARIIS]

I just don't get it.If it was the same agent that got stabbed what were all the others doing? Why weren't they able to detain him?????

I think we are going to find out a lot of the kung foo fighting stuff was at play here (probably same with triple murder) like zap crack pop disoriented........

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Did they say he was sitting at a table when it happened? I read he went to another room for a break after starting to write a confession. Why did they have him write a confession, was that because of language problems?

Where did you read that? I haven't seen anything about him going to another room.

I'm not sure why they wanted a written confession.
Written confessions are very common.

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76049943/

Estranged wife steps forward as Ibragim Todashev's next-of-kin


Reniya Manukyan notified the Orange-Osceola Medical Examiner's Office that she is Todashev's closest relative. His body was released to a funeral home Friday afternoon.

 

[CARIIS]

I rememeber stuff about fake ids and changing your identity on older also

Drug ripoff:
I truly do not believe the murder had anything to with drug rip off at all. It think this is all terrorist related. BY that I mean an arguement about AMerica, 9-11, belief systems etc etc that got out of control. It was a party , drinking, maybe some meth addicts in the room , etc. Someone said something and it set older off as it relates to his newfound hate for drugs and partying. Drug dealers, or drug steelers (ah I am a unintentional poet) do not leave either merchandise or profit after slicing peoples heads off. Might as well make a posssible murder charge worth ti! And there were several folks of the Jewish faith there, through in extremist dialog and hot heads etc, we are ripe for murders! POt all over oldr disdain for drugs. What is the one thing America cares about $$$ capitalism...what does throwing anything all around a room indicate disdain for?

A one way flight from Orlando to Russia is as little as $500US. IMO. drug dealing !IMO

$500 is a lot of money if you have no job but pennies if your moving big amounts of drugs -- lets not forget I posted earlier link) that there was about 37K in the house between weed and cash.


They’ve been pushing him they say 'don’t leave, don’t leave' [U]That angle never sense to me. I am thinking more along the lines I had a fake ID and papers, but now I am hanging around with the FBI, might not be ideal to try to split. He is being tailed and stuff. SO the medias notion that the FBI asked a confessing murderer nicely to please hang around just defies logic![/U]

went to rip it off thinking no one would know, but something went wrong Again, if we totally switch gears and make it all about religious based fight out of control SO MUCH more of it makes sense actually!

 

[CARIIS]

Todashev’s neighbors spoke of a person who rarely left the property, but spent hours detailing and cleaning a prized vehicle, believed to be a 1998 Mercedes Benz E Class 300 or 320 with AMG Wheels. Carvajal noted he thought “Todashev was rich as he did not appear to have a job, yet had the car, an attractive girlfriend and dressed well

ME: we are back to money = drugs!

Was renting:Orange County Florida Property Appraiser records show Roman Shakhmanov (b. 12/13/1984) who is presently living in Houston, Texas, is the registered owner.

Landlord name is purely AMerician!!! It is Roman Gennadiyevich Shakhmanov.

Akubaev’s Russian social network page indicates a relationship between Akubaev and Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev. His page contains a YouTube video of Tsarnaev.

We are in Orlando, Florida. The FBI asked him to go with them and killed him in his apartment, saying that he allegedly threatened [them]. It was total chaos. Chechens and other Caucasians in America, be careful and trust no one and talk only in the presence of a lawyer, none of us are immune from that same outcome.

Back to a big drug moving situation =--$ for a lawyer, do we know anything about this guys work history.
Todashev was released on $3,500 bail after his May 4 arrest. According to Court records, Todashev privately retained Rivas for his defense.



Video is awesome. Its the longest clip of older I have seen thus far. Watch his face when he asked where you from. It hit me older heard it and reacted as if he was asking if he was Russian or something. Offended the hell out of older.
quiet, that there were not parties nor a lot of visitors.

girlfriend was a fairly consistent presence in the Todashev’s life. Neighbors describe the woman as being in her 20’s, blonde, very attractive, and seeming to be of Russian descent.

A young woman who lives across the complex pond from the Todashev condominium said that she was working on schoolwork with her daughter. The daughter’s grandmother asking “did you hear those gunshots?”

Read more: http://communities.washingtontimes....-boston-bombers-todasheve-hous/#ixzz2UFVidXNW
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[1&2&3]

The Killing of Tamerlan Tsarnaev's Would-Be Accomplice Wasn't So Simple
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/05/ibragim-todashev-analysis/65536/

This is an interesting article that brings the same questions I raised earlier to light. Glad to read that all of us are not being led down the path to believe whatever is written! What happened to the truth on IT's shooting? Whatever else is being investigated on him does not need to be reported to the public!

The following quote is taken from the above article:
The New York Times points out that there may even be public questioning of who, exactly, killed the would-be accomplice: "It was not certain who, or how many officers, had fired on Mr. Todashev." BBM

You have to be kidding! How in the he?? is a public questioning going to answer anything regarding this incident in the apt.?? AND, they don't know who or how many officers fired on Todashev!!

I will say it COVERUP!!!! :banghead:

 

[CARIIS]

“He was very helpful, very nice, never disrespected women,’’ said Jessica Porteneur, a Sun City Village neighbor, who said Todashev lived in the community about two years.

Todashev’s roommates who was the first of the close-knit group of Chechens to emigrate to the U.S. in 2006.

His roomate: Chapkhanov, who works as a long-haul trucker.....came home Wednesday to discover his friend was dead at the hands of police.

the FBI had aggressively questioned Todashev

On Monday, Todashev gave one of the roommates his parents’ number, Chapkhanov said. “He said, ‘If anything happens to me, call them.’”

sheriff’s office report said Todashev left the scene while one of the victims was unconscious on the ground, his teeth knocked out and surrounded by a “considerable” amount of blood.

He also told police that several vehicles that were also following him were FBI agents.

his estranged wife, Reni Manukyan, a 24-year-old assistant hotel-housekeeping manager now living in Atlanta.

with a 19-year-old girlfriend at the Windhover condominiums, a mile from Universal Studios. There, he spent much of the last two months walking the landscaped sidewalks, swimming in the pool and recovering from knee surgery.


Manukyan told the Wall Street Journal she still shared a joint bank account with Todashev and helped support him. Chapkhavov said Todashev picked up odd jobs, but was supported in part by his girlfriend, who worked at a nearby Pizza Hut. it has been six months since she worked there Todashev listed the two-bedroom apartment at Sun Village Center as his address, but that is also home to a stream of Chechen friends, as many as eight who would come and go, Diaz said.


Todashev listed the two-bedroom apartment at Sun Village Center as his address, but that is also home to a stream of Chechen friends, as many as eight who would come and go, Diaz said.


“I know that after Boston, the police were here asking him questions,’’ said Aida Bennett, 73, who lived across from Todashev and his girlfriend’s condo. “He was very polite.”

ME: Come on guys .. this is just a big drug moving operation door never locked at least 8 people living (not living , really IMO it was place where everyone just came in messed up and crashed on the floor. And when could move again, out on the streets dealing and using.

BUT making money this is the second high end vehicle in the case

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/...suspects-death-accusations.html#storylink=cpy

Officials told NBC that Todashev had admitted to being involved in the slaying and that he turned violent when authorities pressured him to sign a statement based on his confession.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-suspect-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev.html#ixzz2UGVbGOYZ
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Pic of him with his friend who did media the last 24 hours:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...mgUdzjGIXv0QHR14DoCQ&ved=0CE8Q9QEwBw&dur=1504

Pretty sure this is his friends waiting outside his apt while FBI inside for over 8 hours
Khusen Taramov, 22, left, with Saeed Dunkaev, 25, and Muslim Chapkhnov

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/n...aev-and-muslim-chapkhnov-news-photo/169269133

His girlfriend
http://skydancingblog.com/2013/05/23/another-update-to-the-ever-expanding-boston-bombing-story/

His 24-year-old widow, Reni Manukyan, 24, said They never, ever—in all the interviews that I had and all the interviews that he had—never did they mention anything about a murder,” Ms. Manukyan said in a telephone interview. “Everything was about the bombing and about him knowing Tamerlan. They would show me a picture of Tamerlan or Tamerlan’s wife or some other guys that I haven’t a clue who they are, but nothing about a murder—nothing ever.”

Taramov, a fellow Chechen and immigrant from Russia, said his slain friend had been called almost daily by agents since the bombings, but Todashev had been assured that the Tuesday night interview would be the final one.“They told us they needed just one more interview,” he said. “They said the case was closed after this.” (ME: I wonder if they attempted to arrest him and that is when he lost it - feeling betrayed cause the ex wife is accurate they( FBI )did appear to be false in their real interest. ).

Fearful it would make them look suspicious, neither he nor Todashev had a lawyer present during the FBI questioning, Taramov said.


http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/201...iple-murder/T12hTgk4RubFutCdlw2J4O/story.html

 

[fruity]

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/manif...bombers-motive/story?id=19248888#.UZ_ly7UwqDQ

Just over a month after Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed during a standoff with police, investigators said they have begun to piece together a picture of what he did during a six-month visit last year to Dagestan, a volatile region in southern Russia that is home to Tsarneav's parents as well as a violent struggle with Islamist insurgency.
American investigators believe Tsarnaev traveled to Dagestan seeking to make contact with militant groups, but for reasons that remain unclear, he was either unable or unwilling to join their ranks.

As they peel back the layers of the man accused of working with his younger brother to set off a pair of bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon April 15, investigators said they are finding a frustrated young man who felt out of place in the United States.

They said Tsarnaev appears to have been largely self-radicalized before arriving in Dagestan in search of a lifestyle that may not have met his expectations either, according to U.S. officials close to or briefed on the investigation. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity.
The officials described Tsarnaev as a typical lone wolf.
While Tsarnaev's radicalization appears to have deepened during his time in Dagestan, investigators have not found a particular contact there or a "manifesto," on his computer or elsewhere that would explain why he and his younger brother Dzhokhar allegedly placed bombs at the finish line of the Boston Marathon, the officials said. Hours after Tamerlan was killed in the police shootout, Dzhokhar was apprehended and remains in custody.

While officials stressed the investigation is still ongoing, they have also found no signs that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was affiliated with an international terror organization like al Qaeda. Similarly, they have found no evidence to suggest he was directed to strike the U.S. by anyone he met in Dagestan. They have not found any signs of suspicious contacts during Tsarnaev's trips to visit his father's family in Chechnya, which has also battled an Islamist insurgency, and probes into Tsarnaev's father's rumored ties to Chechen security officials have also not revealed anything of concern, the officials said.

I've only snipped the beginning of the article. There is a lot of other information there, well worth the read.