Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #11 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

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Right, if the agitation is not caused by your rights being abused. He was never under arrest and if he wanted to leave , legally, he is totally free to do so , or be placed under a rest.

It should have not gotten into the 8th hour - that is the problem.

Again, please tell me how his rights were violated.
Do you know he asked to leave?
Do you know he asked them to leave?

I haven't seen any of that information.

When someone agrees to be questioned, there is no set time limit. UNLESS they are being held.

I haven't seen anything saying he was being held.
 
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Right, if the agitation is not caused by your rights being abused. He was never under arrest and if he wanted to leave , legally, he is totally free to do so , or be placed under a rest.

It should have not gotten into the 8th hour - that is the problem.

Who says?
 
  • #1,283
No,they wouldn't leave.But they should have slapped handcuffs on him when he was becoming violent.And they should have expected it.Shooting him? That's outrageous.

With all due respect . Handcuffs? Really??? Someone is becoming violent and you'd grab handcuffs and then what? Ask the guy to stick out his hands or wrestle him and his MMA butt to the ground and then try to get him in handcuffs? I don't care how many LE were there, the guy sent one Officer to the hospital, it was the duty of the others to protect.
 
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With all due respect . Handcuffs? Really??? Someone is becoming violent and you'd grab handcuffs and then what? Ask the guy to stick out his hands or wrestle him and his MMA butt to the ground and then try to get him in handcuffs? I don't care how many LE were there, the guy sent one Officer to the hospital, it was the duty of the others to protect.

Absolutely!
 
  • #1,285
Respectfully, we don't know how quickly he became violent, or what he was dpoing. I'll leave it up to LE to make those calls as needed, when needed. If he was cutting the FBI agent in the head with the knife, as has been rumored, that's certainly enough to warrant deadly force, considering this guys track record. But again, not my call, theirs. I'm glad they protected themselves/each other.
 
  • #1,286
More from the link posted on prior page:

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/w...en-man-fbi-shot-says-he-was-executed-1.307448

She said Tamerlan told her about Todashev, and that she and her husband had invited him to visit them in Russia, though he never came. Tamerlan later told them that he and Todashev were unlikely to continue training together since they practiced different sports, and he appeared to have lost track of him after Todashev moved to Florida, Tsarnaeva added.

BBM: but they barely new each other according to his friend and wife. Why would she invite IT to visit them in Russia? Why do I think there is more to this than questioning him on the triple murder?

The Tsarnaevs' parents have held fast to their belief that their sons were framed. Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, dressed all in black and still visibly distressed, showed AP several YouTube videos on an iPad she claimed cleared her sons. They could not be authenticated by the AP.

So mom and dad are using the conspiracy theorist videos to promote their propaganda against America. They were allowed into America as refugees, raised two sons that committed a horrible terrorist attack and of course it's all a set up. She and her sons disrespected our laws and were ungrateful for the opportunity that they were given. Now she is spewing this hate that not only is helping to fuel the already unstable in America, but abroad as well. Just what we need seeing as how there are already so many falling for the conspiracies that are floating around that are further seperating us in this country. Certain groups are loving the fact that the people are so divided.
 
  • #1,287
I don't understand, the fella was not under arrest, it was his home. If he wants the questioning to end, why did'nt the FBI just leave if he's getting aggitated, they are supposed to be professionals. Or get the dude a lawyer-he should not of been alone with FBI for 8 hours.

Fights about parking and road rage are really common, sadly not a big deal.. The FBI knew he was a MMA fighter, so their plan was-we will just shoot him if he gets upset?

So if an all American guy was in Chechnya (or any country) not under arrest in his own home-and the cops shoot him dead--the American public would find this acceptable?
MOO JMO blah blah

JMHO, but getting aggitated is certainly not a reason for FBI to stop questioning. Often quite a lot of information comes out after one gets agitated. I;m sure they had no clue he'd pull a knife on him.
 
  • #1,288
Again, please tell me how his rights were violated.
Do you know he asked to leave?
Do you know he asked them to leave?

I haven't seen any of that information.

When someone agrees to be questioned, there is no set time limit. UNLESS they are being held.

I haven't seen anything saying he was being held.
Sadly, we will never know if he asked the interrogation, after 8 hours to cease, but if you think about it in all likelihood anyone would want to stop after 8 hours – come on guys!

US Supreme Court rules that confessions obtained after six hours by federal investigators may not be admissible

In order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers
Unreasonable searches and seizures
Probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation
Nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,
To be confronted with the witnesses against him
Without due process of law
Deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
As far as interviewing goes if you are not arrested they have a reasonable amount of time to talk to you and get identification Information.
You're free to leave at any point during an interrogation.

Once you're in custody that's a different story.
You're not obligated to go questioning it's your choice unless they have a court order.
A very long interrogation may lead to a ruling that the confession was involuntary (and thus unreliable)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090513111034AAT9M3 this is called the right of silence you have no legal duty to answer any question, and you may refuse to answer.
…………….This is called the right of silence
A person is “stopped,” or “detained,” when an officer uses enough force, or a show of authority, to make a reasonable person feel he or she is not free to leave.
https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawFactsPamphlets/Pages/LawFactsPamphlet-21.aspx

The recalcitrant subject of an intelligence interrogation must be "broken" but broken for use like a riding horse, not smashed in the search for a single golden egg.

Since statements by the accused may be barred as court evidence on the ground that they were made under duress, during prolonged detention without charge,

The interview must of course be recorded, either on tape or in stenographic notes.

When the subject has ceased to resist his interrogators and is ready to talk freely he must be handled with great care, both because this attitude may change and because he may now have suicidal impulses. He should get better treatment and better detention conditions

In this chapter, we review three defining issues related to the interrogation of suspects..... Inappropriate interrogation techniques (e.g., overly long interrogations,
However, the length of the interview ……. made for a setting which was not conducive to the taking of a knowing and voluntary statement."
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...ence/kent-csi/vol2no3/html/v02i3a08p_0001.htm[PDF]

http://reid.com/reid_topics/length.html
 
  • #1,289
More from the link posted on prior page:

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/w...en-man-fbi-shot-says-he-was-executed-1.307448



BBM: but they barely new each other according to his friend and wife. Why would she invite IT to visit them in Russia? Why do I think there is more to this than questioning him on the triple murder?



So mom and dad are using the conspiracy theorist videos to promote their propaganda against America. They were allowed into America as refugees, raised two sons that committed a horrible terrorist attack and of course it's all a set up. She and her sons disrespected our laws and were ungrateful for the opportunity that they were given. Now she is spewing this hate that not only is helping to fuel the already unstable in America, but abroad as well. Just what we need seeing as how there are already so many falling for the conspiracies that are floating around that are further seperating us in this country. Certain groups are loving the fact that the people are so divided.
That is exactly what I said a few posts back - the world gave her a platform and she took it to spew anti American .
 
  • #1,290
Sadly, we will never know if he asked the interrogation, after 8 hours to cease, but if you think about it in all likelihood anyone would want to stop after 8 hours – come on guys!

US Supreme Court rules that confessions obtained after six hours by federal investigators may not be admissible

In order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers
Unreasonable searches and seizures
Probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation
Nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,
To be confronted with the witnesses against him
Without due process of law
Deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
As far as interviewing goes if you are not arrested they have a reasonable amount of time to talk to you and get identification Information.
You're free to leave at any point during an interrogation.

Once you're in custody that's a different story.
You're not obligated to go questioning it's your choice unless they have a court order.
A very long interrogation may lead to a ruling that the confession was involuntary (and thus unreliable)
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090513111034AAT9M3 this is called the right of silence you have no legal duty to answer any question, and you may refuse to answer.
…………….This is called the right of silence
A person is “stopped,” or “detained,” when an officer uses enough force, or a show of authority, to make a reasonable person feel he or she is not free to leave.
https://www.ohiobar.org/ForPublic/Resources/LawFactsPamphlets/Pages/LawFactsPamphlet-21.aspx

The recalcitrant subject of an intelligence interrogation must be "broken" but broken for use like a riding horse, not smashed in the search for a single golden egg.

Since statements by the accused may be barred as court evidence on the ground that they were made under duress, during prolonged detention without charge,

The interview must of course be recorded, either on tape or in stenographic notes.

When the subject has ceased to resist his interrogators and is ready to talk freely he must be handled with great care, both because this attitude may change and because he may now have suicidal impulses. He should get better treatment and better detention conditions

In this chapter, we review three defining issues related to the interrogation of suspects..... Inappropriate interrogation techniques (e.g., overly long interrogations,
However, the length of the interview ……. made for a setting which was not conducive to the taking of a knowing and voluntary statement."
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-...ence/kent-csi/vol2no3/html/v02i3a08p_0001.htm[PDF]

http://reid.com/reid_topics/length.html


So what is your theory? You think those agents went to his home to kill him?
 
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I am an (i don't want to go there) immigrant, my parents were not looking for a better life -they were running from their problems. I was actually raised to dislike Americans(i think its just a Euro thing) ya Know USA arrogant, loud, bad dressers,flaunt $, and guns and no culture- don't get upset-the French were not popular either.
Empathy or understanding i try to say.
I lost my country, my friends, my extended family, my culture and education, and of most importance to me- my pride and stability of my original life, the parents had each other, it did not effect them the same way.
I did get involved in gangs and such,(as soon as i arrived) i just went were i was welcome.. sniffing gas and glue - never did that in my country- but when in Rome, assimilate.
I just can't see these guys as important terrorists, they are not an army, just lone wolves i believe they call them.
Now domestic violence- how many adults and children have died this week- or today
 
  • #1,292
Again, we do not know what happened in the parking lot. We do not know if the guy threatened to kick him in his hurt knee, said good afternoon , that the problem noone is fleshing out the what happened s!
 
  • #1,293
I am an (i don't want to go there) immigrant, my parents were not looking for a better life -they were running from their problems. I was actually raised to dislike Americans(i think its just a Euro thing) ya Know USA arrogant, loud, bad dressers,flaunt $, and guns and no culture- don't get upset-the French were not popular either.
Empathy or understanding i try to say.
I lost my country, my friends, my extended family, my culture and education, and of most importance to me- my pride and stability of my original life, the parents had each other, it did not effect them the same way.
I did get involved in gangs and such,(as soon as i arrived) i just went were i was welcome.. sniffing gas and glue - never did that in my country- but when in Rome, assimilate.
I just can't see these guys as important terrorists, they are not an army, just lone wolves i believe they call them.
Now domestic violence- how many adults and children have died this week- or today

How can you say they were not 'important' terrorists? How many people were killed and maimed in Boston that day? Little innocent children killed and losing their arms and legs? Is that UNIMPORTANT ?

As for domestic violence, yes, a big problem. But why deflect from the problem at hand, and point the finger over there?

<MODSNIP>
 
  • #1,294
So what is your theory? You think those agents went to his home to kill him?
I think there were violations of rights. Again I am not saying anyone or anything is againist us. I am saying length of the interogation (and lack of any new info about what happened in detail) are food for thought.

Imagine it , we all read that in Iraq the govt interivewed someone for 8 hours, with no arrest, and he is shot.

We would all be IMO, up in arms - what they kept him for 8 hours and still did not have anything to arrest him on .
 
  • #1,295
How can you say they were not 'important' terrorists? How many people were killed and maimed in Boston that day? Little innocent children killed and losing their arms and legs? Is that UNIMPORTANT ?

As for domestic violence, yes, a big problem. But why deflect from the problem at hand, and point the finger over there?

I am sorry that you were dragged here to this awful country. I assume you are now grown? Have you made plans to move to somewhere less horrible yet?

Thanks.

I'm horribly offended. My parents/grandparents/great grandparents fought hard for the freedoms that are ours.

This is the best damn country in the world.

JMO
 
  • #1,296
I am an (i don't want to go there) immigrant, my parents were not looking for a better life -they were running from their problems. I was actually raised to dislike Americans(i think its just a Euro thing) ya Know USA arrogant, loud, bad dressers,flaunt $, and guns and no culture- don't get upset-the French were not popular either.
Empathy or understanding i try to say.
I lost my country, my friends, my extended family, my culture and education, and of most importance to me- my pride and stability of my original life, the parents had each other, it did not effect them the same way.
I did get involved in gangs and such,(as soon as i arrived) i just went were i was welcome.. sniffing gas and glue - never did that in my country- but when in Rome, assimilate.
I just can't see these guys as important terrorists, they are not an army, just lone wolves i believe they call them.
Now domestic violence- how many adults and children have died this week- or today
Nicely done!
 
  • #1,297
I think there were violations of rights. Again I am not saying anyone or anything is againist us. I am saying length of the interogation (and lack of any new info about what happened in detail) are food for thought.

Imagine it , we all read that in Iraq the govt interivewed someone for 8 hours, with no arrest, and he is shot.

We would all be IMO, up in arms - what they kept him for 8 hours and still did not have anything to arrest him on .

Again, we have seen NOTHING regarding a violation of rights.

These are the blind accusations that muddy conversation.
 
  • #1,298
How can you say they were not 'important' terrorists? How many people were killed and maimed in Boston that day? Little innocent children killed and losing their arms and legs? Is that UNIMPORTANT ?

As for domestic violence, yes, a big problem. But why deflect from the problem at hand, and point the finger over there?

I am sorry that you were dragged here to this awful country. I assume you are now grown? Have you made plans to move to somewhere less horrible yet?
How many people were killed and maimed in Boston that day?

How many people were killed and maimed in the Fertilizer Explosion. Noone knows one thing about it a month and half later.
What we do know , it it killed more people, and much more damage than Boston.
Nothing -- we know nothing!
 
  • #1,299
Thanks.

I'm horribly offended. My parents/grandparents/great grandparents fought hard for the freedoms that are ours.

This is the best damn country in the world.

JMO
When you say best , what does that mean for you?
 
  • #1,300
Again, we have seen NOTHING regarding a violation of rights.

These are the blind accusations that muddy conversation.


I am clear as a bell in my convictions as you yours. I do not get muddy when someone disagrees with me!
 
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