Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #9 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[Elley Mae]

Are/Were they immigrants or refugees?

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Immigrant_vs_Refugee

An Immigrant is an individual who leaves one’s country to settle in another, whereas refugees are defined as persons, who move out of one’s country due to restriction or danger to their lives.

Immigration is considered a natural phenomenon in population ecology, whereas the refugee movement occurs only under some kind of coercion or pressure.

Just curious, cus I don't trust the journalist to get it right.

 

[CARIIS]

It's Crapo for real. They showed the site sign on Fox.

Drugs, local mafia, separatists, rebels, jihadi, the Russian secret service, it's all tangled up, sometimes overlapping. This is going to be the subject of scholarly inquiries, conspiracy theories from every angle, books, tv mini-series for years to come. I hope we can come close to the truth eventually.

Is it really - WOW that is marketing!!

Hey, lets put it this way -----it took how long to be told there were no WMD!

 

[CARIIS]

I haven't been able to read as throughly here at WS this weekend.

But Norwegian media is reporting today that that the Russians had tapped TT and mother ZT's phones and they were discussing "holy war".

Is this correct?

I have heard stuff like that but who knows huh?

 

[CARIIS]

You think her parents should be advising her to 'tone down the whole muslim thing?' She's a grown woman who converted to Islam! I'm guessing what people think of her headscarf is the least of her problems right now.

I came across this short but thoughtful article this morning: The Curious Case of Katherine Russell
It's about how the media has focused on KT, not as a suspect, but as the "all American girl, turned Muslim":



Just something to think about...

But see....... there is all "that" again.

You think her parents should be advising her to 'tone down the whole muslim thing.

Tone down the whole jew thing. Tone down that africian american thing. Tone down the homosexual thing. Tone down that Chritian thing.

It is these mindsets, on both sides here, that are the core issue ..........

 

[marlywings]

I haven't been able to read as throughly here at WS this weekend.

But Norwegian media is reporting today that that the Russians had tapped TT and mother ZT's phones and they were discussing "holy war".

Is this correct?

In early 2011, the Russian FSB internal security service intercepted a conversation between Tamerlan and his mother vaguely discussing jihad, according to U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation with reporters.

The two discussed the possibility of Tamerlan going to Palestine, but he told his mother he didn't speak the language there, according to the officials, who reviewed the information Russia shared with the U.S.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/27/boston-suspect-russia-wiretap.html

 

[ami]

Not sure if this has been posted yet - I haven't checked in here today.

Basically, they are saying that there was a green Honda Civic - just like the one TT and DT dumped earlier before carjacking the SUV ** - at the scene of the shootout between LE and TT/DT. It was behind the SUV. ** they didn't dump it before the carjacking - they dumped it in Watertown after DT followed the carjacked Mercedes for quite a while

Possibilities (IMO):
1) it's someone else's vehicle
2) they went back and got it before heading to Watertown in both vehicles (not likely)
3) someone else (accomplice) drove it there (probably not likely either)

The reason I think 2 and 3 aren't likely is because if they were on the run from LE, then you'd think they would not go back and chance getting a vehicle that they know LE is looking for. But for some reason, this green Honda at the scene has supposedly caught the attention of LE.

In the carjacking narrative (http://www.boston.com/2013/04/25/bombcarjack/1BtfEbMP8X2D8wDmhkzKNO/story.html) :

- TT carjacks the Mercedes while DT follows in the green Honda (Danny just calls it an "older sedan")

- They drove from Fordham & Commonwealth circuitously through some suburbs, crossed the river and ultimately ended up in Watertown, where DT ditched the Honda on a side street.

(from the above linked article): Directed to a quiet neighborhood in East Watertown, Danny pulled up as told on an unfamiliar side street. The sedan stopped behind him. A man approached -- the skinnier, floppy-haired “Suspect No. 2” in the photos and videos released by investigators earlier that evening -- and Tamerlan got out, ordering Danny into the passenger seat, making it clear if he tried anything he would shoot him. For several minutes, the brothers transferred heavy objects from the smaller car into Danny’s SUV. “Luggage,” Danny thought.

- So now the Honda is on a sidestreet in Watertown, and both brothers are in the carjacked Mercedes with some of their transferred explosives. They drive around some more. Then....

Doubling back, they returned to the Watertown neighborhood -- “Fairfield Street,” Danny saw on the sign this time -- and grabbed a few more things from the parked car, but nothing from the trunk.

I don't know if "Fairfield Street" was the sign he saw and memorized as they were in the neighborhood or if that's literally the street the car was parked on - I personally think he memorized the street sign they passed while coming from/to the Honda. Anyway, they are now transferring even more things from the Honda, which is still parked on a side street in Watertown.

Later, after Danny escaped, the brothers apparently went back to claim the Honda in Watertown (this makes sense: their victim had just escaped and would be able to ID them and ID the car - therefore they were probably going to transfer back to the anonymous Honda) ... and their travels back to the Honda led the police to follow them there (Danny's phone/GPS signal being easily tracked) and then began the shootout.

[from this article: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...atertown-shootout-after-boston-bombing?lite]:

....a green Honda that appears to be the same car that was parked on Laurel Street, in Watertown, during the 200-round shootout there.

So as far as I can read the narrative, they didn't have to "go back for" the Honda, since that was the place they parked it earlier. I think that the shootout actually happened when they went back to the Honda for the second time that night.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-04-28-08-40-42

Boston suspects' father postpones trip to US

The father of the two Boston bombing suspects says he is postponing a trip to the United States because of poor health.

 

[CARIIS]

I haven't been able to read as throughly here at WS this weekend.

But Norwegian media is reporting today that that the Russians had tapped TT and mother ZT's phones and they were discussing "holy war".

Is this correct?

Past or present tense tapped or currently tapping!

 

[CARIIS]

Are/Were they immigrants or refugees?

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Immigrant_vs_Refugee

An Immigrant is an individual who leaves one’s country to settle in another, whereas refugees are defined as persons, who move out of one’s country due to restriction or danger to their lives.

Immigration is considered a natural phenomenon in population ecology, whereas the refugee movement occurs only under some kind of coercion or pressure.

Just curious, cus I don't trust the journalist to get it right.

Thanx helful post!

 

[CARIIS]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-04-28-08-40-42

Boston suspects' father postpones trip to US

The father of the two Boston bombing suspects says he is postponing a trip to the United States because of poor health.

I posted article earlier , but apparently dad does have cancer. By that I mean has been a issue for years.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Translation of russian rant. Apparently no mention that it may be Bibo Boboev. They think it's one of the brothers. http://videos.huffingtonpost.com/marathon-bombing-suspects-internet-rant-translated-517750849

 

[hockeymom]

In the carjacking narrative (http://www.boston.com/2013/04/25/bombcarjack/1BtfEbMP8X2D8wDmhkzKNO/story.html) :

- TT carjacks the Mercedes while DT follows in the green Honda (Danny just calls it an "older sedan")

- They drove from Fordham & Commonwealth circuitously through some suburbs, crossed the river and ultimately ended up in Watertown, where DT ditched the Honda on a side street.

(from the above linked article): Directed to a quiet neighborhood in East Watertown, Danny pulled up as told on an unfamiliar side street. The sedan stopped behind him. A man approached -- the skinnier, floppy-haired “Suspect No. 2” in the photos and videos released by investigators earlier that evening -- and Tamerlan got out, ordering Danny into the passenger seat, making it clear if he tried anything he would shoot him. For several minutes, the brothers transferred heavy objects from the smaller car into Danny’s SUV. “Luggage,” Danny thought.

- So now the Honda is on a sidestreet in Watertown, and both brothers are in the carjacked Mercedes with some of their transferred explosives. They drive around some more. Then....

Doubling back, they returned to the Watertown neighborhood -- “Fairfield Street,” Danny saw on the sign this time -- and grabbed a few more things from the parked car, but nothing from the trunk.

I don't know if "Fairfield Street" was the sign he saw and memorized as they were in the neighborhood or if that's literally the street the car was parked on - I personally think he memorized the street sign they passed while coming from/to the Honda. Anyway, they are now transferring even more things from the Honda, which is still parked on a side street in Watertown.

Later, after Danny escaped, the brothers apparently went back to claim the Honda in Watertown (this makes sense: their victim had just escaped and would be able to ID them and ID the car - therefore they were probably going to transfer back to the anonymous Honda) ... and their travels back to the Honda led the police to follow them there (Danny's phone/GPS signal being easily tracked) and then began the shootout.

[from this article: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...atertown-shootout-after-boston-bombing?lite]:

....a green Honda that appears to be the same car that was parked on Laurel Street, in Watertown, during the 200-round shootout there.

So as far as I can read the narrative, they didn't have to "go back for" the Honda, since that was the place they parked it earlier. I think that the shootout actually happened when they went back to the Honda for the second time that night.

What I don't understand is why there was a "Be On the Look out" for that car,the next day? Didn't they have it in their custody? I'm confused.

 

[jjenny]

Translation of russian rant. Apparently no mention that it may be BB. They think it's one of the brothers. http://videos.huffingtonpost.com/marathon-bombing-suspects-internet-rant-translated-517750849

Well, it really doesn't matter what they think. That same video was posted a year ago under the name BB. Also, in another video that same guy has a hat with a name B on it.
And he doesn't even look like TT. Just look at his nose and compare to TT's nose.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Well, it really doesn't matter what the think. That same video was posted a year ago under the name BB. Also, in another video that same guy has a hat with a name B on it. Also first accent is Armenian. He doesn't even mention Chechnya at all
And he doesn't even look like TT. Just look at his nose and compare to TT's nose.

I have contacted them so they can check it out. Though I can recognize other languages, Russian and Armenian are not languages I'm very familiar with. Very Very limited vocabulary at best.

 

[Capri]

Past or present tense tapped or currently tapping!

past tense. The Russians gave FBI the info on the tappings this past week, but they were from some time ago.

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-russia-caught-bomb-suspect-wiretap-211814701.html

 

[CARIIS]

How come this does not appear to "appear"…cover up --have any of you heard anything ? I think it was terrorism.

……killed 14 people, injured more than 160 and destroyed dozens of buildings. Yet unlike the tragedy in Boston, the Texas plant explosion began to vanish from cable TV…
…
http://articles.washingtonpost.co
m/2013-04-23/opinions/38752615_1_mine-explosion-workplace-safety-upper-big-branch-mine

A 100$ million disaster and we know nothing?

Texas Fertilizer Plant Explosion's Cost Likely To Exceed $100 Million: Trade Group

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/texas-fertilizer-plant-explosion-cost_n_3147872.html

Nothing is amiss here?

 

[CARIIS]

http://securitydebrief.com/2013/04/24/business-cost-boston-bombings/

 

[jjenny]

Another variation: DT's uncle spells his name Tsarni.

That's not a variation. Tsarnaev is not the same as Tsarni. They had to have changed the last name.

 

[Just K]

For the record:
Re: KRT
My point is that she has chosen one of the most conservative forms of Islamic attire. It appears, the only thing she doesn't cover is her hands and part of her face. Just an observation...meaning among the many choices for Islamic women, from western or popular current fashion, to a simple scarf, a more elaborate hijab (covering the head and neck,) to a hijab & long heavy & layered clothing down to covering the toes, and finally to cover everything except her eyes...she chose the 2nd most conservative.

Point here is that she obviously believes that she as a woman, as opposed to men, ought to be covering 90+% of her body as a gesture, IMO of modesty.

Of course that is a personal choice but it also reflects a more conservative belief of a woman's obligations within society as opposed to those of men.

Whether anyone else believes that what is good for the goose ought to be good for the gander doesn't really matter. But, at least with ZT and KRT neither of their husbands felt the need to wear traditional or conservative attire yet their wives do. It is just curious and especially curious when the woman has either gone the majority of her life wearing modern popular styles and either converts or becomes more committed to the beliefs.

It is just an observation.

On a personal note: I live in one of the most diverse urban areas of the country. In this US city, Anglo-Saxon/European decent citizens are the minority and even here, in this major metropolitan area, the full body coverings are still the minority. Just saying, KRT's belief's were more conservative.

MO, this whole conversation has been blown out of proportion. She can believe and dress any way she wants to...that is her choice. Personally, I don't give a rat's a## how she dresses. I am more concerned as to whether her views on jihad are leaning toward her husband's extremism.

 

[jjenny]

I have contacted them so they can check it out. Though I can recognize other languages, Russian and Armenian are not languages I'm very familiar with. Very Very limited vocabulary at best.

There are videos posted on youtube with translation on them.
First skit he is doing he is talking in Russian with an Armenian accent.
And if you look at the comments, a lot of people realize this is BB and not TT.