Tes search for caylee is over

[Chilly Willy]

Do you think LP could have more information than LE? Only because his people were with KC most of the time and I wonder how he could make the connection today shortly after TES announced they were done searching. He comes to save the day? Some think I agree with what he said in his synopsis of what happened or his theory of what happened. I don't agree. I was just transcribing for those that couldn't watch Murt's live feed. I cannot help but think it was all done this way for LP's resume. I don't know if you watched the live feed but when Murt arrived at the scene (LP CALLED HIM TO COME RIGHT OVER- LATE DISCOVERY) the only people there were LP and a guy that looked like Jesse Grund sp? and one officer from the sheriffs dept. ...JMO

I don't think LP knows anything more than the rest of us, LE does not share investigation information with bounty hunters. The cross was found during the first search - it is not the new discovery LP made it out to be. This whole thing looks to me like LP trying to keep the spotlight focused on himself. Unfortunately, where his other crazy theories only created chaos for those who follow the case, people will be investing time and money into this one. Maybe, finally, everyone will see LP's true colors. All I can say is it's about time.

 

[debs]

Godspeed, Mr. Miller. Your valiant efforts demonstrate the best our world has to offer. Be at peace. There are others waiting for you to find them.

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

Does anyone else find it odd that the female BH was there?

 

[Pink Panther]

Does anyone else find it odd that the female BH was there?

Where?

 

[Feebdawg]

Bare with me here...but if Casey was smart enough to know how to switch the sim card back and forth, why are they relying so much on the cell phone pings? Maybe the "well dressed man" was doing all of those text messages? While she was somewhere else dumping the body? She knows that they can get the pings.

 

[AutomaticAuttie]

Where?

I thought she helped in the search?

 

[cocoamom]

Some links with info on the Econ and little Econ river:

http://funandsun.com/1tocf/natf/canu/econ.html

http://outdoortravels.com/biking_fl_overview_littleecontrail.html

Here are a couple of pictures - notice the trees and "scrub" in the background and sides of the pic. THAT is what we were in - up to 100yards in.. PS I hope I can upload these right and stuff!

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[cocoamom]

The pics were from the internet, NOT my search!

 

[Just__me]

Your are sooo right....CA says they had a live sighting of Caylee early this morning!!!!:furious::furious::furious: Bolded by me in ur post. I really wish this could end up true but I know in my heart it isn't!

IF and I mean IF, there was a live sighting and GA and CA drove to Gainesville last night...WHY did GA not mention it today when he went to the Kid finder command center? The last time CA said there was a live sighting was when TM was here the last time... lying that she is! :furious:

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

OFF TOPIC......I don't know how to start a thread, but maybe it would be a nice way to show our thanks and love for Tim Miller in a thread of kind words and encouragement for all he has done for Caylee.....AND all the relentless searches he has lead for other lost persons, and the next searches he will be doing in NC. It looks like that good man has the weight of the world on his shoulders. May God bless him for all his selfless work.

 

[NancyT]

I am sad to report that the acid in a gator's stomach is so powerful that even bones are digested. Unless the gator is killed within a few hours, any limb or anything they have eaten will be too "damaged" to recover. This image is constantly being pushed OUT of my mind for darling Caylee! NO!

I don't find this hard to believe. Even a dog can digest bones.

I'm more interested in clothing, shoes, etc.. Can they also digest this? I know they say sharks have been found to have eaten license plates, etc.. and once cut open, the license plates (and other junk) is in pretty dang good condition and just lays in the stomach till death. Is it similar with gators?

I know it's horrible, but I'm wondering if there could be clothing remnants around the area? No one wants to think about it, but if that's the only clue as to what happened, it would be better than nothing.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I am just disgusted with Cindy and Casey.

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

Does anyone else find it odd that the female BH was there?

This is the first I've heard of this. Where did you hear this? Is there a link? I don't know that I would find it odd...but interesting none the less.

 

[cocoamom]

What happens to the clothing a human is wearing if they so happen to become a part of the gator's diet? Do they digest that? Do they get it shredded and out of their mouths before swallowing?

you asked for it!

MS ALLIGATOR STOMACH CONTENT RESEARCH:

New data was recorded during the Pascagoula Alligator Hunt. The Biology Department at the University of Southern Mississippi is interested in determining how frequent aquatic turtles are in the diet of coastal alligators. So, graduate students were allowed to obtain stomach contents from all harvested alligators. To obtain the stomach samples without damaging the carcass or skin of the harvested alligators, a PVC pipe which was attached to a water hose, was inserted into the stomach through the mouth of each gator while at the checking station. Water was then injected through the pipe to flush the stomach contents into a large container. While complete analysis will take quite some time, there were a few obvious items recognized during the rough analysis. Some items were expected, such as: blue crabs, various fish, parts of snakes, nutria, and birds. Some unique items found were; plastic bags, pieces of wood (mostly cypress), a pantyhose, a sausage wrapper, pieces of vegetation, a piece of a broken red tail-light lens, and a used shotgun hull (12 gauge Winchester). These same type of odd items have been found in other studies. Alligators are known to swallow anything caught with food items that are captured and will also readily eat discarded garbage items. So, our preliminary observations support the description of alligators as the "garbage disposals of the wetlands."

Above article from a Mississippi (I think) Alligator hunt.

Here is a good link with a study at a Florida lake of Alligator diets:

http://myfwc.com/GATORS/research/griffin/slides1.htm

 

[panthera]

Bare with me here...but if Casey was smart enough to know how to switch the sim card back and forth, why are they relying so much on the cell phone pings? Maybe the "well dressed man" was doing all of those text messages? While she was somewhere else dumping the body? She knows that they can get the pings.

I'm following you but the person who would actually be using her phone coincidentally is texting the same people she would be, like TonE and Amy. Or are you thinking they're helping her cover up Caylee's death and are following Casey's instructions?

 

[legallee]

CA is ???? I don't even know what to say about this....

<snipped>
ORLANDO, Fla. -- After a long weekend of searching for 3-year-old Caylee Anthony, TM of Texas Equusearch said the decision to leave breaks his heart.

But there are other families of missing people who need their resources.

Meanwhile grandmother CA said they responded to a live sighting of Caylee early Sunday morning.
http://www.wesh.com/news/17943280/detail.html

She makes me ill along with KC..they r two of a kind that's for sure!

I don't believe any of these sightings would be Caylee, even IF there wasn't the decomp evidence. Who in their right mind would take that child into the public? I mean come on, she's all over the news! And if someone really had her, they'd know this. They would be laying low right now.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Yeah, I hear ya. But thing is - if the dogs hit in decomp in the parents backyard and the drowning was intentional (hence not being reported), how long would Caylee have had to been dead before the odor of decomp would set in to the ground she was laid upon. Was KC ever at her parents home during her and Caylee's 'disappearance' timeframe long enough to drown Caylee and then let her decompose enough for her scent to be picked up by dogs about a month later? Then there are the reports of the shovel and KC pulling into her parents garage backwards while they weren't home and shortly after KC had left the home with Caylee on the 15th/16th. ???

The afternoon of June 16th is the day an accidental (or theoretically an intentional) drowning could have occurred. As to your other questions I had to go in search of answers to these very interesting questions. Turns out cadaver dogs can pick up the scent of someone within minutes of the time of death (ie where gases have been forming as little as ten minutes) with amazing accuracy--and the success rate of which only slightly decreases relative to the amount of time body is in contact w that location.

"One of the questions surrounding human cadaver dogs is how soon after death they can recognise a corpse, and how long a "fresh" corpse must remain in one place for a dog to detect that it has been there. In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out--of a line-up of six new carpet squares--the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation."

The next paragraphs naturally caused me to hope these highly trained dogs have continued to be heavily used in search efforts despite not seeing them recently--which doesn't mean they have not, or could not, continue to be used effectively. Amazing.

But how good are dogs at detecting a skeleton from which all the flesh has fallen away? The anthropologist Keith Jacobi of the University of Alabama has investigated this at a police-dog training facility, where human remains ranging from fresh to skeletonised have been buried (the remains were bequeathed by donors).

In one study involving four dogs and their handlers, Jacobi says the dogs were able to detect remains at all stages of decomposition. Performance varied between dogs, but some could locate skeletonised remains buried in an area of 300ft by 150ft. "The few single human vertebrae I used in the study were well over 25 years old, and dry bone," Jacobi says. "This made the discovery of one of these vertebrae, which we buried in dense woods 2ft deep, by a cadaver dog pretty remarkable."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...uth-behind-the-crimescene-canines-835047.html

 

[Chilly Willy]

I don't believe any of these sightings would be Caylee, even IF there wasn't the decomp evidence. Who in their right mind would take that child into the public? I mean come on, she's all over the news! And if someone really had her, they'd know this. They would be laying low right now.

Not that I believe the child was actually Caylee, but there have been many times that kidnappers were caught because they took their victims out in public. Kidnappers are not people 'in their right mind."

 

[Themis]

It was said that the beads match the ones Casey was pictured wearing. Those were not, IMO, toy beads like what are found in the kid's section. There is no link to my observation.

LOL, Chilly, we can tell you're not a quilter or crafter. Beading is an art form and beads can be in kits or purchased by single beads. They can be expensive. The is a whole 'nother culture like those avid about quilting or embroidering. The range of merchandise to support it goes from cheap to expensive. There are simple, inexpensive kits for kids and very expensive ones for the experienced. Beaded clothing, bags, jewelry and the like can be very high-end. It can also be unique. An original, designer, or well-made outfit or accessories with crystal beads, bead pearls or high quality sequins can cost thousands. The beads and materials can be highly recognizable. Apparently, the female bounty hunter identified the same beads and materials in KC's possession when she spent a week with her. Legally, this could be like a signature piece. The knotting, type of material for a string, type of bead, pattern and other things can identify a bead artist. Even the bead count can be an identifier of the artist.

 

[Nana46]

I think it is hard for us to imagine what she did with her...and if it ever comes out I feel we will all be shaking our heads....we gotta remember one important thing here....she managed to keep people thinking she had a job for TWO years....she is not stupid.