The Alarm/Security System

[creepingskills]

Position 7 says "Wireless" ?? Is this a hybrid type security system? Hardwired and wireless? Anyone knows?

-Nin

Isn't this a list of zones to be armed/disarmed? So "wireless" is a zone in the house the same way "living room" is? :thinking: Thoroughly confused.

 

[LaLaw2000]

This is one of the things I had a hunch LE released for MS benefit. I still say there are photos interspersed in the release especially meant for him to see. Two different codes used?

ETA: IMO, special closing could mean remote.

JMO

 

[creepingskills]

NIN...excellent and helpful! Hmmm, so the $64,000 Question is: If Bonnie Sievers is USER CODE 40..Who is USER CODE 03??? Ya' know the one who was doing all the "Special" closings?
Does "special closing" mean it was done by a cell phone code to arm it? (Just asking because if ONLY BONNIE SIEVERS had access.... there should have been only ONE USER CODE, right??)
ETA and USER CODE 03 was accessing the system even before CWW & JRR hit Bonita Springs!!
This is weird, because "I almost understand what I am asking!:blushing:"

FWIW, very possible its a mobile app arming the system. JMO after some googling...

Special Closing- If the system is armed without an access code
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/804215/Alexor-Pc9155-433-868.html?page=58

Special Closing means that a closing (arming of the system) has happened without a known user.
You will also see this if you arm with a wireless FOB.
http://forum.eyez-on.com/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=88

Special Closing: transmitted if the partition(s) is armed using any of the following methods:
Quick ArmAuto-arm
Arming via the DLS Software
Arming via Keyswitch
Away Function Key Arming
Arming with the Maintenance Code
Stay Function Key arming
http://www.manualslib.com/manual/841473/Dsc-Power832pc5010-Cp-01.html?page=38

 

[LaLaw2000]

Thanks for that info, creepingskills!

 

[Satchie]

I'll try to put together a document on a google drive tomorrow. Many of the times are unreadable. A quick way to view them is if you use windows, use the snipping tool on the pdf binder above, as you highlight to snip the alarm's message window, it changes the contrast so the message can be viewed.

I would like to know what the messages mean before jumping to conclusions. But here's some more in the sequence I could decipher:

15:
0021 - system
4:18p 06/26/15
16:
Armed in
Stay Mode
17:
0020 - system
3?:54a 06/27/15
18:
Opening by
User Code 03
19:
0019-System
?:58a 06/27/15
20:
Closing by
User Code 03
21:
0018-System
?:58a 06/27/15
22:
Armed in Stay mode

 

[IQuestion]

Yes, I know I can be slow, but I FINALLY GET IT!
The DSC system on the pictures CAN BE ACCESSED FROM AN IPHONE....not just monitored, but also turned off and on. It has been available since JUNE 2013!!! So a person could be in New York (that just jumped into my head) and set the alarm from another state?? Wow, the things you can do with technology. And, if your system had "security cameras"....you could also see who was lurking in the area. But those security cameras weren't installed UNTIL AFTER June 30th.... and by MS's bf CWW, imagine that?
The process is explained in this very short 38 second video for the DSC explaining how!
[video=youtube;lv3k--741dY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv3k--741dY[/video]

 

[Scout]

The data downloaded from the keypad by the security company seems to show tampering, in my admittedly unlearned opinion.

#14 on the activity log is Opening by User Code 03 at 6:09a on 6/28/15.

Immediately after that is:
Secure System Before Arming

I looked up a user manual and learned this will display when a window or door is open or when there is motion in an area covered by motion detectors.

In Stay mode the door and window sensors are active but the motion detectors are not. The Sievers used Stay mode even when they were away because the dogs and cat would set off the motion detectors.

The next item on the activity log is BS arming the system at 8:01a on Sunday morning. This should have been #13 (they are in reverse order, more recent having a lower number than earlier). However, it was logged as #14 again, just like the 6:09a Opening.

CWW used to work for a security company. IMO, the reason he disarmed the system at 6:09a was so that he could tamper with it so that it would not work correctly from that point on.

When BS Closed at 8:01a, it armed in Away mode. She would not have done that as she knew the dogs would trigger the motion detectors in Away mode. She specified this in her interview.

Additionally, even though the system was armed in Away mode from 8:01a until BS returned at about 4pm, the dogs did not trigger the motion detectors. She was very surprised and puzzled by this when the detective showed her it had been armed in Away mode.

I'm thinking CWW tampered with the keypad, the sensor on the door between the garage and laundry room, and the motion sensors. He wanted to ensure they could enter later without setting off the alarm and without needing to disarm the system with the keypad.

I think BS leaving the system disarmed that afternoon was just a coincidence. IMO, it wouldn't have worked properly that evening even if she had armed it.

 

[howonkee]

Position 7 says "Wireless" ?? Is this a hybrid type security system? Hardwired and wireless? Anyone knows?

-Nin

Many of these cans be hard-wired or battery, in case of a power outage.

Isn't this a list of zones to be armed/disarmed? So "wireless" is a zone in the house the same way "living room" is? :thinking: Thoroughly confused.

I believe there are two separate issues here. One has to do with how the system gets it's electricity to operate which would be hard wired or battery. The other is how the system receives it's signals from it's users, either manually as in pushing the buttons or wireless as in by remote.

 

[creepingskills]

The data downloaded from the keypad by the security company seems to show tampering, in my admittedly unlearned opinion.

#14 on the activity log is Opening by User Code 03 at 6:09a on 6/28/15.

Immediately after that is:
Secure System Before Arming

I looked up a user manual and learned this will display when a window or door is open or when there is motion in an area covered by motion detectors.

In Stay mode the door and window sensors are active but the motion detectors are not. The Sievers used Stay mode even when they were away because the dogs and cat would set off the motion detectors.

The next item on the activity log is BS arming the system at 8:01a on Sunday morning. This should have been #13 (they are in reverse order, more recent having a lower number than earlier). However, it was logged as #14 again, just like the 6:09a Opening.

CWW used to work for a security company. IMO, the reason he disarmed the system at 6:09a was so that he could tamper with it so that it would not work correctly from that point on.

When BS Closed at 8:01a, it armed in Away mode. She would not have done that as she knew the dogs would trigger the motion detectors in Away mode. She specified this in her interview.

Additionally, even though the system was armed in Away mode from 8:01a until BS returned at about 4pm, the dogs did not trigger the motion detectors. She was very surprised and puzzled by this when the detective showed her it had been armed in Away mode.

I'm thinking CWW tampered with the keypad, the sensor on the door between the garage and laundry room, and the motion sensors. He wanted to ensure they could enter later without setting off the alarm and without needing to disarm the system with the keypad.

I think BS leaving the system disarmed that afternoon was just a coincidence. IMO, it wouldn't have worked properly that evening even if she had armed it.

IIRC Statewide inspected the system and found no faults. If CWW tampered with the hardware (or software), Statewide should have noticed. Evidence of tampering with the panel would explain the system failing. :moo:

 

[mikeinmo]

I believe there are two separate issues here. One has to do with how the system gets it's electricity to operate which would be hard wired or battery. The other is how the system receives it's signals from it's users, either manually as in pushing the buttons or wireless as in by remote.

I just had an AT&T system installed, it is totally wireless, battery back up with the CPU, away function sets all alarms, stay function is for at night alarm on but motion and others programmed not armed, each switch eg window door is separate and independent, front dead bolt is tied in for open and close with key pad. any smart phone with the proper app can be programmed for the system

 

[IQuestion]

User Code 03 is Bonnie Sievers.
User Code 40 would be the master code used by Mark and/or Teresa.

Special Closing shows when the system is armed without putting in a User Code. A user code isn't necessary to arm the system but is required to disarm the system.

Mark and/or Teresa were using Special Closing. Mark had told Bonnie that it wasn't necessary for her to input her code to arm the system. Just push Stay when she was leaving. That's what she did on Friday evening. Saturday morning she used her code to close. Saturday evening she just pushed Stay. When she arrived Sunday morning and realized the alarm was off, she assumed that just pushing Stay didn't work. So she used her code to close. Sunday afternoon she left it unarmed at Mark's instruction.

Oh SCOUT...You mean to tell me I had all of this backwards? (One day I will learn to stay out of the technical stuff and leave it to the experts....cuz I am thoroughly confused.) So accepting your explanation of events; why did MS tell/blame his Mother for the system problems, when he could have controlled it from his phone?
Since Teresa was already at the airport (and possibly boarding when BS called MS to talk about the alarm.) is their any indication her husband informed her that the system was not armed? Because if this was all one big "mess up" and JRR and CWW just happened to walk into an unoccupied house at 6:09AM.....why would they go away (to shop, eat, hang out at the beach) for 16 hours and chance coming back to a house that could NOW be possibly armed??? Why not just stay there, take their time and rob the place without having to turn on any lights?
SCOUT, you are a very sharp poster. Can you help me understand.... because something just doesn't gel.

 

[Scout]

IIRC Statewide inspected the system and found no faults. If CWW tampered with the hardware (or software), Statewide should have noticed. Evidence of tampering with the panel would explain the system failing. :moo:

"Should have" are the key words. Statewide should also have noticed and explained how two separate events which occurred nearly two hours apart could be logged as the same number -- #14 on that display.

IMO, CWW was capable of tampering with the system after arriving and disarming it at 6:09a. Whatever he did, he could have undone after the murder.

It's important to remember that Teresa could have easily armed the system as soon as she entered the house. All it would take is to press Stay on the keypad. But she didn't. Why not?

 

[Satchie]

The data downloaded from the keypad by the security company seems to show tampering, in my admittedly unlearned opinion.

#14 on the activity log is Opening by User Code 03 at 6:09a on 6/28/15.

Immediately after that is:
Secure System Before Arming

I looked up a user manual and learned this will display when a window or door is open or when there is motion in an area covered by motion detectors.

In Stay mode the door and window sensors are active but the motion detectors are not. The Sievers used Stay mode even when they were away because the dogs and cat would set off the motion detectors.

The next item on the activity log is BS arming the system at 8:01a on Sunday morning. This should have been #13 (they are in reverse order, more recent having a lower number than earlier). However, it was logged as #14 again, just like the 6:09a Opening.

CWW used to work for a security company. IMO, the reason he disarmed the system at 6:09a was so that he could tamper with it so that it would not work correctly from that point on.

When BS Closed at 8:01a, it armed in Away mode. She would not have done that as she knew the dogs would trigger the motion detectors in Away mode. She specified this in her interview.

Additionally, even though the system was armed in Away mode from 8:01a until BS returned at about 4pm, the dogs did not trigger the motion detectors. She was very surprised and puzzled by this when the detective showed her it had been armed in Away mode.

I'm thinking CWW tampered with the keypad, the sensor on the door between the garage and laundry room, and the motion sensors. He wanted to ensure they could enter later without setting off the alarm and without needing to disarm the system with the keypad.

I think BS leaving the system disarmed that afternoon was just a coincidence. IMO, it wouldn't have worked properly that evening even if she had armed it.

Per Scout's explanation above, the last messages shown in photos appear to be:

CWW entering the house Sunday am:
29:
0014-system
6:09a 06/28/15
30:
Opening by user Code 03
31:
Secure system
before arming

BS arming the system Sunday am
32:
0014-system
8:01a 06/28/15
33:
Closing by
user code 03
34:
0013-system
8:01a 06/28/15
35:
Armed in
Away Mode

BS afternoon entry?
36:
[0012?]-system
??? - 06/28/15
37:
indecipherable

That's the last image before a couple of messages from July 1, when the photos were taken. That means a number of messages are not included in this set of discovery docs - from system log 11 down to 1.

I'm curous about those 2 am etc armings. When did the Sievers leave for Conneticut?

 

[Scout]

Per Scout's explanation above, the last messages shown in photos appear to be:

CWW entering the house Sunday am:
29:
0014-system
6:09a 06/28/15
30:
Opening by user Code 03
31:
Secure system
before arming

BS entry Sunday am
32:
0014-system
8:01a 06/28/15
33:
Closing by
user code 03
34:
0013-system
8:01a 06/28/15
35:
Armed in
Away Mode

BS afternoon entry?
36:
[0012?]-system
??? - 06/28/15
37:
indecipherable

That's the last image before a couple of messages from July 1, when the photos were taken.

I'm curous about those 2 am etc armings. When did the Sievers leave for Conneticut?

They left Friday morning. Disarmed the system at 5:31a and left without arming it. BS said they fed the dogs that morning. She didn't have to come and tend to them until Friday afternoon. She thought they had just forgotten to set the alarm in their rush to get to the airport.

 

[Satchie]

Okay, so I think I understand the pattern, there are several images for each event.

Family at home:
Going to bed late Wed: System log 0028 & 0027 1?:11a 06/25/15 - probably used quick set button to Arm in Stay mode
Getting up early Thurs: System log 0026 6:17a 06/25/15 - Disarmed by user code 40 (TS or MS)
Going to bed late Thurs: System log 0025 & 0024 2:02a 06/26/15 - used quick set buttons to Arm in Stay mode
Getting up early Fri: System log 0023 5:51a 06/26/15 - Disarmed by user code 40 (TS or MS)

BS feeding animals:
System log 0021 & 0022 4:18p 06/26/15 - used quick set button to Arm in Stay mode
System log 0018, 0019 & 0020 am 06/27/15 - used code to disarm and to rearm
etc.

 

[No it's not]

Per Scout's explanation above, the last messages shown in photos appear to be:

CWW entering the house Sunday am:
29:
0014-system
6:09a 06/28/15
30:
Opening by user Code 03
31:
Secure system
before arming

BS arming the system Sunday am
32:
0014-system
8:01a 06/28/15
33:
Closing by
user code 03
34:
0013-system
8:01a 06/28/15
35:
Armed in
Away Mode

BS afternoon entry?
36:
[0012?]-system
??? - 06/28/15
37:
indecipherable

That's the last image before a couple of messages from July 1, when the photos were taken. That means a number of messages are not included in this set of discovery docs - from system log 11 down to 1.

I'm curous about those 2 am etc armings. When did the Sievers leave for Conneticut?

Still strange the alarm was set in AWAY mode on Sunday morning (8:01am)! The dogs and the cat could have not entered the house until around 4pm that afternoon, when BS came back to care for the animals. That's 8 hours staying outside?? Something isn't right here. The STAY mode only secures the perimeter of the house. The AWAY mode with engage motion detectors.

Did CWW at some point temper with the alarm system's hard, if that's even possible ??

-Nin

 

[IQuestion]

Quote Originally Posted by creepingskills View Post
IIRC Statewide inspected the system and found no faults. If CWW tampered with the hardware (or software),*** Statewide should have noticed.*** Evidence of tampering with the panel would explain the system failing.

"Should have" are the key words. Statewide should also have noticed and explained how two separate events which occurred nearly two hours apart could be logged as the same number -- #14 on that display.

IMO, CWW was capable of tampering with the system after arriving and disarming it at 6:09a. Whatever he did, he could have undone after the murder.

It's important to remember that Teresa could have easily armed the system as soon as she entered the house. All it would take is to press Stay on the keypad. But she didn't. Why not?

SCOUT...BBM...Well that was eye opening for me. Not only are you smart, you are thinking out of the box...willing to recognize every system has a flaw, and every system can be manipulated!! Better the problem/issue be noted now/here than during a trial.
I have always said, "INCOMPETENCE IS THE TIME HONORED WEAPON OF SABOTAGE."

(side note) One of my client's "new son-in-law" (who was between jobs) was going to install "an incredibly affordable" alarm system for my office. Yep, you guessed it....the son-in-law was a dope smokin' creep, and he was using "stolen equipment."!!! (He didn't get in trouble, because he claimed he bought the equipment from someone else, and the "someone else" was the real thief.....oh brother.)

 

[Satchie]

What I find so unbelieveable is, if CWW was really so smart that he could confuse the alarm system and cause the sensors to completely malfunction, why didn't he think it was important to hide the fact that someone, not BS, had used BS's code to enter at 6 am? That gave the whole fake break-in game away completely. He may as well have used that user code to enter the night of the murder, it was so obvious someone other than BS had it.

Did they really think they could pass off BS as so confused that she would come in at 6 am and return 2 hours later and not be reliable enough to be believed that it wasn't her?

However, it's a red flag that the alarm system log reused the number 0014. That says to me maybe there was an attempt to delete that particular entry from the log/system memory. But it didn't work.

 

[No it's not]

The data downloaded from the keypad by the security company seems to show tampering, in my admittedly unlearned opinion.

#14 on the activity log is Opening by User Code 03 at 6:09a on 6/28/15.

Immediately after that is:
Secure System Before Arming

I looked up a user manual and learned this will display when a window or door is open or when there is motion in an area covered by motion detectors.

In Stay mode the door and window sensors are active but the motion detectors are not. The Sievers used Stay mode even when they were away because the dogs and cat would set off the motion detectors.

The next item on the activity log is BS arming the system at 8:01a on Sunday morning. This should have been #13 (they are in reverse order, more recent having a lower number than earlier). However, it was logged as #14 again, just like the 6:09a Opening.

CWW used to work for a security company. IMO, the reason he disarmed the system at 6:09a was so that he could tamper with it so that it would not work correctly from that point on.

When BS Closed at 8:01a, it armed in Away mode. She would not have done that as she knew the dogs would trigger the motion detectors in Away mode. She specified this in her interview.

Additionally, even though the system was armed in Away mode from 8:01a until BS returned at about 4pm, the dogs did not trigger the motion detectors. She was very surprised and puzzled by this when the detective showed her it had been armed in Away mode.

I'm thinking CWW tampered with the keypad, the sensor on the door between the garage and laundry room, and the motion sensors. He wanted to ensure they could enter later without setting off the alarm and without needing to disarm the system with the keypad.

I think BS leaving the system disarmed that afternoon was just a coincidence. IMO, it wouldn't have worked properly that evening even if she had armed it.

Uh, I completely missed your post, Scout!! Did not mean to be repetitive, sorry. Great thoughts yes! And the question therefore remains, where was TS attacked?? If they had risked letting her coming into the first door leading into the utility room, she could have activated the system. If they attacked her inside the garage, they would have risked noise and the dogs may have started inside the house. That's one reason I believe the dogs were knocked out (syringes?). It almost seems like TS as well was knocked out as well before entering the house. When? Inside the van? The blood spot on the middle console??

-Nin

 

[creepingskills]

Still strange the alarm was set in AWAY mode on Sunday morning (8:01am)! The dogs and the cat could have not entered the house until around 4pm that afternoon, when BS came back to care for the animals. That's 8 hours staying outside?? Something isn't right here. The STAY mode only secures the perimeter of the house. The AWAY mode with engage motion detectors.

Did CWW at some point temper with the alarm system's hard, if that's even possible ??

-Nin

Regarding STAY and AWAY, I'm pretty sure if you arm the system in AWAY mode with, for example, a door or window in the living room unsecured, the system will prompt the user to secure that zone or bypass the warning and arm AWAY. If the user chooses to bypass the unsecured zone warning and arm AWAY, the motion detectors become essentially useless and will not trigger an alarm because of movement, or a door/window opening in the unsecured zone.