The Anthony Family: Who Might be the First to Tell the Truth?

[logicalgirl]

I don't think Jose Baez has been forthright with Casey about her chances. Nor do I think the defense team has shared with Casey all the evidence the prosecution has. Casey believes (her pen-pal letters) that she will be acquitted and soon be basking on the beach in Miami. The one member of the defense team, Andrea Lyon, who I think would have counseled Casey on her chances, is no longer a member of the team. So I think Casey sits in that courtroom with very little knowledge of what's ahead.

I think we got a glimpse of what to expect at trial when Jeff Ashton made his comments about what might have been Caylee's last moments. Andrea Lyon put her arm around Casey and held her in check. Cindy left the courtroom.

When the trial gets underway (after jury selection) the prosecution will present their case, beginning with an opening statement, outlining what they believe happened and what evidence they'll present to support their belief.

For Casey, it will all be downhill from there. Each witness that takes the stand will be presenting evidence of what happened and her guilt. In addition to numerous police, the medical examiner, and forensic experts, many of Casey's former friends will be testifying about Casey's behavior. Casey will have to sit there and listen to Tony, Ricardo, Amy, Annie, Christina, and many others describe her activities, lies, and behavior. Casey's parents and brother will also testify.

Casey is not going to like what she hears. The defense will either have to have a doctor prescribe tranquilizers for Casey and hope that keeps her in check, or someone on the defense team will have to be prepared to muzzle Casey if she reacts emotionally towards any testimony or witnesses. I would think the defense would be preparing Casey for what to expect, but I have doubts about JB and CM's attention to details like this.

Yes, yes, and yes! That trial room door is going to spinning with Cindy rushing out during the evidence, and I have no idea how the defense team is going to be able to muzzle ICA.

 

[Leila]

Okay, I can see what you as saying as having value for me in trying to make sense of this mess, but we need to decide which one it is - because we are talking about opposites.

Is she Cindy the all controlling, or is she Cindy the doormat that everyone took advantage of? Those two are polar opposites. This is way beyond passive/aggressive behavior.

We have one statement from Brother Rick to say Cindy hid this pregnancy - this from a brother she obviously had an abrasive relationship with. Yet pictures of ICA/Caylee's bedroom shows pictures of ultrasounds taken pre-birth hanging on the wall. So do we know for sure the pregnancy was hidden for 7 months or do we know one MYOB statement to a nyah-nyah brother?

Rick seems to be a "tell it like it is" type of person. I don't think the relationship between Rick and Cindy was always abrasive. He invited Cindy and her family to his wedding, and George, Cindy, and Casey made the trip to another state for the wedding, and that indicates a fairly close family relationship.

Rick's initial emails to Cindy were supportive.........more along the line of "I'm sorry to hear Caylee is missing, is there anything I can do to help......you need to question Casey thoroughly and get the truth out of her, as she's obviously not being truthful. Rick was dealing in reality, while Cindy chose to believe in Casey's lies. The email exchange quickly dissolved into a battleground. Rick seemed desperate to jolt Cindy into reality and she was having none of it. I think we witnessed in that email exchange the total breakdown of a once close normal brother-sister relationship.

While we don't know anything about Cindy's other two brothers as they've chosen to remain out of the public spotlight, my guess is that their silence indicates that they too are dealing with reality and want nothing to do with the circus in Orlando.

My guess is that after Rick's wedding, Casey's pregnancy was confirmed and Cindy spent those last two months of Casey's pregnancy drunk with anticipation of a grandchild. There were sonograms, baby showers, and all the normal activity associated with the expected arrival of a new baby in the household.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Yes, yes, and yes! That trial room door is going to spinning with Cindy rushing out during the evidence, and I have no idea how the defense team is going to be able to muzzle ICA.

For someone who says they want to know the "truth", she sure does like to leave the courtroom when "truth" slaps her in the face.

I think that there is a good chance that early on, Cindy will NOT be allowed in the courtroom for the testimony of George, Lee, Mallory, her own mother, and Casey's friends, etc... simply because I believe that Cindy will be called back on the stand to clarify some of the testimony that she had given earlier about certain things.

Which brings me to this question... Could Cindy be confronted with what other people have testified to? For example...

In George's state deposition, he states that Cindy DID see Caylee the morning of June 16th, 2008 before she left for work. On the other hand, Cindy states that she DID NOT see Caylee on the morning of June 16th, 2008.

Let's say that Cindy testifies first and gives her account of the morning of June 16th, 2008... then George testifies... could they call Cindy back up to the stand to ask her why George says that she DID see Caylee that morning? Ask her again, did you see Caylee the morning of June 16th, 2008.

Another example is the whole story of DC in the woods in November. Cindy says she knew nothing about it until AFTER Caylee's remains were found... Lee on the other hand says she DID KNOW before Caylee's remains were found.

Could the State confront Cindy with this?

I would also like George to be confronted with the duct tape on the gas can... Cindy states that George put it on there... George denies it.

I would think that the person would have to first testify, under oath, for the jury to hear before the State could bring up the inconsistencies of their stories... because they could clearly change their testimony on the stand (which will be confronted... if they do). That is why I think that Cindy will have to take the stand again... you've got a lot of x'plainin to do, Cindy.

Hope this makes sense. I'm fighting a serious cold! BOO!

 

[jon_burrows]

Yes, yes, and yes! That trial room door is going to spinning with Cindy rushing out during the evidence, and I have no idea how the defense team is going to be able to muzzle ICA.

Cindy will only get one shot at making a scene so she better make it Oscar-worthy. After that I think JP will give her a warning. If she wants to push for a second scene she'll be banned from the court room. IMO

 

[chefmom]

See, I see it as something much more simple... It is my opinion that Cindy has not only accepted that Casey has killed Caylee... but has also forgiven Casey for killing Caylee.

I think she is so angry and defensive because she believes that everyone should just leave it alone and let her deal with Casey like she always had. I think if Cindy had taken the time to calm down on July 15th, 2008... I believe she would have never, ever called 911. This is the same woman who was removing things from a car that smelled like there had been a damn dead body in the trunk, and washing them. She knew Casey had done something horrible... I don't think she would allow herself to completely associate that smell in Casey's car to Caylee... but she knew something was very wrong... and she NEEDED to see that it wasn't Caylee. I think as soon as Casey admitted that Caylee HAD been missing... she went into SHEER panic and it HIT HER... Caylee was dead. Casey had killed her. I think had she allowed Casey to sit down and calmly talk about it... we would have never heard about Caylee... at least not until SOMEONE... ANYONE... noticed that she was gone... there's no telling how long that would have been and what they would have come up with?

Yes, I do believe Cindy is capable of doing this!

Agree 100%!!!! And, if I might add, I believe that many of the unbelievable actions we have seen from CA are driven by guilt in addition to wanting to help cover for KC. IF we believe that the fight of 6/15 DID INDEED take place, then CA HAS to know that that fight was the "final straw" that pushed KC to kill Caylee. IMO, the fight did occur and enraged KC so bad that she followed through on something that she had thought about for quite some time. And, IMO, CA knows this.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Okay, I can see what you as saying as having value for me in trying to make sense of this mess, but we need to decide which one it is - because we are talking about opposites.

Is she Cindy the all controlling, or is she Cindy the doormat that everyone took advantage of? Those two are polar opposites. This is way beyond passive/aggressive behavior.

We have one statement from Brother Rick to say Cindy hid this pregnancy - this from a brother she obviously had an abrasive relationship with. Yet pictures of ICA/Caylee's bedroom shows pictures of ultrasounds taken pre-birth hanging on the wall. So do we know for sure the pregnancy was hidden for 7 months or do we know one MYOB statement to a nyah-nyah brother?

Well, Cindy told LE that she thought it was a tumor (yet she never took her to a DR?! for this huge tumor?) and that Casey told her she couldn't be pregnant because she was a virgin. These are the words coming out of Cindy's own mouth. Lee says Casey claimed she wasn't pregnant but he knew she was. Rick isn't the only person making these statements. Cindy's co-workers even speak of Cindy denying the pregnancy, that it was some tumor.
Even grandma and her sister speak of Cindy's denial of the pregancy, the money and credit card thefts in their emails!

And you confuse what I mean when I talk about Cindy being controlling.. I have explained what I mean when I speak of Cindy's control. Control through generosity, learned helplessness, creating dependence, manipulation, enmeshment, enabling, denial of facts, no boundries. Cindy's the fixer.. everyone needs her. Casey needed her mother... George needs his wife (dude can't even hold down a job). She controls through rescuing.. through controling circumstances through being everything to everyone except herself. This woman is the very definition of codependency!

 

[Aedrys]

Well, Cindy told LE that she thought it was a tumor (yet she never took her to a DR?! for this huge tumor?) and that Casey told her she couldn't be pregnant because she was a virgin. These are the words coming out of Cindy's own mouth. Lee says Casey claimed she wasn't pregnant but he knew she was. Rick isn't the only person making these statements. Cindy's co-workers even speak of Cindy denying the pregnancy, that it was some tumor.
Even grandma and her sister speak of Cindy's denial of the pregancy, the money and credit card thefts in their emails!

And you confuse what I mean when I talk about Cindy being controlling.. I have explained what I mean when I speak of Cindy's control. Control through generosity, learned helplessness, creating dependence, manipulation, enmeshment, enabling, denial of facts, no boundries. Cindy's the fixer.. everyone needs her. Casey needed her mother... George needs his wife (dude can't even hold down a job). She controls through rescuing.. through controling circumstances through being everything to everyone except herself. This woman is the very definition of codependency!

ITA. I know exactly what you mean. That's how my stepdaughter's great aunt is with her. In her mind, my stepdaughter needs to need her, so the great aunt makes SURE that my stepdaughter is dependant on her and can't live without her (though the second part is not working so much anymore, thank goodness). That is how Cindy exerts her control - her family needs to need her, and she makes SURE they need her and can't live without her. Otherwise, she wouldn't have them still around her right now. I mean, it took the independence of JAIL for Casey not to need Cindy anymore...

 

[Leila]

Yes, yes, and yes! That trial room door is going to spinning with Cindy rushing out during the evidence, and I have no idea how the defense team is going to be able to muzzle ICA.

I'm no expert, but both Cindy and Casey are narcissistic personalities, and Casey is also likely a sociopath.........narcissism is part of a sociopath's disorder.

A narcissistic person has an image of themselves....they see themselves as the most beautiful, the most intelligent, the most perfect person there is. Anyone confronting them and exposing their true self, their faults, their wrong-doing, makes them very angry and the person who exposes them becomes an enemy for life.

With this in mind, Casey is going to be confronted by many and exposed for what she is.........a liar, a thief, a murderer. This is going to make her very angry.

Cindy won't be allowed in the courtroom until after she testifies. But when she is in the courtroom, she's going to find it difficult to keep quiet and seated when she's confronted with the truth.

 

[logicalgirl]

For someone who says they want to know the "truth", she sure does like to leave the courtroom when "truth" slaps her in the face.

I think that there is a good chance that early on, Cindy will NOT be allowed in the courtroom for the testimony of George, Lee, Mallory, her own mother, and Casey's friends, etc... simply because I believe that Cindy will be called back on the stand to clarify some of the testimony that she had given earlier about certain things.

Which brings me to this question... Could Cindy be confronted with what other people have testified to? For example...

In George's state deposition, he states that Cindy DID see Caylee the morning of June 16th, 2008 before she left for work. On the other hand, Cindy states that she DID NOT see Caylee on the morning of June 16th, 2008.

Let's say that Cindy testifies first and gives her account of the morning of June 16th, 2008... then George testifies... could they call Cindy back up to the stand to ask her why George says that she DID see Caylee that morning? Ask her again, did you see Caylee the morning of June 16th, 2008.

Another example is the whole story of DC in the woods in November. Cindy says she knew nothing about it until AFTER Caylee's remains were found... Lee on the other hand says she DID KNOW before Caylee's remains were found.

Could the State confront Cindy with this?

I would also like George to be confronted with the duct tape on the gas can... Cindy states that George put it on there... George denies it.

I would think that the person would have to first testify, under oath, for the jury to hear before the State could bring up the inconsistencies of their stories... because they could clearly change their testimony on the stand (which will be confronted... if they do). That is why I think that Cindy will have to take the stand again... you've got a lot of x'plainin to do, Cindy.

Hope this makes sense. I'm fighting a serious cold! BOO!

All good questions - I guess it is going to depend on whether or not the SA thinks CA's lies help the case against ICA or not. IMO - I don't think they will because the LE had her number from the get go, so whatever stunts she pulled don't really matter - because it is ICA on trial.

 

[Numbers]

All good questions - I guess it is going to depend on whether or not the SA thinks CA's lies help the case against ICA or not. IMO - I don't think they will because the LE had her number from the get go, so whatever stunts she pulled don't really matter - because it is ICA on trial.

I would prefer that the SA not clutter up Casey's trial with the peripheral lies by Cindy. Save them for Cindy's trial.

 

[logicalgirl]

Well, Cindy told LE that she thought it was a tumor (yet she never took her to a DR?! for this huge tumor?) and that Casey told her she couldn't be pregnant because she was a virgin. These are the words coming out of Cindy's own mouth. Lee says Casey claimed she wasn't pregnant but he knew she was. Rick isn't the only person making these statements. Cindy's co-workers even speak of Cindy denying the pregnancy, that it was some tumor.
Even grandma and her sister speak of Cindy's denial of the pregancy, the money and credit card thefts in their emails!

And you confuse what I mean when I talk about Cindy being controlling.. I have explained what I mean when I speak of Cindy's control. Control through generosity, learned helplessness, creating dependence, manipulation, enmeshment, enabling, denial of facts, no boundries. Cindy's the fixer.. everyone needs her. Casey needed her mother... George needs his wife (dude can't even hold down a job). She controls through rescuing.. through controling circumstances through being everything to everyone except herself. This woman is the very definition of codependency!

My apologies - you see i think of being controlled as someone who is so in terror of the consequences they no longer understand they have a choice. To them there is no choice.

George knew he had a choice but he knew he could manipulate Cindy and other women too apparently to support him. Casey certainly knew she had a choice because she obviously took those choices - not only to steal from Cindy, but from her grandmother, her grandfather and Amy. And I'm sure she would have found other marks given the time.

We could simply agree to disagree y'know.

 

[Leila]

For someone who says they want to know the "truth", she sure does like to leave the courtroom when "truth" slaps her in the face.

I think that there is a good chance that early on, Cindy will NOT be allowed in the courtroom for the testimony of George, Lee, Mallory, her own mother, and Casey's friends, etc... simply because I believe that Cindy will be called back on the stand to clarify some of the testimony that she had given earlier about certain things.

Which brings me to this question... Could Cindy be confronted with what other people have testified to? For example...

In George's state deposition, he states that Cindy DID see Caylee the morning of June 16th, 2008 before she left for work. On the other hand, Cindy states that she DID NOT see Caylee on the morning of June 16th, 2008.

Let's say that Cindy testifies first and gives her account of the morning of June 16th, 2008... then George testifies... could they call Cindy back up to the stand to ask her why George says that she DID see Caylee that morning? Ask her again, did you see Caylee the morning of June 16th, 2008.

Another example is the whole story of DC in the woods in November. Cindy says she knew nothing about it until AFTER Caylee's remains were found... Lee on the other hand says she DID KNOW before Caylee's remains were found.

Could the State confront Cindy with this?

I would also like George to be confronted with the duct tape on the gas can... Cindy states that George put it on there... George denies it.

I would think that the person would have to first testify, under oath, for the jury to hear before the State could bring up the inconsistencies of their stories... because they could clearly change their testimony on the stand (which will be confronted... if they do). That is why I think that Cindy will have to take the stand again... you've got a lot of x'plainin to do, Cindy.

Hope this makes sense. I'm fighting a serious cold! BOO!

Cindy will have to remain out of the courtroom until after she testifies. But, the SA can decide he/she wants to call her back to the stand at a later time and she'll have to continue to stay outside the courtroom until the SA is done with her.

So it's all in the hands of the SA and we don't know what the prosecution's strategy is.

If it were me..........I think it makes sense to begin with the events of July 15, 2008 when the Anthonys retrieved Casey's car from the impound yard, found Casey, learned that Caylee was missing, and the three 911 calls. This would mean putting Cindy, George, and Lee on the stand in the beginning.

It might be a good choice to have Cindy, George, and Lee testify only about the events of July 15, 2008, and request that they come back to testify about other issues later in the state's presentation. I think immediately following the family members, it would make sense to put Yuri Malich and the other LE that responded to the Anthony home that night to testify about taking Casey to the Sawgrass Apts, and the next day, her "place of work."

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I really enjoy reading this thread and find I am learning so much from so many of you. Thank you for opening my mind and exposing me to so many of the nuances of the mind. Before I read on these many threads I would have said that each and every member of the Anthony family were simply gaming one another. . . and with no respect or understanding of the word love.

 

[logicalgirl]

I really enjoy reading this thread and find I am learning so much from so many of you. Thank you for opening my mind and exposing me to so many of the nuances of the mind. Before I read on these many threads I would have said that each and every member of the Anthony family were simply gaming one another. . . and with no respect or understanding of the word love.

LOL, well that too, ExpectingUnicorns!

 

[crucibelle]

Yes, yes, and yes! That trial room door is going to spinning with Cindy rushing out during the evidence, and I have no idea how the defense team is going to be able to muzzle ICA.

Do you think the judge would put up with Cindy running in and out of the courtroom and creating a disruption? It seems like he would tell her to either stay in or stay out, but I'm not sure.

 

[Aedrys]

Do you think the judge would put up with Cindy running in and out of the courtroom and creating a disruption? It seems like he would tell her to either stay in or stay out, but I'm not sure.

It's a no win if she's outside either. I'm sure she'll be texting like crazy with whoever she can in there, including Baez. I'm really hoping, once the trial starts, that cellphones and any other electronic devices like ipads or laptops or anything that can connect to the internet is banned from the courtroom. That would drive Cindy up the wall to be outside and not know ANYTHING about what's going on in the courtroom. I don't think there's televisions in the court house for her to watch either. That would make me insanely happy knowing that she's going insane, lol.

 

[Leila]

It's a no win if she's outside either. I'm sure she'll be texting like crazy with whoever she can in there, including Baez. I'm really hoping, once the trial starts, that cellphones and any other electronic devices like ipads or laptops or anything that can connect to the internet is banned from the courtroom. That would drive Cindy up the wall to be outside and not know ANYTHING about what's going on in the courtroom. I don't think there's televisions in the court house for her to watch either. That would make me insanely happy knowing that she's going insane, lol.

I've wondered about local television coverage of the trial. For the past two plus years we've seen several local Orlando television stations stream live coverage of the hearings. I would imagine that at least one local television station will have full trial coverage.

Here's the scenario...........the prosecution has Cindy, George, and Lee testify within the first few days of the trial. I don't know the legal terminology for this, but lets say the prosecution requests that Cindy, George, and Lee be held for further testifying later in the prosecution's presentation of the case. This would mean that the Anthonys - Cindy, George, and Lee cannot be in the courtroom until the prosecution releases them from further testimony.

What's to stop the Anthonys from viewing the trial from their home in the comfort of their own living room? In a high profile case like this that likely to be televised, I can't see how anyone could be prevented from viewing the entire trial, even if they're a witness that's being prevented from being in the courtroom during the trial until they've completed testifying.

 

[Snaz]

I've wondered about local television coverage of the trial. For the past two plus years we've seen several local Orlando television stations stream live coverage of the hearings. I would imagine that at least one local television station will have full trial coverage.

Here's the scenario...........the prosecution has Cindy, George, and Lee testify within the first few days of the trial. I don't know the legal terminology for this, but lets say the prosecution requests that Cindy, George, and Lee be held for further testifying later in the prosecution's presentation of the case. This would mean that the Anthonys - Cindy, George, and Lee cannot be in the courtroom until the prosecution releases them from further testimony.

What's to stop the Anthonys from viewing the trial from their home in the comfort of their own living room? In a high profile case like this that likely to be televised, I can't see how anyone could be prevented from viewing the entire trial, even if they're a witness that's being prevented from being in the courtroom during the trial until they've completed testifying.

I don't know whether or not any of the local tv stations will televise the trial, but I did hear Vinnie Politano from truTV say they would be covering the trial live.

My personal opinion is that no local stations will cover the trial live. But of course, I have not heard anything one way or the other.

JMO

 

[countzero]

CA will have to brush up and get those acting skills of hers honed in tight by the time this trial begins. For her to proclaim during a court hearing that she believes Caylee is still alive and writing the same to ICA in letters, she shouldn't be upset listening to testimony presented during ICA's murder trial. Unless CA has all of a sudden developed empathy for another human being; which she won't have.

CA will be animated in her body language like she has during past hearings. She, GA and LA will be throughly coached for their testimony just like she was during the 911 tape hearing. We will see a heavier, dowdy looking woman or we will see a woman trying to appear to be put together. Hair, makeup and clothing style right on the mark.

CA crack .... nope. It's funny, 484 votes and ol' Cynthia Marie Anthony doesn't have a single one. Kinda/sorta makes me want to at least give her hope by giving her that one single vote so she doesn't end up as a ZERO. (pun well intended) Nope, not gonna do it.

 

[Leila]

I don't know whether or not any of the local tv stations will televise the trial, but I did hear Vinnie Politano from truTV say they would be covering the trial live.

My personal opinion is that no local stations will cover the trial live. But of course, I have not heard anything one way or the other.

JMO

I'm sure TruTV will be covering the trial live. I've followed a number of trials, and with some of the high profile cases, local television stations have provided live-streaming coverage for those who are out of the area.

One trial that I was intensely following was the Darren Mack trial (wealthly Reno, Nevada businessman accused of murdering his wife and shooting their divorce judge). The trial was moved to Las Vegas and local television provided live streaming of the trial. Now, I don't know if that same television station broadcast the trial live to local customers.

But, in this case, I'm sure at least one or more local Orlando television stations will provide live streaming due to the national interest in this case. In that case, if the Anthonys are kept out of the courtroom because they're witnesses who haven't completed testifying, they could simply watch the trial live on their home computers along with everyone else who's following the case.