The A's..In Denial or Covering Up the Crime?

[Janis396]

I think they were in denial early on and were not intentionally destroying evidence or attempting to protect Casey. I think Cindy's first two 911 calls were attempts to get control over Casey, a long time power struggle with those two. The third call is pure raw emotion and fear, and a moment of honesty as she partially processes that that really is the smell of death in the car.

I *know* he was a cop and she is a nurse and they recogonize the smell on a logical level, but I do honestly believe they couldn't/wouldn't accept it at that point. Keep in mind the tow yard owner recogonized the smell, compared it to the suicide victim, yet pulled the garbage bag out and tossed it as a possible explanation, let the vehicle leave the yard, didn't call the police despite the owner of said vehicle saying they had a family drama ongoing and hadn't seen their granddaughter. It didn't completely click for him until he saw the news in the morning and then went dumpster hopping trying to retrieve the evidence. The police did not impound the car immediately. They left witnesses in the garage with it smelling like that while it they questioned other witnesses. George and Cindy are not the only ones that did not instantly treat that car as a crime scene.

I do think they are now not cooperating with investigators, and are not willingly going to help execute Casey. Not sure I believe that is for Casey, and not for their own benefit/guilt/perception. Crazy didn't spontaneously combust in this family the evening of July 15th. But I don't think George knew Caylee was dead on the 24th, I don't believe he saw the body, I don't think they brought the car home decided to knowingly clean a crime scene and then call the police with no logicial story in place, with evidence still in place (why would you give the police a car that smells like a body if you are covering for Casey? why call the police? why tell them she is a liar and you think she is withholding info?).

I do think Cindy would knowingly destroy evidence now, after the fact. If she had the opportunity to do things differently I think she wouldn't have told Casey to get out of the house, and I think she would not have called 911 when she did.

But didn't Cindy tell Amy (on that drive to TonE's apt on July 15th) that she and George feared it was either Casey or Caylee in the trunk of the car when they went to the towyard, because of the smell?

 

[Leila]

We've all asked why doesn't someone ask Cindy, George, and Lee, the hardball questions like, "there's decomposition in the trunk of the car, and if it's not Caylee, who's body was in that trunk?"

When it comes to trial, Cindy, George, and Lee are all going to have to take the witness stand. The hardball questions will be asked. They'll be asked about everything they did between June 1st and present. If they aren't truthful, their testimony can be refuted. If Cindy says she was in contact with Casey through cell phone calls and text messages every day, the telephone records with either refute that or back it up.

There will be many many other witnesses, witnesses who have no personal stake in the outcome of the trial, who will testify, including forensic experts. The truth WILL come out, with or without Cindy, George, and Lee.

 

[gardenhart]

I doubt very much that Cindy's actions involve anything close to protecting Casey. I believe they have everything to do with making certain that HER image is protected at any cost. As she continues to act out and say outrageous things, the result of the trial will have one of 2 outcomes: Casey is innocent (Cindy is vindicated and Casey will be back into the family fold, held forever to Cindy's making sure Casey knows she owes her. Further, Casey's attempt to escape Cindy's clutches will have been thwarted and Cindy wins.) Casey is found guilty (Cindy is left being a victim of the system who just wouldn't listen to her about how her daughter was innocent and everything that LE presented was a lie meant to slander her and her family. HER. Cindy as victim is a role she "absolutely from day one" has loved.

Cindy doesn't lose either way. It was never about Caylee. Don't we all agree that Cindy has made this more about HER than Caylee? How she is suffering. How she can't eat, sleep, etc. How HER life has been disrupted. I find it quite telling that Casey refuses her visits.

And that's from the get go. Go back and see if you can find the transcript of Cindy's appearance on GvS when she spent the first several minutes in a monologue on how exhausted she was and then, at the first harmless question, accused Greta of trying to make her pass out to sensationalize the story.

I've been very suspicious of Cindy from the first time I saw her on TV. Something was obviously not right and she appeared to be 1. completely self centered and 2. lying about something, although I didn't know what at that point.

I also saw her in another early appearance doing what looked like fake crying to me - all the right noises but bone dry eyes.

Why wouldn't she be really crying after learning her granddaughter was missing for a month? Why would she be whining about how tired she was on and on for several minutes and throwing hissy fits when her granddaughter was who knows where?

Maybe she did all her geniune grieving while she was busy destroying evidence and sneaking money out of her daughter's wallet.

One more thing - that last 911 call so many say show she was geniunely distressed. I think she sounded more angry than anything. I think she was furious that she had called twice before, upping the ante each time, and the police still hadn't arrived.

I can't help, being the cynic I am, but think that if there was a cover up from the get go, it could very well have been the plan to hide the disappearance for a month to allow plenty of time for evidence to dwindle and trails to go cold, dawdle at picking up the car, clean up as much as you could in the car and then make a series of 911 calls to make it appear you were only discovering the disappearance that day.

 

[Jolynna]

I think they were in denial early on and were not intentionally destroying evidence or attempting to protect Casey. I think Cindy's first two 911 calls were attempts to get control over Casey, a long time power struggle with those two. The third call is pure raw emotion and fear, and a moment of honesty as she partially processes that that really is the smell of death in the car.

I *know* he was a cop and she is a nurse and they recogonize the smell on a logical level, but I do honestly believe they couldn't/wouldn't accept it at that point. Keep in mind the tow yard owner recogonized the smell, compared it to the suicide victim, yet pulled the garbage bag out and tossed it as a possible explanation, let the vehicle leave the yard, didn't call the police despite the owner of said vehicle saying they had a family drama ongoing and hadn't seen their granddaughter. It didn't completely click for him until he saw the news in the morning and then went dumpster hopping trying to retrieve the evidence. The police did not impound the car immediately. They left witnesses in the garage with it smelling like that while it they questioned other witnesses. George and Cindy are not the only ones that did not instantly treat that car as a crime scene.

I do think they are now not cooperating with investigators, and are not willingly going to help execute Casey. Not sure I believe that is for Casey, and not for their own benefit/guilt/perception. Crazy didn't spontaneously combust in this family the evening of July 15th. But I don't think George knew Caylee was dead on the 24th, I don't believe he saw the body, I don't think they brought the car home decided to knowingly clean a crime scene and then call the police with no logicial story in place, with evidence still in place (why would you give the police a car that smells like a body if you are covering for Casey? why call the police? why tell them she is a liar and you think she is withholding info?).

I do think Cindy would knowingly destroy evidence now, after the fact. If she had the opportunity to do things differently I think she wouldn't have told Casey to get out of the house, and I think she would not have called 911 when she did.

:clap::clap::clap: Great post. I agree with every word.

 

[debs]

*snipped* But I don't think George knew Caylee was dead on the 24th, I don't believe he saw the body, I don't think they brought the car home decided to knowingly clean a crime scene and then call the police with no logicial story in place, with evidence still in place (why would you give the police a car that smells like a body if you are covering for Casey? why call the police? why tell them she is a liar and you think she is withholding info?).

I do think Cindy would knowingly destroy evidence now, after the fact. If she had the opportunity to do things differently I think she wouldn't have told Casey to get out of the house, and I think she would not have called 911 when she did.

Cindy called the police initially to prove to Casey she meant business. The third call about the smell of a dead body in the damn car was pure panic...which in between making the call and the police arriving, she got control over. It would not do to let them know so much about her family. It was frankly a mistake that Cindy lost control over, as was well demonstrated when in that phone call at jail, Casey said to her mother "You don't know what my INVOLVEMENT is, mom?" Casey was finally able to point out her mother's "huge mistake" like so many times Casey has had to hear about hers. If Cindy hadn't made that third call, I contend this entire family would have stood together with the story that Caylee had been adopted by a family. The spin on that would have been quite convoluted, as we can see by the manner in which they continue to spin the story they've been forced to front.

Caylee, may you rest in peace. You were never so loved as much as when strangers have sought to find you.

 

[aprilshowers]

Now I know C & G are who they are ... and are reacting their way, BUT:

If this happened to me, and even if I didn't want to admit my daughter had killed my grandchild, I would still be realizing that just maybe she did, and picturing how my grandchild was crying or hurting, and I would break down many times.

Maybe they have, we don't know ... but I would search and search and search, but along with searching, I would still have to admit, that just maybe she's gone. I'd cooperate with TES and LE, because I'd NEED to know the truth, one way or the other. I just don't see how long they can keep this up.

JMO

 

[twomanywords]

Cover-up... I decided that at the very first bond hearing.

I will never forget the look in Cindy's eyes when she looked at Casey and said "There is no evidence."

All of the clues about cleaning up for Casey by her parents must be why she always STRUTTED and had tons of energy while being patted down in jail and walking etc. She looked like she was going to aerobics class!
If my son was gone for more than a day, my body language would be hunched over as if in pain and I wouldn't be smiling for the cameras!
There was some reason she was so confident and cocky in her mannerisms...family cleaned up her messes....:behindbar

 

[rosepetal1065]

My vote: covering up. Like so many others here ITA their actions have gone beyond denial. The excuses, the far out reasoning and just plain stupid theories need to stop but I know they never will. I wonder when GA former LE, lost his "jewels"?Is it really more important to stick together than standing up for what's right? They have become a couple of broken robots. JMO

 

[mom4321]

Good point...my hinky meter has always gone off regarding the stolen gas cans and the police report. I somehow think it ties in to the scheme George was already cooking when he discovered Caylee's body in the trunk that day (which is my other suspicion).. Did they (GA and Casey) re-bury the body together that day? Did he use the gas to clean the trunk that day? And then report the gas cans stolen so he would not be connected to gasoline being found in the trunk? The gasoline fumes discussed in the FBI report could be from then, and then of course re-cleaned by George again on the night he got the car back from impound because it still smelled. They probably plotted to leave the car somewhere after a few days so they could say it was stolen and SOMEONE ELSE put a body in it. (just like they are saying now)

could casey and george have taken the body and buried it somewhere else the day her phone was off for 12 hours ? He could have taken her body in his car and he knew enough to tell her to leave her phone and he probably didnt take his either . Have they taken cadaver dogs to the parent vehicles ? if not to late now I am sure george " cleaned " them.
Did Le ever ask george if he cleaned the car ? and if so what he used or are they just hopeing he will offer the info ?

 

[enjay]

Tracy1 ~ terrific post. I believe you're right on target.

 

[Sassynic]

I say they covered up a crime, too. I have tried and tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, as they are grieving grandparents. But I can't get past so much of the stuff they have done.
1. George and Cindy and Lee KNEW that that car had a dead body in it when it was brought home. They KNEW it. No pizza story, no running over an animal. They all knew it was Caylee when she would not produce her. Thus, the statement made by Cindy to casey, "What have you done?"
2. I think when that became known they went into protect Casey mode.
3. Cindy would not cooperate with Yuri early on. Remember when he asked where the JCPenny statements were and she told him that there was nothing pertinent in the statements?
4. I am convinced, totally, that Lee deleted the stuff on her computer. He took nearly 3 hours picking it up from tony's. A 20 minute drive.
5. He KNEW that the cops wanted to get Casey's stuff from there. He went to get it (I am sure on orders from Casey) when the cops took Casey elsewhere and then acted dumb when they asked him why he didn't just let the cops get it.
6. Cindy said to the 911 dispatcher that her daughter had been missing for a month. She had Lee trying to call her and go find her (he almost found her at that bar she was at). But when on the stand in the bond hearing she claims that she spoke or texted with casey every single day.
7. I still think the story about the gas cans etc. is a total lie. There was something too weird about it.
8. I think George helped clean that trunk. It had far more evidence of decomposition before they cleaned it. George KNEW that gasoline would degrade much of the DNA.
9. The stories told about Cayee's father are absurd. First he died, then he had another family, then he and Casey sat down and discussed how he wouldn't be a part of Caylee's life. Cindy has always gotten defensive about this subject when questioned. She just dismisses the question.
10. Cindy and George keep on insisting that Casey left Caylee with a babysitter but they KNOW she had no reason for a babysitter as she had never worked. (and it continues to baffle me that NOT ONE interviewer has dared confront her on that subject!?!?)
11. Cindy removed and washed the jeans. She knew they smelled like a dead body and she helped clean that car.

I know there are more instances where they tampered with evidence or outright lied. But my head is swimming!

As always, IMO

Wow good points!!! I too agree that they are in denial about covering it up. They know much more than they will ever admit to the public...at least until trial.

 

[Sassynic]

I think they're in denial. I don't understand it, because of the evidence, but that's what I think. (I am surprised many on the poll think they are involved).

If my son went missing and my parents smelled decomp in my car, you better believe they would be searching for a body and they would also have me locked in jail without paying for any of my bond.

The fact that the Anthonys smelled decomp, knows KC lies about everything, but yet they are not fully cooperating with LE and they won't help TES tells me they are trying to cover for KC.

They aren't in denial about what happened to Caylee because they know as well as most of us that Caylee is dead and Casey is suspect. Any denial they are showing is denial of trying to help KC get out of this mess.

JMO.

 

[Sassynic]

Something that I find strange about all of this....

Both CA and GA behave as if KC is a minor. That the police have to keep them abreast of their investigation, when in reality the police need to keep KC abreast of what is going on until she lawyered up (in the beginning). In all these interviews and discussions CA acts like it is her child that has been kidnapped. It's all so weird. LE doesn't have to tell the A anything. LE doesn't have to put up with their bs.

Does anyone else see this or feel this? The treatment of KC is as if she is a child. The A act as if LE owes them explanations and updates when legally, LE has to tell the parents, which would be KC and the mystery father. Now, if Klees Dad showed up then LE would keep him up to speed.

I don't get this. KC is an adult. Why does she need to send messages to her parents? Does she need a note to get out of PE? I don't understand the dynamics of this family. GA and CA are NOT Klees parents but they sure act like it.

Oh, I'm not verbalizing this very well. Sorry.

Dazed and Confused,
BeagleMom

My theory is that they still see KC like a child since she is so irresponsible with her life from money to jobs to her sexual behavior. Since they see her like a child, they treat her like a child and somewhere along there they forgot that she is legally an adult and the law doesn't give them rights that they would get if KC really was a minor.

 

[Sassynic]

this might blow the socks of some people and what they think
but here is my theory

initially, they grandparents were not involved with any of it.

but they were told the truth by KC and they actually helped get rid of the body

they didnt just cover up the crime, they were involved in the burial

and now they are left with just trying to save their daughter



YIKES

this is just my opinion :furious:

That theory goes along with why they are only focussing on searching for a "live" Caylee and sending everyone on wild goose chases around the world rather than help TES find Caylee's body. That makes sense. Still not sure if I believe the Anthonys had any hand in actually hiding Caylee's body, but I can see where that line of thinking can come from.

 

[Sassynic]

......and wouldn't we all love to know what LE found erased?
(Yeah, we gotta be patient, I know, I know....sure is hard)

I want to do Computer Forensics one day but until I can go back to school I'm very ignorant....

Can LE tell what date and time things were "deleted"? If so, they may be able to figure out who did the covering up whether Lee, as in one theory, or KC.

 

[impatientredhead]

Cindy called the police initially to prove to Casey she meant business. The third call about the smell of a dead body in the damn car was pure panic...which in between making the call and the police arriving, she got control over. It would not do to let them know so much about her family. It was frankly a mistake that Cindy lost control over, as was well demonstrated when in that phone call at jail, Casey said to her mother "You don't know what my INVOLVEMENT is, mom?" Casey was finally able to point out her mother's "huge mistake" like so many times Casey has had to hear about hers. If Cindy hadn't made that third call, I contend this entire family would have stood together with the story that Caylee had been adopted by a family. The spin on that would have been quite convoluted, as we can see by the manner in which they continue to spin the story they've been forced to front.

Caylee, may you rest in peace. You were never so loved as much as when strangers have sought to find you.

I agree that she regained control but not that evening, and I agree that she would not call in hindsight, but the police arrive at the house while the 3rd call is still happening. There was no in between the panicked call and the arrival.

 

[lizzysf]

could casey and george have taken the body and buried it somewhere else the day her phone was off for 12 hours ? He could have taken her body in his car and he knew enough to tell her to leave her phone and he probably didnt take his either . Have they taken cadaver dogs to the parent vehicles ? if not to late now I am sure george " cleaned " them.
Did Le ever ask george if he cleaned the car ? and if so what he used or are they just hoping he will offer the info ?

Yeah, I just don't know..but I really think George knew earlier than Cindy. Cindy figured it out after the 911 call was made..I feel like her call was genuine. Remember on the phone when the operator was saying, mam, listen to me...and Cindy says "Caylee has been taken" or something like that to someone at the house? It was obviously George just coming in...because Lee and Casey were already there and knew..it sounded like he just got there and she was telling him what was going on. I think this is when she was told by George what was up, having had time to think about what to do about the situation, he probably told them they would blame Casey so they had better stick up for her. And they flew into action together for Casey before the cops began their involvement. Remember her jailhouse call when she states "the cops already said they would blame me for everything if they can't find her" ?? I bet those words were actually spoken by George at the house, and not the cops at all.

 

[lizzysf]

I agree that she regained control but not that evening, and I agree that she would not call in hindsight, but the police arrive at the house while the 3rd call is still happening. There was no in between the panicked call and the arrival.

That was Casey who told the 911 operator that the cops were there...maybe they weren't and she wanted off the phone...maybe George (who just got there in he middle of all this) was telling her to get off the phone so they could having a quick family meeting before the cops arrived. Did anyone check the time of the phonecall and the documented time of the 1st cops actual arrival time?

 

[impatientredhead]

That was Casey who told the 911 operator that the cops were there...maybe they weren't and she wanted off the phone...maybe George (who just got there in he middle of all this) was telling her to get off the phone so they could having a quick family meeting before the cops arrived. Did anyone check the time of the phonecall and the documented time of the 1st cops actual arrival time?

The officer arriving notifies dispatch when they get there, but you can hear them arriving in the recording of the call.

 

[karenmamo]

I want to do Computer Forensics one day but until I can go back to school I'm very ignorant....

Can LE tell what date and time things were "deleted"? If so, they may be able to figure out who did the covering up whether Lee, as in one theory, or KC.

Sassy, I think they already know. Who had access at that time? TonyL or Lee. JMO