The Best Untainted Evidence-The Ransom Letter

[robotdog]

I think they sent Burke away because they already filled their quota of guests at a kidnapping. lol

Oh yes, you have to wonder what Fleet & Burke talked about on that trip over to the house.

that is when the wheels started turning in fleet's head

and as the events unfolded - it became quite clear to Fleet

 

[LI_Mom]

that is when the wheels started turning in fleet's head

and as the events unfolded - it became quite clear to Fleet

IIRC, everything was fine between Fleet & the Ramsey people until AFTER the Ramseys did that ridiculous CNN interview. That's when things went bad... real bad.

 

[robotdog]

IIRC, everything was fine between Fleet & the Ramsey people until AFTER the Ramseys did that ridiculous CNN interview. That's when things went bad... real bad.

can you point me in the direction of which interview that was or can you tell me the one highlight of that drama ?

drama lol

 

[LI_Mom]

can you point me in the direction of which interview that was or can you tell me the one highlight of that drama ?

drama lol

This was in (at least) one of the books... probably the Ramsey's...


I'm referring to the Larry King Live interview in Atlanta.... 4 months after JB's death.

Fleet was AGAINST the Ramseys doing this TV interview because there was a LOT of negative publicity since the police were still waiting to interview them separately.

Fleet told them it was a BAD IDEA & didn't look good.

I believe it ended up with physical violence.... pushing & kicking Fleet out of the house where he was staying in Atlanta.

That's when Fleet started to feel something was very wrong with the whole situation.

 

[TinaD]

I reckon Fleet was suspicious earlier - wasn't he taking notes on the morning of the "disappearance"?

 

[RTC]

My Gosh,I have been following this case forever. I was one of the few that always suspected JR. I actually think he suffocated JBR with his hand/body by accident. hence the huge coverup and overkill. I think he even fooled PR, even though she might have had a few clues.
I think the best thing for JR is that PR was the primary suspect from the beginning and then after the murder she needed him for self protection. some of my reasoning is based on:
Incest is more common than people want to admit.
1)PR was consantly taking JBR to doctor because she really cared and didnt know why JBR was having so many female /potty issues.
2)JR blue fibers in crotch area, along with wrong size panties
3) his demeanor of jumping on anything that might stick and point away from family involvement, even when it made no sense.
4) if PR was the culprit why would she use her own stuff for the staging? She seemed brighter than that. All the material used in the garrote probably came from PR paint tote. The red fibers in the rope could have been there for a while. Seems PR fancied that red sweater.
5) His background and training should have lent him to be the lead on the 911 call, yet he let PR do what ever she wanted even inviting friends over.
6) his apathy towards BR, letting him go with FW, again after all his LM training re kidnapping etc.
7)The letter was so PR, why would she incriminate herself so badly. The misspelling of the words in RN. JR had a few other documents where he had problems with words that had two "s"
8) any kidnapper would have asked for more ransome $
but JR knew how much liquid money he had in th bank. Just because he was worth 6 million didnt mean he had access to that cash. Im curious to know what his actual bank account at that time had. it was also staging just in case he was going to pull out the cash.
9) lack of cell phone records for his phone.PR could have never pulled that off
10) his entire behavior on finding JBR and everything there after.
He si the Mastermind on everything.

 

[BBB167893]

Welcome RTC.

 

[RTC]

My Gosh,I have been following this case forever. I was one of the few that always suspected JR. I actually think he suffocated JBR with his hand/body by accident. hence the huge coverup and overkill. I think he even fooled PR, even though she might have had a few clues.
I think the best thing for JR is that PR was the primary suspect from the beginning and then after the murder she needed him for self protection. some of my reasoning is based on:
Incest is more common than people want to admit.
1)PR was consantly taking JBR to doctor because she really cared and didnt know why JBR was having so many female /potty issues.
2)JR blue fibers in crotch area, along with wrong size panties
3) his demeanor of jumping on anything that might stick and point away from family involvement, even when it made no sense.
4) if PR was the culprit why would she use her own stuff for the staging? She seemed brighter than that. All the material used in the garrote probably came from PR paint tote. The red fibers in the rope could have been there for a while. Seems PR fancied that red sweater.
5) His background and training should have lent him to be the lead on the 911 call, yet he let PR do what ever she wanted even inviting friends over.
6) his apathy towards BR, letting him go with FW, again after all his LM training re kidnapping etc.
7)The letter was so PR, why would she incriminate herself so badly. The misspelling of the words in RN. JR had a few other documents where he had problems with words that had two "s"
8) any kidnapper would have asked for more ransome $
but JR knew how much liquid money he had in th bank. Just because he was worth 6 million didnt mean he had access to that cash. Im curious to know what his actual bank account at that time had. it was also staging just in case he was going to pull out the cash.
9) lack of cell phone records for his phone.PR could have never pulled that off
10) his entire behavior on finding JBR and everything there after.
He si the Mastermind on everything.

 

[angelwngs]

May 3, 1997
snip~"Police handwriting analysts have concluded John Ramsey did not write the note. They are waiting for Patsy Ramsey to supply a fifth handwriting sample.
"Listen carefully,'' begins the note, according to the sources.
It purports to come from members of "a small foreign faction'' and concludes with the cryptic signoff "Victory, SBTC.''
"SBTC'' is a reference to the defunct Subic Bay Training Center at the U.S. naval base in the Philippines, where John Ramsey served from March 1968 through November 1969, investigators believe.
"We respect your business but not the country it serves,'' the note says.
John Ramsey is president of Boulder-based Access Graphics, a computer software distributorship which grossed more than $1 billion in 1996.
The note instructs Ramsey to take an attache -- with an accent over the "e'' -- to a bank and collect $118,000 in cash, then await further instructions later in the morning for the exchange of his money and his daughter.
Sources have said the $118,000 nearly matches a bonus Ramsey received from Access Graphics in February 1996.
Failure to follow the plans strictly, the letter warns, would result in the beheading of JonBenet.
Ramsey was told not to talk to the FBI or police, according to sources, and was warned not to wear any electronic monitoring devices when the time came to retrieve JonBenet.
"If you talk to a stray dog, you die,'' the note says.
It cautions Ramsey not to attempt to outsmart the note's author.
"Don't try to grow a brain, John,'' it reads.
The note, which misspells the words "possession'' and "business'' -- deliberately, investigators theorize, because more difficult words are spelled correctly -- tells Ramsey that trading the money for his daughter's life will be a physical ordeal, cautioning him, "We advise you to be well-rested.''~snip
More at link:
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0503jon.htm

 

[LI_Mom]

I reckon Fleet was suspicious earlier - wasn't he taking notes on the morning of the "disappearance"?

Notes? That doesn't ring a bell at all... maybe someone else remembers??

 

[robotdog]

Notes? That doesn't ring a bell at all... maybe someone else remembers??

it is true

i think one of the ramseys said it in a interview

i just read it in the past week

 

[LI_Mom]

May 3, 1997

"We respect your business but not the country it serves,'' the note says.
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0503jon.htm

This line always made me wonder....


this small foreign factions RESPECTS John's business but NOT the USA....

ok, so why kidnap HIS kid?

JB is such a well known American icon that this will punish the COUNTRY????

Why wouldn't they target someone connected to the government they don't respect but pick on someone they DO respect????


MAKES NO SENSE! It's totally illogical. Even by small foreign faction standards.

 

[LI_Mom]

it is true

i think one of the ramseys said it in a interview

i just read it in the past week

Ok, I'm looking...

I find references to this on Topix.,, but not any actual interview with a Ramseys stating this.


I'd like to know WHICH Ramsey said it & in what context he was allegedly taking notes.

Was John/LE talking about things that must be done to secure the ransom & calls he needed to make?


From what we heard, Patsy wasn't even in the room with the men... wasn't she sitting with the women.... falling apart & out of it? How would she know what Fleet or anyone else was doing???

 

[angelwngs]

This line always made me wonder....


this small foreign factions RESPECTS John's business but NOT the USA....

ok, so why kidnap HIS kid?

JB is such a well known American icon that this will punish the COUNTRY????

Why wouldn't they target someone connected to the government they don't respect but pick on someone they DO respect????


MAKES NO SENSE! It's totally illogical. Even by small foreign faction standards.

John's business also had dealings with countries overseas. This is why I questioned the wording of this line as possibly meaning a country other than the USA.

 

[LI_Mom]

John's business also had dealings with countries overseas. This is why I questioned the wording of this line as possibly meaning a country other than the USA.

Makes more sense if they targeted a little girl overseas in the right country IF they wanted them to stop doing business with America.

Why target poor John, who they respect?

 

[angelwngs]

Makes more sense if they targeted a little girl overseas in the right country IF they wanted them to stop doing business with America.

Why target poor John, who they respect?

LOL.

The only consistancies are all of the inconsistancies which add up to NUTZ!

So much so that the crime is still unsolved and it pizzes me off!


:behindbar Justice for JonBenet.

 

[Jane Osa]

I know how you feel angelwngs - :cry:

One way or another - Burke is another clue - because he was lied about & shuffled off the scene.

I read somewhere - a forum, I'm sure - that a friend of B's said he didn't remember anything from that night or morning....she/he said that they didn't ask him about it but, somehow it just came out during some conversation (which led the poster to believe he 'meant' it) - sure he did mean it - but, aren't people's rationalizations strange? So, guess he has blessed amnesia at this point - can't blame him (hope he's innocent!).

 

[txsvicki]

I took four years of Spanish way back when in high school and then lived in Argentina for over four years. I had fairly good formal Spanish from the high school courses but I learned idiomatic Spanish from living in Argentina.

As I discovered yesterday, reviving my Spanish started to mess with my English grammar, so yes, I think someone taking a class might well encounter the same difficulties. All of a sudden, I wasn't just using English any more, I was thinking about noun, adverb and verb placement. It was like concentrating on my feet when walking down a staircase! I could barely do it, even though I'm a native English speaker.

I could well be wrong. I'm certainly no expert. But there is something about that note that makes me think of someone who is no longer thinking 100% in English composing it.

I don't think the note is a rambling one like some people say. The form of it is written like an essay paper should be since it has the introduction , a thesis statement including the purpose, reason, and what will happen. Then it goes on to explain the warnings not being followed and what will happen to Jon Benet in a couple of paragraphs and even closes with a final short explanation of the intent or thesis of the letter. Some of the words "such as, "and hence" are even what is supposed to be including in writings. I think the note is very structured, but some mistakes made.

 

[Grainne Dhu]

Patsy knew French, she may have studied Spanish as well, she lived in the South and French and Spanish have common roots.

Yes, similar enough that someone fluent in one of those languages can pick up the other quickly. They are both ornate, flowing languages as well, much more so than English.

That's an interesting bit of information.

 

[Chrishope]

GrainneDhu

Thanks for the examples on Spanish to English. Quite itneresting.

I have no doubts about your Spanish, and you may well be right. OTOH, it never really struck me (or most people as far as I can tell) that the note must have been written by someone who was thinking in another language and translating to English.

As with most everything in this case - maybe, maybe not.